Comments on: Pluggo Technology Moves to Max for Live http://cycling74.com/2009/05/14/pluggo-technology-moves-to-max-for-live/ Tools for Media Tue, 21 Feb 2012 23:16:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: OHWELL http://cycling74.com/2009/05/14/pluggo-technology-moves-to-max-for-live/comment-page-1/#comment-18520 OHWELL Sat, 12 Nov 2011 18:27:03 +0000 http://veryhandso.me/?p=2083#comment-18520 Wow. I was going to buy Max 6 because I wanted to be able to design my synthesizers to use in the DAW of my choice. I HATE ABLETON WITH A PASSION! I honestly think this is a horrible choice and Cycling 74 is going to lose a ton of loyal users. Native Instruments is gonna get a lot more business. The Upside to this is that I can probably find Pluggo somewhere for free .... ^_^ Wow. I was going to buy Max 6 because I wanted to be able to design my synthesizers to use in the DAW of my choice. I HATE ABLETON WITH A PASSION! I honestly think this is a horrible choice and Cycling 74 is going to lose a ton of loyal users. Native Instruments is gonna get a lot more business. The Upside to this is that I can probably find Pluggo somewhere for free …. ^_^

]]> By: MiroslavH http://cycling74.com/2009/05/14/pluggo-technology-moves-to-max-for-live/comment-page-1/#comment-17659 MiroslavH Sat, 22 Oct 2011 08:48:13 +0000 http://veryhandso.me/?p=2083#comment-17659 Hello all: me to, I don't want buy Ableton, a product for a certain type of music, that I don't want to do. I like Hipno, and I want to see this product alive. I think it is easier to update than to develop this product, so it is not so hard to update it. I am a paying customer, who must keep old machines and old DAW to make it work. I think that to have abandoned this product is a betrayal of those who gave you money, it's something dishonest. I'm sure the question lies in the problems between your two companies and not the lack of public interest. If Cycling74 applied a bad trade policy, well, send in the garbage of history, and choose another distributor! Or, offer these products to enthusiasts who will update them for free !!!!! Hello all: me to, I don’t want buy Ableton, a product for a certain type of music, that I don’t want to do. I like Hipno, and I want to see this product alive. I think it is easier to update than to develop this product, so it is not so hard to update it.

I am a paying customer, who must keep old machines and old DAW to make it work. I think that to have abandoned this product is a betrayal of those who gave you money, it’s something dishonest. I’m sure the question lies in the problems between your two companies and not the lack of public interest. If Cycling74 applied a bad trade policy, well, send in the garbage of history, and choose another distributor! Or, offer these products to enthusiasts who will update them for free !!!!!

]]> By: Sandy Nordahl http://cycling74.com/2009/05/14/pluggo-technology-moves-to-max-for-live/comment-page-1/#comment-14030 Sandy Nordahl Sat, 18 Jun 2011 02:55:53 +0000 http://veryhandso.me/?p=2083#comment-14030 Let see; Pluggo, Radial, Hipno, and Mode all gone the way of the dinosaur. I love Hipno, one of the coolest plugins in the world. Not only does it bother me that I dropped money on all of these, but the fact that I would have kept buying your products had there been such a scorched earth appoarch to a business deal. Makes me not interested in buying into Ableton at all, who knows in a couple of years maybe that will be dumped as well!! I don't have much trust in Cycling 74 or Electrotap. I have waited a long time before I said anything to see what would shake out. I'm sure niche industries are difficult but I would think Ableton could have made money selling Hipno as a standalone under the Ableton name! Let see; Pluggo, Radial, Hipno, and Mode all gone the way of the dinosaur. I love Hipno, one of the coolest plugins in the world. Not only does it bother me that I dropped money on all of these, but the fact that I would have kept buying your products had there been such a scorched earth appoarch to a business deal. Makes me not interested in buying into Ableton at all, who knows in a couple of years maybe that will be dumped as well!! I don’t have much trust in Cycling 74 or Electrotap. I have waited a long time before I said anything to see what would shake out. I’m sure niche industries are difficult but I would think Ableton could have made money selling Hipno as a standalone under the Ableton name!

