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Cycling '74 Forums » Topic: "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858 Cycling '74 Forums » Topic: "Max for Live"? en-US Tue, 07 Sep 2010 02:49:16 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95126 Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:50:14 +0000 Andrew Pask 95126@http://cycling74.com/forums/ soon, hopefully -A "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95125 Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:45:43 +0000 Anthony Palomba 95125@http://cycling74.com/forums/ So when will Max4Live be released? "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95124 Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:37:31 +0000 Roman Thilenius 95124@http://cycling74.com/forums/ this thread just had 13373 views when i came in. "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95123 Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:13:23 +0000 stringtapper 95123@http://cycling74.com/forums/ <table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText">stax67 wrote on Wed, 16 September 2009 11:05</td></tr><tr><td class="quote">Hi, I have read through this thread and I am probably setting myself up for a cussing but I am still not clear: If I own Live 8 and get MFL, will I be able to get a pre made max5 patch for say a monome and use this patch (with a monome) in MFL, or do I have to have max5 for this. Alternatively will there be a way of converting max5 patches to work in MFL. Cheers Stax </td></tr></table> M4L IS Max 5 with the ability to pair with Live 8. You can use pre-existing Max patches but in order to do so you must first create a M4L device in Live, copy the code from the pre-existing Max patch and paste it into the window of the new M4L device, and then save the device into Live's library. Edit: Be aware that things will have to be tweaked once they are running in the device. It's not going to be a situation where you just "plug and play." You'll need to know what's what in the patch you're trying to port. Live handles all the incoming audio and midi so your patch will have to be modified to account for that. "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95122 Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:05:15 +0000 stax67 95122@http://cycling74.com/forums/ Hi, I have read through this thread and I am probably setting myself up for a cussing but I am still not clear: If I own Live 8 and get MFL, will I be able to get a pre made max5 patch for say a monome and use this patch (with a monome) in MFL, or do I have to have max5 for this. Alternatively will there be a way of converting max5 patches to work in MFL. Cheers Stax "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95121 Sun, 28 Jun 2009 17:38:59 +0000 mzed 95121@http://cycling74.com/forums/ <table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText">Roman Thilenius wrote on Fri, 26 June 2009 14:19</td></tr><tr><td class="quote"> real artists perform screenless patching, live on a dark stage, on a computer without keybord and mouse. -110 </td></tr></table> These guys get pretty close: <a href="http://www.myspace.com/pantomorf">http://www.myspace.com/pantomorf</a> mz "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95120 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:56:16 +0000 stringtapper 95120@http://cycling74.com/forums/ <table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText">Adam Murray wrote on Sat, 27 June 2009 10:27</td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText">stringtapper wrote on Fri, 26 June 2009 14:01</td></tr><tr><td class="quote">Soooo... Any updates? Public beta? </td></tr></table> If you are interested in beta testing you should take a look over here: <a href="http://www.cycling74.com/special/maxforlive">http://www.cycling74.com/special/maxforlive</a> Near the top it says "If you are interested in participating in the beta-test program for Max for Live, please e-mail our Max for Live Beta Test Coordinator" (with an email link). </td></tr></table> Yeah, I've been on the list since day one. Even sent an example patch illustrating how I use Max ReWired with Live, with nary a peep from the beta team. "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95119 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:27:08 +0000 Adam Murray 95119@http://cycling74.com/forums/ <table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText">stringtapper wrote on Fri, 26 June 2009 14:01</td></tr><tr><td class="quote">Soooo... Any updates? Public beta? </td></tr></table> If you are interested in beta testing you should take a look over here: <a href="http://www.cycling74.com/special/maxforlive">http://www.cycling74.com/special/maxforlive</a> Near the top it says "If you are interested in participating in the beta-test program for Max for Live, please e-mail our Max for Live Beta Test Coordinator" (with an email link). "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95118 Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:19:31 +0000 Roman Thilenius 95118@http://cycling74.com/forums/ <table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText">Achim wrote on Mon, 26 January 2009 13:58</td></tr><tr><td class="quote"> Resulting in the possibility to create custom filebrowsers which completely work on a MIDI-controller's LCD display(s). This seems like the last step missing from a completely screen-less setup. Achim </td></tr></table> real artists perform screenless patching, live on a dark stage, on a computer without keybord and mouse. -110 "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95117 Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:01:08 +0000 stringtapper 95117@http://cycling74.com/forums/ Soooo... Any updates? Public beta? It would be cool if we could at least get some details about how much control the API integration will afford. New article with a few more tidbits? Pretty please? "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95116 Mon, 26 Jan 2009 12:58:40 +0000 Achim 95116@http://cycling74.com/forums/ Hey, hope I'm not to late with my question regrading m4l Will it be possible to programmatically load a clip by sending a sample's filepath and the session-view-coordinates to live? Resulting in the possibility to create custom filebrowsers which completely work on a MIDI-controller's LCD display(s). This seems like the last step missing from a completely screen-less setup. Thanks in advance Achim "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95115 Thu, 22 Jan 2009 18:17:47 +0000 stringtapper 95115@http://cycling74.com/forums/ Quote: st.scholl wrote on Thu, 22 January 2009 09:58 ---------------------------------------------------- > > hello, > > i m looking for traces of max... concerning the musical practice, specially the musical consciousness! > can you write me your opinion about what max has changed in the last twenty years. > > thanks a lot. > <a href="http://redirect.gimas.net/?n=M0901xLSVideo" rel="nofollow">http://redirect.gimas.net/?n=M0901xLSVideo</a> > Welches Video willst du sehen? Neu! Webweit Videos suchen. Hier starten! > > ---------------------------------------------------- Not sure what this has to do with Max for Live, but nevertheless I would suggest this article as a starting point: <a href="http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/Publications/dartmouth-reprint.dir/" rel="nofollow">http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/Publications/dartmouth-reprint.dir/</a> "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95114 Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:58:01 +0000 st.scholl 95114@http://cycling74.com/forums/ hello, i m looking for traces of max... concerning the musical practice, specially the musical consciousness! can you write me your opinion about what max has changed in the last twenty years. thanks a lot. <a href="http://redirect.gimas.net/?n=M0901xLSVideo" rel="nofollow">http://redirect.gimas.net/?n=M0901xLSVideo</a> Welches Video willst du sehen? Neu! Webweit Videos suchen. Hier starten! "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95113 Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:54:36 +0000 Matthew Aidekman 95113@http://cycling74.com/forums/ now THAT excites me. obviously the plug in world has repeatedly pissed you guys off. And while it's a bit saddening that something more generic can't be worked out for the sake of spreading the max seed far and wide, dedicated relationship obviously has it's pros. When ever that grace period starts, you know I'll be buying myself a copy of live. I'd like maxfor a lot of things. I cant think of a single thing in my life that wouldn't be improved by an edit button. "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95112 Wed, 21 Jan 2009 19:00:58 +0000 Gregory Taylor 95112@http://cycling74.com/forums/ > About Aggregation, what is the most common way to take a Visually > Programmed Patch and bundle it up for use within another patch, a > Black-Box of sorts. If you're referring to the ability to create and reuse bits of what you patch, then I would suggest you have a look at Tutorials 14 (Encapsulation) and 15 (Abstractions). If you mean you want to create a patch that includes UI objects for its interface which you can then reuse, that's called a bpatcher, and a little quality time with Interface tutorial 1 should sort you out. "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95111 Wed, 21 Jan 2009 18:43:04 +0000 btovsky 95111@http://cycling74.com/forums/ holy moly. excuse me while i go change my pants... b On Jan 21, 2009, at 1:26 PM, Andrew Benson wrote: > > Hi Matthew, >> 2) How does max-for-live differ from max-as-plugin + live.objects >> ? Put a different way, does MaxForLive - live.objects + >> digi.objects = MaxForPT ? I know you've stated that pluggo is >> alive but this would be the most joyful end to pluggo I could >> think of. > > Allow me to present the "Edit" button... > The equation you present doesn't fully take into account the > intertwined and thorough integration that Max for Live represents. > For example: > > --Blank Max devices (Instrument,Audio,Midi effects) can be dropped > into a device channel from the standard list of devices, and then > edited at will. > > --All of the ITM objects in your patch will automatically use the > Live transport as their master, even while your patch is in editing > mode. > > --Because we are working collaboratively with Ableton, we are able > to optimize things like event timing to be way more accurate and > efficient than Pluggo has ever been. > > --Since this is a long-term partnership, M4L isn't going to be > vulnerable to unexpected changes in technology, like VST or RTAS > specs often do at the whim of those in control. > > You will most likely be surprised at how the integration of Max > into the Live context will change the way you approach patch > writing, since it is easy to click the edit button and tweak things > as you go. Also, given that the live.* objects are immediately > visible to the Live mapping/automation engine, designing UI's will > be really easy. No mucking about with "pp" objects or plugconfig > files. Via the live.param~ object, you will be able to get sample- > accurate automation curve data in your patch as well. > > I hope this clears things up a little. > > Andrew B. > -- > > "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95110 Wed, 21 Jan 2009 18:26:14 +0000 Andrew Benson 95110@http://cycling74.com/forums/ Hi Matthew, > 2) How does max-for-live differ from max-as-plugin + live.objects > ? Put a different way, does MaxForLive - live.objects + > digi.objects = MaxForPT ? I know you've stated that pluggo is > alive but this would be the most joyful end to pluggo I could > think of. Allow me to present the "Edit" button... The equation you present doesn't fully take into account the intertwined and thorough integration that Max for Live represents. For example: --Blank Max devices (Instrument,Audio,Midi effects) can be dropped into a device channel from the standard list of devices, and then edited at will. --All of the ITM objects in your patch will automatically use the Live transport as their master, even while your patch is in editing mode. --Because we are working collaboratively with Ableton, we are able to optimize things like event timing to be way more accurate and efficient than Pluggo has ever been. --Since this is a long-term partnership, M4L isn't going to be vulnerable to unexpected changes in technology, like VST or RTAS specs often do at the whim of those in control. You will most likely be surprised at how the integration of Max into the Live context will change the way you approach patch writing, since it is easy to click the edit button and tweak things as you go. Also, given that the live.* objects are immediately visible to the Live mapping/automation engine, designing UI's will be really easy. No mucking about with "pp" objects or plugconfig files. Via the live.param~ object, you will be able to get sample-accurate automation curve data in your patch as well. I hope this clears things up a little. Andrew B. "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95109 Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:05:49 +0000 Wetterberg 95109@http://cycling74.com/forums/ Robert Thompson skrev: > Yes, yes, I know there are tons of Tutorials. > > I'm talking about Demonstrative Video Tutorials. I'm doing one myself > for Lynda.com for Motion 3 particle systems. Ah, you didn't say. Makes sense, and it's been discussed before - but it's going to take days of video, not hours. A herculean task, no doubt. > > No need for the "Eh?" -- this is a nice and peaceful list and I'm a > newcomer, please refrain from slights of insult like that. "Eh" isn't an insult or a slight of anything. LMGTFY: - "an interrogative utterance, usually expressing surprise or doubt or seeking confirmation" - Did you get the abstractions to work? Andreas > > -r > > > On Jan 21, 2009, at 11:37 AM, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > >> Robert Thompson skrev: >>> One of my questions is about Aggregation, and a still as yet >>> unanswered question about a Comprehensive Tutorial, like those >>> available for many other products. >> Eh? There's got to be like a hundred tutorials that come with MaxMSP? >>> >>> About Aggregation, what is the most common way to take a Visually >>> Programmed Patch and bundle it up for use within another patch, a >>> Black-Box of sorts. >> Make an abstraction. That process is also explained in the >> aforementioned tutorials. >> Andreas. >> >> > > > > > . > "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95108 Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:49:39 +0000 robert 95108@http://cycling74.com/forums/ Yes, yes, I know there are tons of Tutorials. I'm talking about Demonstrative Video Tutorials. I'm doing one myself for Lynda.com for Motion 3 particle systems. No need for the "Eh?" -- this is a nice and peaceful list and I'm a newcomer, please refrain from slights of insult like that. -r On Jan 21, 2009, at 11:37 AM, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > Robert Thompson skrev: >> One of my questions is about Aggregation, and a still as yet >> unanswered question about a Comprehensive Tutorial, like those >> available for many other products. > Eh? There's got to be like a hundred tutorials that come with MaxMSP? >> >> About Aggregation, what is the most common way to take a Visually >> Programmed Patch and bundle it up for use within another patch, a >> Black-Box of sorts. > Make an abstraction. That process is also explained in the > aforementioned tutorials. > Andreas. > > "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95107 Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:37:07 +0000 Wetterberg 95107@http://cycling74.com/forums/ Robert Thompson skrev: > One of my questions is about Aggregation, and a still as yet > unanswered question about a Comprehensive Tutorial, like those > available for many other products. Eh? There's got to be like a hundred tutorials that come with MaxMSP? > > About Aggregation, what is the most common way to take a Visually > Programmed Patch and bundle it up for use within another patch, a > Black-Box of sorts. Make an abstraction. That process is also explained in the aforementioned tutorials. Andreas. "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95106 Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:12:25 +0000 robert 95106@http://cycling74.com/forums/ For what it's worth, I feel exactly the same about the Philosophy of C74. They are unique. I've followed the developments of the company for years but only had the money to get all the products in 2007. One of my questions is about Aggregation, and a still as yet unanswered question about a Comprehensive Tutorial, like those available for many other products. About Aggregation, what is the most common way to take a Visually Programmed Patch and bundle it up for use within another patch, a Black-Box of sorts. -r On Jan 21, 2009, at 2:36 AM, Matthew Aidekman wrote: > > First of all, Jeremy, buddy, pal, THANK YOU! Wow... just wow. > That goes for the rest of the C74 team. This really renews my > faith in max. Cycling 74 continually reaffirms my view that Cycling > 74 is the model technology company. Innovation and passion funding > life and not the other way around. Thank you so much. It really > gives me hope! > > Questions: > > 1) Will the work you've done to ensure that audio runs uninterrupted > in live be applied to max? What exactly is it? > > 2) How does max-for-live differ from max-as-plugin + live.objects ? > Put a different way, does MaxForLive - live.objects + digi.objects > = MaxForPT ? I know you've stated that pluggo is alive but this > would be the most joyful end to pluggo I could think of. > > "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95105 Wed, 21 Jan 2009 13:30:09 +0000 Venetian 95105@http://cycling74.com/forums/ sure - just checking my brain is working right! "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95104 Wed, 21 Jan 2009 13:27:26 +0000 Jeremy Bernstein 95104@http://cycling74.com/forums/ Quote: Venetian wrote on Wed, 21 January 2009 14:25 ---------------------------------------------------- > > To clarify: > Externals from third party , e.g. fiddle, one's own C and Java externals, are going to run fine since Live is communicating with Max 5 on the machine? > > I think Jeremy said as much, but I just wanted to make sure. Also, this looks an excellent extension of both programs - well done to all involved. > > Andrew ---------------------------------------------------- I'm not sure if I should reward this "I-know-you-wrote-it-but-I-want-to-read-you-writing-it-again" behavior with anything but a meta-answer. jb "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95103 Wed, 21 Jan 2009 13:25:03 +0000 Venetian 95103@http://cycling74.com/forums/ To clarify: Externals from third party , e.g. fiddle, one's own C and Java externals, are going to run fine since Live is communicating with Max 5 on the machine? I think Jeremy said as much, but I just wanted to make sure. Also, this looks an excellent extension of both programs - well done to all involved. Andrew "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95102 Wed, 21 Jan 2009 08:13:45 +0000 Emmanuel Jourdan 95102@http://cycling74.com/forums/ On 21 janv. 09, at 08:36, Matthew Aidekman wrote: > 1) Will the work you've done to ensure that audio runs uninterrupted > in live be applied to max? What exactly is it? > > 2) How does max-for-live differ from max-as-plugin + live.objects ? > Put a different way, does MaxForLive - live.objects + digi.objects > = MaxForPT ? live.* objects for instance can be controlled by MIDI using the MIDI assignment feature of Live. They also get the colors from the Live environment so you're M4L devices behave exactly the same way of the standard Live's one. There's an Audio + Automation realtime pipe between Live and Max... Those are the kind of things that you can only get if you have a great partnership. ej "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95101 Wed, 21 Jan 2009 07:36:00 +0000 Matthew Aidekman 95101@http://cycling74.com/forums/ First of all, Jeremy, buddy, pal, THANK YOU! Wow... just wow. That goes for the rest of the C74 team. This really renews my faith in max. Cycling 74 continually reaffirms my view that Cycling 74 is the model technology company. Innovation and passion funding life and not the other way around. Thank you so much. It really gives me hope! Questions: 1) Will the work you've done to ensure that audio runs uninterrupted in live be applied to max? What exactly is it? 2) How does max-for-live differ from max-as-plugin + live.objects ? Put a different way, does MaxForLive - live.objects + digi.objects = MaxForPT ? I know you've stated that pluggo is alive but this would be the most joyful end to pluggo I could think of. "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95100 Tue, 20 Jan 2009 11:04:09 +0000 pyrolator 95100@http://cycling74.com/forums/ Quote: Guillaume Evrard wrote on Mon, 19 January 2009 15:08 ---------------------------------------------------- > "Instead of thinking about what Max is going to do for Live, think about > what Live is going to do for Max. Thank you Guillaume for this input. This as absolutly true. I think the audio engine in Live is very good and the new warping engine looks much more flexible, than to handle audio within the MaxMSP audio buffer. I wonder if the new live.path, live.object and live.observer would also handle this aspects in live? If so, it would be a huge step in handling audio in MaxMSP. best wishes pyro "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95099 Mon, 19 Jan 2009 19:24:32 +0000 robert 95099@http://cycling74.com/forums/ Dieder, Interesting. However, I believe the following demo, shows why one might choose Lemur (v2?) and it's API capabilities, over the Akai Live controller. However again, I have the MC Control and MC Mix (EuCon Protocol) from Euphonix, and I've noticed a very distinct tactile difference in the ability to use the Akai controller versus a touch-screen only. So I'm still up in the air myself as to which to choose....Ultimately both are good...it's almost as if the more prevalent touch screen controllers get, the more there will be a need for overlay transparencies, that have "rough surfaces" and "smooth surfaces". For a slider you obviously want a smooth surface (like a typical X-Y pad which is even less slippery than most touchscreens), but there is a specific need for the ability to place, sticky rough surfaces onto a touch display surface; perhaps this can be done with static electricity supplemented with some kind of polymer that is made for the screen and once placed will not move but can will be slightly raised, and thus provide a much better degree of performance as a toggle button. -r On Jan 19, 2009, at 12:26 PM, Didier Malenfant wrote: > > [Robert] > > Check out this quick into video I did about my Lemur, it should give > you and idea of what it can do. It's used on stage by people like > Daft Punk, Justice or Deadmau5 to name a few. > > <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEjvb-yIRwY" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEjvb-yIRwY</a> > > [C74] > > How will the 'observer' mode work (where you can interface with > Live's UI)? > > Will the Max Patch still sit inside a device in a track somewhere or > will there be another place to insert/edit those? > "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95098 Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:57:36 +0000 stringtapper 95098@http://cycling74.com/forums/ Quote: Anthony Palomba wrote on Mon, 19 January 2009 11:40 ---------------------------------------------------- > I am particularly interested in knowing how 3rd party externals > will be handled or if there is a plan to handle them. I have > developed many of my own and I would definitely want to use > them in Max4Live. Is there any limitation there? > > ---------------------------------------------------- From what has been said externals will be supported but the same issues with portability will exist if you want to distribute M4L devices. I'm very curious to see how stable something like [fiddle~] will be inside Live. "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95097 Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:40:52 +0000 Anthony Palomba 95097@http://cycling74.com/forums/ Quote: Veqtor wrote on Mon, 19 January 2009 04:39 ---------------------------------------------------- > Three questions: > 1) Will it be possible to embed externals inside created live devices? > 2) Will it be possible to lock live devices from editing, so as to be able to for example sell or distribute said device without the fear of it's internal workings being exposed to the general public? > 3) Will there be an educational discount on the max4live addon? ---------------------------------------------------- I am particularly interested in knowing how 3rd party externals will be handled or if there is a plan to handle them. I have developed many of my own and I would definitely want to use them in Max4Live. Is there any limitation there? "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95096 Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:26:19 +0000 LeDids 95096@http://cycling74.com/forums/ [Robert] Check out this quick into video I did about my Lemur, it should give you and idea of what it can do. It's used on stage by people like Daft Punk, Justice or Deadmau5 to name a few. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEjvb-yIRwY" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEjvb-yIRwY</a> [C74] How will the 'observer' mode work (where you can interface with Live's UI)? Will the Max Patch still sit inside a device in a track somewhere or will there be another place to insert/edit those? "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95095 Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:54:19 +0000 Parametex 95095@http://cycling74.com/forums/ Hi all! I was wanted to give lot's of KUDOS to the c74 folk for the wonderful integration that the M4L will bring! I feel that you guys have truly generated a cooperation of the century! Cheers, P. "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95094 Mon, 19 Jan 2009 14:08:26 +0000 Guillaume Evrard 95094@http://cycling74.com/forums/ "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95093 Mon, 19 Jan 2009 11:39:28 +0000 Veqtor 95093@http://cycling74.com/forums/ Three questions: 1) Will it be possible to embed externals inside created live devices? 2) Will it be possible to lock live devices from editing, so as to be able to for example sell or distribute said device without the fear of it's internal workings being exposed to the general public? 3) Will there be an educational discount on the max4live addon? "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95092 Mon, 19 Jan 2009 06:10:57 +0000 pechnatunk 95092@http://cycling74.com/forums/ This is amazing news for C74, Ableton and the rest of us. It's already been touched on earlier, but I'm going to ask again with my own examples. At the moment Live does not support NRPN's, if Live handles the midi in/out in M4L will I be able to send NRPN's constructed in Max/MSP out M4L's midi out? I've been wanting to use Live's GUI with Max via rewire but it "just doesn't work" How integrated is the programing? Ableton's clip launch function is useful but not in depth enough, will I be able to weight the launch of clips in a more complex way eg. stochastic music. And lastly, what can Max 5 do that M4L won't - will it be watered down in any way, - missing objects? either way, I'm excited. "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95091 Sun, 18 Jan 2009 19:39:43 +0000 Jean-Francois Charles 95091@http://cycling74.com/forums/ But a good thing is that the Live demo is fully functional without time limitation. You can't edit a set, but an installation may run with it. > plus live is not necessarily the ideal environment for installation > work. > "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95090 Sun, 18 Jan 2009 19:16:23 +0000 robert 95090@http://cycling74.com/forums/ Well my Ableton account shows the current option to upgrade to 8 and I will be doing that. With money being so tight though, and wanting to spend more time on New Music forms of development instead of Contracting for a living for "Business" (which sucks), I'm a little concerned about the price of M4L cost. But it's been said here that it will be reasonable; how reasonable for a Max/MSP 5.0, Jitter, Pluggo, Mode, Hypno, Octirama and Upmix customer; I purchased all these in about March of 2007 (full license). I've been busy doing other research also which has slowed my learning just a bit, but I have a vested interest in wanting C'74 to kick some azz, and Live 8 I love. I'm a bit pissed at Gibson though for charging so much for HD.6X.Pro and now they come out with the DarkFire at lower cost and better features, and the 5k+ HD.6X.Pro is a patented technology that is supposed to be a long term investment, yet it came with the freakin' lame SONAR 5 and I use a Mac, not a PC, let alone SONAR 6 had been out for a while. A lot of people are pissed at Gibson right now regarding their handling of Dark Fire -- I'll stop there off-topic, but expense and trust in the investment of vendor's software is a big issue right now regarding the economy (Thanks W for turning a national surplus into the worst debt ever; compounding housing sit.). Yeah, politico a bit, but this all works into the UpMix. -r On Jan 18, 2009, at 2:06 PM, Jeremy Bernstein wrote: > > Quote: robert wrote on Sun, 18 January 2009 19:59 > ---------------------------------------------------- >> Does this mean that M4L will not run on an Educational Version of >> Ableton Suite 8? >> >> Jeremy Bernstein wrote: >>> M4L will only run in the full version of Live 8. >>> >>> jb >>> > ---------------------------------------------------- > > The educational version is the the full version, but with > educational pricing. What do you think? > > jb > "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95089 Sun, 18 Jan 2009 19:06:10 +0000 Jeremy Bernstein 95089@http://cycling74.com/forums/ Quote: robert wrote on Sun, 18 January 2009 19:59 ---------------------------------------------------- > Does this mean that M4L will not run on an Educational Version of > Ableton Suite 8? > > Jeremy Bernstein wrote: > > M4L will only run in the full version of Live 8. > > > > jb > > ---------------------------------------------------- The educational version is the the full version, but with educational pricing. What do you think? jb "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95088 Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:59:14 +0000 robert 95088@http://cycling74.com/forums/ Does this mean that M4L will not run on an Educational Version of Ableton Suite 8? Jeremy Bernstein wrote: > M4L will only run in the full version of Live 8. > > jb > > Quote: roger.carruthers wrote on Sun, 18 January 2009 18:23 > ---------------------------------------------------- > >> Does MFL apply to the 'Lite' & Digidesign editions? >> I've owned a Digi version for several years, but never really bothered to >> look at it. The amount of excitement that this announcement has caused, >> makes me think that perhaps it's about time I did... >> Cheers >> Roger >> > ---------------------------------------------------- > > > > -- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this message may be privileged and confidential. Therefore, if this message has been received in error, please delete it without reading it. Your receipt of this message is not intended to waive any applicable privilege. Please do not disseminate this message without the permission of the author. This e-mail does not serve as a contract or a legally binding agreement of any sort whatsoever. Agreements with ActiveCommunity.com are done by formal contract only and by signature and witnesses. "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95087 Sun, 18 Jan 2009 17:35:57 +0000 Jeremy Bernstein 95087@http://cycling74.com/forums/ M4L will only run in the full version of Live 8. jb Quote: roger.carruthers wrote on Sun, 18 January 2009 18:23 ---------------------------------------------------- > Does MFL apply to the 'Lite' & Digidesign editions? > I've owned a Digi version for several years, but never really bothered to > look at it. The amount of excitement that this announcement has caused, > makes me think