]]> By: Lee http://cycling74.com/2009/05/14/pluggo-technology-moves-to-max-for-live/comment-page-1/#comment-13663 Lee Tue, 24 May 2011 00:00:16 +0000 http://veryhandso.me/?p=2083#comment-13663 I can see where they're coming from, two major OS's, countless DAW hosts, RTAS, AU, and VST...oh, actually Win and Mac VST..good luck with any .dll converters for using Windows only VSTs in OSX..rolling dice. More choice often equals more complications. All of those factors (plus piracy), must be a nightmare for such a small company. Pluggo was, what, $200 for more than 100 plugs, most of which were infinitely useful & easy to use? Great deal, really. This sort of thing happens, and most companies don't even say they'll return your calls, it's just tough tit-tay. Won't name any names, but was a certain software company whose suite of far fewer plugs with mostly cludgy interfaces cost me way more and they left me in the cold with no upgrade path and no support. Their Not-So-Intact VST was abandonware mere months after I paid $100 for it, too. It was also awesome seeing AbysmalSynth repackaged as a "bigger" synth with the UI that Abysmal should have had from the start. Shame, some of their products sound very nice. A software company that actually responds to people and offers software with great UI's, great sound, with a great price deserves some patience. This is more like Legacyware than Abandonware, it's obvious they're still fielding questions from people who bought their products. The comment about Ableton only being for stupid house musicians made me laugh...that's kinda like those who say Image Line's FLS is only for techno weenies and beginners. I may not like FLS's workflow, but it's a full music production suite that will do anything the end user takes the time to learn how to do. People use Ableton for all types of music. Among all DAWs, Ableton is the one that offers the most modularity and routing with the least amount of fuss. The partnership with Ableton seemed like a wise move to me. It would be really cool to see a Live Lite For Max version of Ableton Live for those who just want to use Max by rewiring Live to their main DAW, but I don't know if the guys at Ableton like Cycling74 THAT much. Ableton is solid on both Windows and OSX, so Ableton can deal with that area while Cycling74 can concentrate on porting all the Pluggo plugs everyone loved to Max For Live and providing support. I can see where they’re coming from, two major OS’s, countless DAW hosts, RTAS, AU, and VST…oh, actually Win and Mac VST..good luck with any .dll converters for using Windows only VSTs in OSX..rolling dice. More choice often equals more complications. All of those factors (plus piracy), must be a nightmare for such a small company. Pluggo was, what, $200 for more than 100 plugs, most of which were infinitely useful & easy to use? Great deal, really. This sort of thing happens, and most companies don’t even say they’ll return your calls, it’s just tough tit-tay. Won’t name any names, but was a certain software company whose suite of far fewer plugs with mostly cludgy interfaces cost me way more and they left me in the cold with no upgrade path and no support. Their Not-So-Intact VST was abandonware mere months after I paid $100 for it, too. It was also awesome seeing AbysmalSynth repackaged as a “bigger” synth with the UI that Abysmal should have had from the start. Shame, some of their products sound very nice. A software company that actually responds to people and offers software with great UI’s, great sound, with a great price deserves some patience. This is more like Legacyware than Abandonware, it’s obvious they’re still fielding questions from people who bought their products.

The comment about Ableton only being for stupid house musicians made me laugh…that’s kinda like those who say Image Line’s FLS is only for techno weenies and beginners. I may not like FLS’s workflow, but it’s a full music production suite that will do anything the end user takes the time to learn how to do. People use Ableton for all types of music. Among all DAWs, Ableton is the one that offers the most modularity and routing with the least amount of fuss.

The partnership with Ableton seemed like a wise move to me. It would be really cool to see a Live Lite For Max version of Ableton Live for those who just want to use Max by rewiring Live to their main DAW, but I don’t know if the guys at Ableton like Cycling74 THAT much. Ableton is solid on both Windows and OSX, so Ableton can deal with that area while Cycling74 can concentrate on porting all the Pluggo plugs everyone loved to Max For Live and providing support.

]]> By: Dave Holton http://cycling74.com/2009/05/14/pluggo-technology-moves-to-max-for-live/comment-page-1/#comment-13187 Dave Holton Thu, 14 Apr 2011 17:43:54 +0000 http://veryhandso.me/?p=2083#comment-13187 Hi Kris, If Pluggo is making an intermittent buzzing sound, it most likely means that it is unauthorized. Pluggo authorization instructions (for current owners) can be found here: http://cycling74.com/support/auth_plugins If you have any trouble authorizing, feel free to drop a line to support for help. Hi Kris,

If Pluggo is making an intermittent buzzing sound, it most likely means that it is unauthorized. Pluggo authorization instructions (for current owners) can be found here: http://cycling74.com/support/auth_plugins

If you have any trouble authorizing, feel free to drop a line to support for help.