that perhaps it's about time I did... > Cheers > Roger ---------------------------------------------------- "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95086 Sun, 18 Jan 2009 17:34:58 +0000 Jeremy Bernstein 95086@http://cycling74.com/forums/ Quote: Bjorn Vayner wrote on Sun, 18 January 2009 16:37 ---------------------------------------------------- > Can we access parameters of Ableton's devices with the API stuff? > For example, can I use my own LFO to modulate Sampler's Pitch envelope Attack or the Track Volume? Like straight routing, without having to go thru a virtual MIDI driver and Live's MIDI Learn? ---------------------------------------------------- This is going to be possible, but it won't be super-simple to set up, and will run in the GUI, rather than at audio-rate. This is just one of those limitations of the environment. Maybe we'll find some nicer ways to deal with it in future versions. jb "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95085 Sun, 18 Jan 2009 17:32:27 +0000 Jeremy Bernstein 95085@http://cycling74.com/forums/ Automatable parameters are, unsuprisingly, limited to single numerical values. This means that, in the case of an object like matrixctrl, you'll need to either separate the values you care about into individual parameters, or forget about using it for automation. Objects like matrixctrl, whose values are represented by lists, can still be publicized to Live as a kind of 'blob' parameter -- the values will be saved in Live presets, and with the Set, but can't be automated. jb Quote: theblackpeacock wrote on Sun, 18 January 2009 01:32 ---------------------------------------------------- > i wonder how midi control of matrixcntrl will be managed? ---------------------------------------------------- "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95084 Sun, 18 Jan 2009 17:29:21 +0000 Jeremy Bernstein 95084@http://cycling74.com/forums/ Hey Kurt, welcome! Nice to have you here. jb Quote: pyrolator wrote on Sat, 17 January 2009 10:43 ---------------------------------------------------- > Quote: Jeremy Bernstein wrote on Fri, 16 January 2009 11:06 > ---------------------------------------------------- > > Pricing info hasn't been released, but as has been written elsewhere in this thread, if you own both Max 5 and Live 8, the price of the Max for Live addon will be very reasonable. > > Dear Jeremy, > I am normally a quiet reader of this forum, but a user of Max/Msp/Jitter AND Live from the first days of these programs on. Today it was time to join the forum. > > I just would like to say thank you and congratulations! This is a big step for me and I got really exited about it, when I read this yesterday. Both programs will benefit from this colaboration, I am very sure about that ! > > best wishes > Kurt Dahlke ---------------------------------------------------- "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95083 Sun, 18 Jan 2009 17:23:14 +0000 roger.carruthers 95083@http://cycling74.com/forums/ Does MFL apply to the 'Lite' & Digidesign editions? I've owned a Digi version for several years, but never really bothered to look at it. The amount of excitement that this announcement has caused, makes me think that perhaps it's about time I did... Cheers Roger "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95082 Sun, 18 Jan 2009 15:37:54 +0000 Bjorn Vayner 95082@http://cycling74.com/forums/ Can we access parameters of Ableton's devices with the API stuff? For example, can I use my own LFO to modulate Sampler's Pitch envelope Attack or the Track Volume? Like straight routing, without having to go thru a virtual MIDI driver and Live's MIDI Learn? "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95081 Sun, 18 Jan 2009 00:32:21 +0000 theblackpeacock 95081@http://cycling74.com/forums/ i wonder how midi control of matrixcntrl will be managed? "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95080 Sat, 17 Jan 2009 22:40:21 +0000 occular 95080@http://cycling74.com/forums/ I hope so, still save some $$$ for.. "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95079 Sat, 17 Jan 2009 21:33:26 +0000 Wetterberg 95079@http://cycling74.com/forums/ I'm certain it'll update on the european front as well - otherwise the price difference could pay for a trip over there and back no sweat, hehe. Andreas. Roman Weingardt skrev: > Is it a correct price politics from Jazzmutant? US users get it much cheaper than european users, the street-price for new Lemur is in Germany 1900 Euro. So 100 Euro off isn't big deal for me.. But nearly 40% off = 1380 Euro for it, that would be a deal !!! > > P.S: can I pay in $$$ from europe ??? > > . > > "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95078 Sat, 17 Jan 2009 21:04:17 +0000 occular 95078@http://cycling74.com/forums/ Is it a correct price politics from Jazzmutant? US users get it much cheaper than european users, the street-price for new Lemur is in Germany 1900 Euro. So 100 Euro off isn't big deal for me.. But nearly 40% off = 1380 Euro for it, that would be a deal !!! P.S: can I pay in $$$ from europe ??? On Jan 16, 2009, at 11:55 PM, Jonathan F. Hallstrom wrote: > This was just too good not to pass on... I just discovered (many > thanks to Matthias Schneider-Hollek for tipping me off) that > JazzMutant is offering a special (now through March 15) where > they're selling brand new Lemurs (with the new version 2 firmware) > at their web store for 1819 Euro/USD, shipping included! Yes, you > read it right... US purchasers can get a Lemur for $1819, over $1100 > less than the normal list price and they throw in the shipping for > nothing! > > ... hmmm... I sort of sound like an advertisement, don't I... sorry. > "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95077 Sat, 17 Jan 2009 16:00:53 +0000 joshua goldberg 95077@http://cycling74.com/forums/ plus live is not necessarily the ideal environment for installation work. On Jan 17, 2009, at 10:51 AM, Anthony Palomba wrote: > > Quote: strav100 wrote on Sat, 17 January 2009 03:58 > ---------------------------------------------------- >> Perhaps this will replace Max 5 standalone - why bother with it? >> Every Max owner if they don't have Live should get it - they can >> afford it if you could buy Max. >> >> Perhaps Max owners who buy Live should get Max for Live for nothing >> - Ableton should give C74 some money for each sale! > ---------------------------------------------------- > > > No, I think Max standalone should always be an option. I have > been getting along just fine with out Live for years. > People should not have to pay $500 for Live (plus whatever M4L > costs) in order to use Max. > > M4L does not allow you to develop your own externals (or share > them) so I don't think I would ever give up Max standalone. > "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95076 Sat, 17 Jan 2009 15:51:47 +0000 Anthony Palomba 95076@http://cycling74.com/forums/ Quote: strav100 wrote on Sat, 17 January 2009 03:58 ---------------------------------------------------- > Perhaps this will replace Max 5 standalone - why bother with it? Every Max owner if they don't have Live should get it - they can afford it if you could buy Max. > > Perhaps Max owners who buy Live should get Max for Live for nothing - Ableton should give C74 some money for each sale! ---------------------------------------------------- No, I think Max standalone should always be an option. I have been getting along just fine with out Live for years. People should not have to pay $500 for Live (plus whatever M4L costs) in order to use Max. M4L does not allow you to develop your own externals (or share them) so I don't think I would ever give up Max standalone. "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95075 Sat, 17 Jan 2009 12:04:25 +0000 robert 95075@http://cycling74.com/forums/ I totally Agree !!! If they want to partner in money, how about Offering a Special Akai/ Max-for-Live, for people who have Live 7 Suite Edu and upgrading to Live 8 Edu, and Max/MSP/Jitter 5 full version. On Jan 17, 2009, at 5:58 AM, David Molyneux wrote: > > Perhaps this will replace Max 5 standalone - why bother with it? > Every Max owner if they don't have Live should get it - they can > afford it if you could buy Max. > > Perhaps Max owners who buy Live should get Max for Live for nothing > - Ableton should give C74 some money for each sale! "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95074 Sat, 17 Jan 2009 12:00:02 +0000 robert 95074@http://cycling74.com/forums/ Great, so how about cost? If somebody has purchased Max/Msp/Jitter in 2007 and Ableton Suite 7 in 2007, will it be free, or cost a small fortune? -r On Jan 17, 2009, at 2:45 AM, Andrew Pask wrote: > >> cool, thanks. tbh, i think i'd rather design my own Live inspired >> >pluggos, test them in Live, then perform them in Live. > >> it could be kinda scary (not as stable) to patch in real-time... > > > Given that we have a combined Ableton/C74 engineering effort on > this, as opposed to the whims of 3rd party plug-in SDKs, you can be > fairly confident that the performance of M4L will be much more > stable than a pluggo plug. Very significant improvements, especially > concerning timing, have already been made. > > The up close and personal access to Live via the API is something > plugins are not capable of doing as well. > > -A > > > "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95073 Sat, 17 Jan 2009 11:51:36 +0000 robert 95073@http://cycling74.com/forums/ Well I don't mind the post as I don't know what a Lemur is or JazzMutant. I'll do some searching but can you expound on how it can be used in live performance (not the product but on stage). -r On Jan 16, 2009, at 11:55 PM, Jonathan F. Hallstrom wrote: > This was just too good not to pass on... I just discovered (many > thanks to Matthias Schneider-Hollek for tipping me off) that > JazzMutant is offering a special (now through March 15) where > they're selling brand new Lemurs (with the new version 2 firmware) > at their web store for 1819 Euro/USD, shipping included! Yes, you > read it right... US purchasers can get a Lemur for $1819, over $1100 > less than the normal list price and they throw in the shipping for > nothing! > > ... hmmm... I sort of sound like an advertisement, don't I... sorry. > > "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95072 Sat, 17 Jan 2009 11:48:09 +0000 robert 95072@http://cycling74.com/forums/ Speaking only for myself, I'm very excited about Max for Live and the Akai product. However, having purchased both the Albeton 7 Suite and Max/MSP/Jitter in 2007, I would like to know how much it's going to cost me, if anything, for Max for Live? I will be upgrading my Ableton Suite 7 to 8. I have applied for the beta testing for Max for Live. I'm going to try to trade in some other equipment or sell some hardware on eBay in order to get the Akai Product for Live Performance (meaning on stage; MainStage :) So I hope it's not some big costly hassle to use have to purchase an expensive Max for Live. I would hope that Ableton and Cycling '74 can work together to provide Max for Live as a Free option when upgrading to Live 8 Suite, as I have no need for "Latin Percussion" (one of the items included in the Live Suite 8 upgrade). Frankly, I wish they'd just provide the option of including Max for Live as part of the Live 7 to 8 Suite upgrade and replace the Latin Percussion. I've just purchased Max/MSP/Jitter so I have other motivations for wanting to go the Max for Live route rather than Pluggo (though I plan to learn Pluggo in time). Someone from Cycling '74 please contact me regarding this if possible. -r On Jan 16, 2009, at 11:14 PM, Jared Dunne wrote: > > cool, thanks. tbh, i think i'd rather design my own Live inspired > pluggos, test them in Live, then perform them in Live. > > it could be kinda scary (not as stable) to patch in real-time... > > Quote: RabidRaja wrote on Fri, 16 January 2009 20:08 > ---------------------------------------------------- >> the main thing is the ease of development flow. without >> interruption of the music you can edit and change/swap-out devices >> in realtime. with pluggo you would build in Max then test in the >> host app. >> >> check this article for how this was part of Robert and David's >> motivation to integrate: >> <a href="http://www.cycling74.com/story/2009/1/15/112631/799" rel="nofollow">http://www.cycling74.com/story/2009/1/15/112631/799</a> >> >> >> Quote: meloday wrote on Fri, 16 January 2009 19:28 >> ---------------------------------------------------- >>> may someone be so kind as to explain the advantages of Max for >>> Live over designing pluggo's/vst's and using them in Live? >>> >>> thanks! >> ---------------------------------------------------- >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------- > > "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95071 Sat, 17 Jan 2009 11:48:05 +0000 Wetterberg 95071@http://cycling74.com/forums/ I must say I'm kind of awestruck with these new prices! With time the Lemur has become a logical extension of MaxMSP/Jitter for me, and that pricing...phew. Jonathan F. Hallstrom skrev: > This was just too good not to pass on... I just discovered (many > thanks to Matthias Schneider-Hollek for tipping me off) that > JazzMutant is offering a special (now through March 15) where they're > selling brand new Lemurs (with the new version 2 firmware) at their > web store for 1819 Euro/USD, shipping included! Yes, you read it > right... US purchasers can get a Lemur for $1819, over $1100 less than > the normal list price and they throw in the shipping for nothing! > > ... hmmm... I sort of sound like an advertisement, don't I... sorry. "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95070 Sat, 17 Jan 2009 10:58:53 +0000 strav100 95070@http://cycling74.com/forums/ Perhaps this will replace Max 5 standalone - why bother with it? Every Max owner if they don't have Live should get it - they can afford it if you could buy Max. Perhaps Max owners who buy Live should get Max for Live for nothing - Ableton should give C74 some money for each sale! "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858&page=2#post-95069 Sat, 17 Jan 2009 09:43:08 +0000 pyrolator 95069@http://cycling74.com/forums/ Quote: Jeremy Bernstein wrote on Fri, 16 January 2009 11:06 ---------------------------------------------------- > Pricing info hasn't been released, but as has been written elsewhere in this thread, if you own both Max 5 and Live 8, the price of the Max for Live addon will be very reasonable. Dear Jeremy, I am normally a quiet reader of this forum, but a user of Max/Msp/Jitter AND Live from the first days of these programs on. Today it was time to join the forum. I just would like to say thank you and congratulations! This is a big step for me and I got really exited about it, when I read this yesterday. Both programs will benefit from this colaboration, I am very sure about that ! best wishes Kurt Dahlke "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858#post-95068 Sat, 17 Jan 2009 07:45:08 +0000 Andrew Pask 95068@http://cycling74.com/forums/ >cool, thanks. tbh, i think i'd rather design my own Live inspired >pluggos, test them in Live, then perform them in Live. >it could be kinda scary (not as stable) to patch in real-time... Given that we have a combined Ableton/C74 engineering effort on this, as opposed to the whims of 3rd party plug-in SDKs, you can be fairly confident that the performance of M4L will be much more stable than a pluggo plug. Very significant improvements, especially concerning timing, have already been made. The up close and personal access to Live via the API is something plugins are not capable of doing as well. -A "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858#post-95067 Sat, 17 Jan 2009 04:55:23 +0000 Jonathan Hallstrom 95067@http://cycling74.com/forums/ This was just too good not to pass on... I just discovered (many thanks to Matthias Schneider-Hollek for tipping me off) that JazzMutant is offering a special (now through March 15) where they're selling brand new Lemurs (with the new version 2 firmware) at their web store for 1819 Euro/USD, shipping included! Yes, you read it right... US purchasers can get a Lemur for $1819, over $1100 less than the normal list price and they throw in the shipping for nothing! ... hmmm... I