]]> By: Kris http://cycling74.com/2009/05/14/pluggo-technology-moves-to-max-for-live/comment-page-1/#comment-13183 Kris Thu, 14 Apr 2011 14:38:18 +0000 http://veryhandso.me/?p=2083#comment-13183 this is entirely rubbish. ableton live is a bit of a toy for stupid house musicians. no offence :) - why did you have to integrate it with a sequencer? seems to me the whole point of software like this is as a modular effects unit, why does it need to be inside a sequencer!? im a registered user of pluggo which is making funny noises on this mac for some reason (no funny noises its not supposed to make) and i think you should have gone the plogue route of supplying a vst or au version of it so you could plug it into any sequencer. really bad decision. this is entirely rubbish. ableton live is a bit of a toy for stupid house musicians. no offence :) – why did you have to integrate it with a sequencer? seems to me the whole point of software like this is as a modular effects unit, why does it need to be inside a sequencer!? im a registered user of pluggo which is making funny noises on this mac for some reason (no funny noises its not supposed to make) and i think you should have gone the plogue route of supplying a vst or au version of it so you could plug it into any sequencer. really bad decision.

]]> By: Bastian http://cycling74.com/2009/05/14/pluggo-technology-moves-to-max-for-live/comment-page-1/#comment-13179 Bastian Wed, 13 Apr 2011 07:38:35 +0000 http://veryhandso.me/?p=2083#comment-13179 Me too! I Love Max and I hate live. How about the option to export patches as vst or other Plugins? Max should be a flexible tool. In cooperation with live Max is not flexible enough. Me too! I Love Max and I hate live.
How about the option to export patches as vst or other Plugins?
Max should be a flexible tool. In cooperation with live Max is not flexible enough.

]]> By: lahcen http://cycling74.com/2009/05/14/pluggo-technology-moves-to-max-for-live/comment-page-1/#comment-12984 lahcen Wed, 16 Mar 2011 22:18:41 +0000 http://veryhandso.me/?p=2083#comment-12984 How about Max for Digital Performer, or Max for Logic. Why ableton? I hate ableton live. I bought ableton suite 8 just because I knew max for live was coming, but had to sell it as it was not the way I like to work. I have a Max 5 license, but would love to use it as a pluggin in DP. How about Max for Digital Performer, or Max for Logic. Why ableton? I hate ableton live. I bought ableton suite 8 just because I knew max for live was coming, but had to sell it as it was not the way I like to work. I have a Max 5 license, but would love to use it as a pluggin in DP.

]]> By: Time Is Of LIttle Consequence | audientmusic http://cycling74.com/2009/05/14/pluggo-technology-moves-to-max-for-live/comment-page-1/#comment-12805 Time Is Of LIttle Consequence | audientmusic Fri, 18 Feb 2011 16:14:31 +0000 http://veryhandso.me/?p=2083#comment-12805 [...] I’m just using sounds from my Yamaha CS-80, some built-in synths in Logic & maybe some Pluggo, my Moog Modular for some nasty effects, and Absynth.  I like it, I think.  But I can never [...] [...] I’m just using sounds from my Yamaha CS-80, some built-in synths in Logic & maybe some Pluggo, my Moog Modular for some nasty effects, and Absynth.  I like it, I think.  But I can never [...]

]]> By: Lilli Wessling Hart http://cycling74.com/2009/05/14/pluggo-technology-moves-to-max-for-live/comment-page-1/#comment-1402 Lilli Wessling Hart Sun, 14 Feb 2010 18:29:26 +0000 http://veryhandso.me/?p=2083#comment-1402 We have to keep the downloads available to people who purchased Pluggo before it was discontinued. Alternatively, you can download Pluggo Junior and use it without authorization. We have to keep the downloads available to people who purchased Pluggo before it was discontinued. Alternatively, you can download Pluggo Junior and use it without authorization.

]]> By: chris http://cycling74.com/2009/05/14/pluggo-technology-moves-to-max-for-live/comment-page-1/#comment-1395 chris Sun, 14 Feb 2010 03:41:07 +0000 http://veryhandso.me/?p=2083#comment-1395 So why can we download the Pluggo 3.6 demo from your site, but have no way of purchasing it ? I love the plugins, and want to pay for them and get the 'challenge - response' authorization, but cannot. It's kind of a tease. I also want to use them with Digital Perfomer. So why can we download the Pluggo 3.6 demo from your site, but have no way of purchasing it ? I love the plugins, and want to pay for them and get the ‘challenge – response’ authorization, but cannot. It’s kind of a tease. I also want to use them with Digital Perfomer.