sort of sound like an advertisement, don't I... sorry. "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858#post-95066 Sat, 17 Jan 2009 04:14:14 +0000 meloday 95066@http://cycling74.com/forums/ cool, thanks. tbh, i think i'd rather design my own Live inspired pluggos, test them in Live, then perform them in Live. it could be kinda scary (not as stable) to patch in real-time... Quote: RabidRaja wrote on Fri, 16 January 2009 20:08 ---------------------------------------------------- > the main thing is the ease of development flow. without interruption of the music you can edit and change/swap-out devices in realtime. with pluggo you would build in Max then test in the host app. > > check this article for how this was part of Robert and David's motivation to integrate: > <a href="http://www.cycling74.com/story/2009/1/15/112631/799" rel="nofollow">http://www.cycling74.com/story/2009/1/15/112631/799</a> > > > Quote: meloday wrote on Fri, 16 January 2009 19:28 > ---------------------------------------------------- > > may someone be so kind as to explain the advantages of Max for Live over designing pluggo's/vst's and using them in Live? > > > > thanks! > ---------------------------------------------------- > > ---------------------------------------------------- "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858#post-95065 Sat, 17 Jan 2009 03:08:11 +0000 raja 95065@http://cycling74.com/forums/ the main thing is the ease of development flow. without interruption of the music you can edit and change/swap-out devices in realtime. with pluggo you would build in Max then test in the host app. check this article for how this was part of Robert and David's motivation to integrate: <a href="http://www.cycling74.com/story/2009/1/15/112631/799" rel="nofollow">http://www.cycling74.com/story/2009/1/15/112631/799</a> Quote: meloday wrote on Fri, 16 January 2009 19:28 ---------------------------------------------------- > may someone be so kind as to explain the advantages of Max for Live over designing pluggo's/vst's and using them in Live? > > thanks! ---------------------------------------------------- "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858#post-95064 Sat, 17 Jan 2009 03:05:04 +0000 Gregory Taylor 95064@http://cycling74.com/forums/ > 2) Will certain objects such as hi be available directly in the Live environment, and the possibility of using them directly inside a Live project? Well, I slapped something together this morning in the booth with my trusty Logitech slapping a ring modulator upside the head and it "just worked." "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858#post-95063 Sat, 17 Jan 2009 02:28:06 +0000 meloday 95063@http://cycling74.com/forums/ may someone be so kind as to explain the advantages of Max for Live over designing pluggo's/vst's and using them in Live? thanks! "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858#post-95062 Sat, 17 Jan 2009 01:09:06 +0000 Emmanuel Jourdan 95062@http://cycling74.com/forums/ On 16 janv. 09, at 23:54, Didier Malenfant wrote: > I am a Live user but also recently downloaded Max to debug/update a > patch which converts midi notes to DMX commands for lights. I > currently use this to play 'songs' in live which, in fact, control > my light show when I DJ. > > Will I be able to use external modules in 'Max for Live'? yep. > My understanding is that in 'Max for Live' Midi/Audio in/out is > limited to Live, but will I be able to use the module I have to talk > to my USB-DMX cable inside a 'Max 4 Live' patch and receive midi > notes from Live then send them out to my DMX cable. Live can also store automation which is just abstract values in time. So you'll be able to make a device that use your third party USB->DMX objects and uses live incarnation objects to take advantage of the Live automation for instance. ej "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858#post-95061 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 23:02:22 +0000 nick rothwell / cassiel 95061@http://cycling74.com/forums/ On 16 Jan 2009, at 17:41, chris wrote: > wow, this looks pretty incredible. almost makes me want to switch > over from cubase to live, but its just too different :P I started with Performer more than 20 years ago, and used Digital Performer under OS 9 (remember that?) for quite a while, but switched to Live two or three years ago. For something that's often dismissed as a DJ tool, it is a superbly engineered piece of software which is more than up to the task of composing and assembling complete works - I've used it for commercial recording and for two-hour gallery soundtracks. In particular, the automation machinery is well designed and robust. It's a bit lacking in the ProTools-style soundbite editing and finicky tempo control, but maybe Max4Live will kick things into gear. -- N. Nick Rothwell / Cassiel.com Limited <a href="http://www.cassiel.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.cassiel.com</a> <a href="http://www.myspace.com/cassieldotcom" rel="nofollow">http://www.myspace.com/cassieldotcom</a> <a href="http://www.last.fm/music/cassiel" rel="nofollow">http://www.last.fm/music/cassiel</a> <a href="http://www.reverbnation.com/cassiel" rel="nofollow">http://www.reverbnation.com/cassiel</a> <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/cassiel" rel="nofollow">http://www.linkedin.com/in/cassiel</a> <a href="http://www.loadbang.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.loadbang.net</a> "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858#post-95060 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 22:52:18 +0000 LeDids 95060@http://cycling74.com/forums/ I am a Live user but also recently downloaded Max to debug/update a patch which converts midi notes to DMX commands for lights. I currently use this to play 'songs' in live which, in fact, control my light show when I DJ. Will I be able to use external modules in 'Max for Live'? My understanding is that in 'Max for Live' Midi/Audio in/out is limited to Live, but will I be able to use the module I have to talk to my USB-DMX cable inside a 'Max 4 Live' patch and receive midi notes from Live then send them out to my DMX cable. This would help decide for me whether I will purchase Max or Max for Live instead. Thanks! "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858#post-95059 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 22:51:05 +0000 LeDids 95059@http://cycling74.com/forums/ I am a Live user but also recently downloaded Max to debug/update a patch which converts midi notes to DMX commands for lights. I currently use this to play 'songs' in live which, in fact, control my light show when I DJ. Will I be able to use external modules in 'Max for Live'? My understanding is that in 'Max for Live' Midi/Audio in/out is limited to Live, but will I be able to use the module I have to talk to my USB-DMX cable inside a 'Max 4 Live' patch and receive midi notes from Live then send them out to my DMX cable. This would help decide for me whether I will purchase Max or Max for Live instead. Thanks! "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858#post-95058 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 20:51:55 +0000 Bill Van Loo 95058@http://cycling74.com/forums/ Hello, all. I have been entirely absent from the Max/MSP community for some years now, having been converted to the massive amount of productivity I found in other tools (specifically, Live). My license for Max/MSP 4.6 and Jitter sits on an iLok, sadly living in a dark drawer, never to grace my Intel-based MacBook. However, this new announcement brings me a great deal of excitement. I loved the ability to craft new tools in Max/MSP but the feedback cycle between building a tool and making it be immediately usable meant that I rarely accomplished a lot directly inside Max/MSP. This new collaboration seems like it will neatly chop out that limiting factor, opening up the world of building tools once again. I'm personally excited by a number of things: the ability to use Max as a way to make Live OSC-aware, the idea of having the Monome community's Max patches available inside Live, and the new Max for Live device