]]> By: Andrew Benson http://cycling74.com/2009/05/14/pluggo-technology-moves-to-max-for-live/comment-page-1/#comment-1376 Andrew Benson Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:00:51 +0000 http://veryhandso.me/?p=2083#comment-1376 Hi Filament, I believe this <a href="http://cycling74.com/2009/01/15/my-perspective-on-integrating-max-and-live/#more-2008" rel="nofollow">article</a> will help to articulate our motivations for choosing to partner with Ableton on this project. Hi Filament, I believe this article will help to articulate our motivations for choosing to partner with Ableton on this project.

]]> By: Filament http://cycling74.com/2009/05/14/pluggo-technology-moves-to-max-for-live/comment-page-1/#comment-1368 Filament Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:01:53 +0000 http://veryhandso.me/?p=2083#comment-1368 How about Max for Digital Performer, or Max for Logic. Why ableton? I hate ableton live. I bought ableton suite 8 just because I knew max for live was coming, but had to sell it as it was not the way I like to work. I have a Max 5 license, but would love to use it as a pluggin in DP. How about Max for Digital Performer, or Max for Logic. Why ableton? I hate ableton live. I bought ableton suite 8 just because I knew max for live was coming, but had to sell it as it was not the way I like to work. I have a Max 5 license, but would love to use it as a pluggin in DP.

]]> By: T.bias http://cycling74.com/2009/05/14/pluggo-technology-moves-to-max-for-live/comment-page-1/#comment-1310 T.bias Wed, 03 Feb 2010 02:00:21 +0000 http://veryhandso.me/?p=2083#comment-1310 I completely rely on Degrader for my production in MOTU Digital Performer. I have NO idea what to do now. I'd be willing to pay for that one plugin alone what I paid for the whole suite. I completely rely on Degrader for my production in MOTU Digital Performer. I have NO idea what to do now. I’d be willing to pay for that one plugin alone what I paid for the whole suite.

]]> By: development mode - StartTags.com http://cycling74.com/2009/05/14/pluggo-technology-moves-to-max-for-live/comment-page-1/#comment-1191 development mode - StartTags.com Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:54:56 +0000 http://veryhandso.me/?p=2083#comment-1191 [...] studies of H-mode physics is reviewed. Stabilizing effects by radial electric field or poloidal ...Pluggo Technology Moves to Max for Live - Cycling 74This includes Pluggo, Mode, Hipno, and UpMix. We will still continue to support current users as [...] [...] studies of H-mode physics is reviewed. Stabilizing effects by radial electric field or poloidal …Pluggo Technology Moves to Max for Live – Cycling 74This includes Pluggo, Mode, Hipno, and UpMix. We will still continue to support current users as [...]

]]> By: daichi http://cycling74.com/2009/05/14/pluggo-technology-moves-to-max-for-live/comment-page-1/#comment-799 daichi Wed, 09 Dec 2009 05:38:21 +0000 http://veryhandso.me/?p=2083#comment-799 hi hi

]]> By: Anteprima italiana di Max for Live con David Zicarelli | sounDesign http://cycling74.com/2009/05/14/pluggo-technology-moves-to-max-for-live/comment-page-1/#comment-763 Anteprima italiana di Max for Live con David Zicarelli | sounDesign Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:16:54 +0000 http://veryhandso.me/?p=2083#comment-763 [...] presenta basse prestazioni audio e notevoli problemi di compatibilità. Pluggo sta per essere completamente ripensato, mentre Jitter ovviamente sarà totalmente integrato e ottimizzato nella nuova piattaforma Max for [...] [...] presenta basse prestazioni audio e notevoli problemi di compatibilità. Pluggo sta per essere completamente ripensato, mentre Jitter ovviamente sarà totalmente integrato e ottimizzato nella nuova piattaforma Max for [...]

]]> By: Umarł Pluggo, niech żyje Live! (ale co z sierotami…?) « 0dB.pl – twój poziom odniesienia http://cycling74.com/2009/05/14/pluggo-technology-moves-to-max-for-live/comment-page-1/#comment-738 Umarł Pluggo, niech żyje Live! (ale co z sierotami…?) « 0dB.pl – twój poziom odniesienia Sun, 29 Nov 2009 15:52:41 +0000 http://veryhandso.me/?p=2083#comment-738 [...] i czasochłonne, a do tego doszła także spora zapaść na rynku oprogramowania audio. Stąd też decyzja firmy o rezygnacji ze wspierania Pluggo i skupieniu się na nowym projekcie – integracji Maxa z programem Live. W ten sposób [...] [...] i czasochłonne, a do tego doszła także spora zapaść na rynku oprogramowania audio. Stąd też decyzja firmy o rezygnacji ze wspierania Pluggo i skupieniu się na nowym projekcie – integracji Maxa z programem Live. W ten sposób [...]

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