sharing that will crop up. So, I'm glad to be back! Looking forward to Max for Live so I can start patching again. "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858#post-95057 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:41:58 +0000 mathieu "alkama" m. 95057@http://cycling74.com/forums/ This probably is the greatest announcement I ever heard ! With Pluggo, MaxMSP already was a tool of choice. But such a close collaboration between my two favorite pieces of music software is like a dream come true. It's a whole new era you're shaping here. The matter of pluggo's future and pricing for owners of both softwares seems to have been answered, hope it's gonna be as sweet as it sounds ;) I predict the userbase is going to explode, for the best. "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858#post-95056 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 18:50:09 +0000 Bipolart 95056@http://cycling74.com/forums/ I predict that this forum is gonna be explode in few months :) "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858#post-95055 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 18:44:20 +0000 raja 95055@http://cycling74.com/forums/ Om Nam Shiva. On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Ben Bracken <ben@cycling74.com> wrote: > > Let me be your spiritual advisor. As Max licenses are non-transferrable, > you would be effectively disabling the license for the buyer. Only the > original registered licensee can authorize the software. > > So hold on to your license, as it is no good to anyone else. > > -Ben > > > "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858#post-95054 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 18:13:55 +0000 comfy 95054@http://cycling74.com/forums/ Quote: Jeremy Bernstein wrote on Fri, 16 January 2009 11:06 ---------------------------------------------------- > Pricing info hasn't been released, but as has been written elsewhere in this thread, if you own both Max 5 and Live 8, the price of the Max for Live addon will be very reasonable. > > jb Awesome,Thanks....I can get all excited now! YAY "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858#post-95053 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 18:06:02 +0000 Jeremy Bernstein 95053@http://cycling74.com/forums/ Pricing info hasn't been released, but as has been written elsewhere in this thread, if you own both Max 5 and Live 8, the price of the Max for Live addon will be very reasonable. jb Quote: comfy wrote on Fri, 16 January 2009 19:02 ---------------------------------------------------- > One question thats been buggin me is that I own Live (not 8 but will upgrade once its out) and I own Max5. > > So in order to use Max5 in Live I would need to purchase the "Max for Live" add on... If thats the case will there be any reduction in price for the "Max for Live" add on for owners of Max 5? Seeing that people who just buy "Max for Live" get the upgrade price option for a full version of Max5? > > ---------------------------------------------------- "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858#post-95052 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 18:05:17 +0000 Ben Bracken 95052@http://cycling74.com/forums/ Let me be your spiritual advisor. As Max licenses are non-transferrable, you would be effectively disabling the license for the buyer. Only the original registered licensee can authorize the software. So hold on to your license, as it is no good to anyone else. -Ben "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858#post-95050 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 18:02:41 +0000 comfy 95050@http://cycling74.com/forums/ One question thats been buggin me is that I own Live (not 8 but will upgrade once its out) and I own Max5. So in order to use Max5 in Live I would need to purchase the "Max for Live" add on... If thats the case will there be any reduction in price for the "Max for Live" add on for owners of Max 5? Seeing that people who just buy "Max for Live" get the upgrade price option for a full version of Max5? "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858#post-95051 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:57:17 +0000 pure 95051@http://cycling74.com/forums/ Jeremy Bernstein wrote: > Quote: strimbob wrote on Fri, 16 January 2009 15:36 > ---------------------------------------------------- > >> this looks brill!!! >> >> will you be able to use jitter in side live?, >> if this is the case it will be the best news of all time, >> but either way it will be the best >> >> mint >> > ---------------------------------------------------- > > > yes. > > jb > oooh... -- <a href="http://pure.test.at" rel="nofollow">http://pure.test.at</a> <a href="http://www.myspace.com/pvre" rel="nofollow">http://www.myspace.com/pvre</a> <a href="http://www.heartchamberorchestra.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.heartchamberorchestra.org</a> <a href="http://www.trblnc.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.trblnc.org</a> "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858#post-95049 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:41:15 +0000 the_man361 95049@http://cycling74.com/forums/ wow, this looks pretty incredible. almost makes me want to switch over from cubase to live, but its just too different :P this kind of integration is great though "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858#post-95048 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:35:10 +0000 waveplant 95048@http://cycling74.com/forums/ it is indeed - thanks, and sorry for not being more specific. Quote: manuel wrote on Fri, 16 January 2009 11:30 ---------------------------------------------------- > Just to clarify, I think that Jeremy is talking about send~ and > receive~ for signals. Send & receive (control) just work fine between > several Live devices that are put in several Live tracks, just like > between two different patches in Max - if that is what you were > wondering about. > > _M > > > On 16 janv. 09, at 18:13, Jeremy Bernstein wrote: > > > > > Quote: waveplant wrote on Fri, 16 January 2009 18:07 > > ---------------------------------------------------- > >> thanks, jb - i know all of us are really excited about this and > >> your clarification is really helping. > >> > >> what about using send and receive between different patches on > >> different tracks in live? as long as everything is within the Max > >> For Live environment, will that type of communication work? > >> > >> > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > > > Sure, that will work. If you've ever tried something like that in > > Pluggo, you'll know that there can be unexpected behavior as a > > result (think about it: Live has, internally, some notion of a > > signal chain and send and receive can be used to circumvent the > > calculated order of operations in some cases, leading to unexpected > > results. I seem to remember that there can be latency issues when > > using send and receive in Pluggo, but that problem may not apply in > > M4L (we've made some improvements to the way multiple devices are > > scheduled)). > > > > Anyway, I use Pluggo here only as a ballpark reference. M4L has > > much, much more to it than Pluggo. > > > > jb > > ---------------------------------------------------- "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858#post-95047 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:30:27 +0000 manuel 95047@http://cycling74.com/forums/ Just to clarify, I think that Jeremy is talking about send~ and receive~ for signals. Send & receive (control) just work fine between several Live devices that are put in several Live tracks, just like between two different patches in Max - if that is what you were wondering about. _M On 16 janv. 09, at 18:13, Jeremy Bernstein wrote: > > Quote: waveplant wrote on Fri, 16 January 2009 18:07 > ---------------------------------------------------- >> thanks, jb - i know all of us are really excited about this and >> your clarification is really helping. >> >> what about using send and receive between different patches on >> different tracks in live? as long as everything is within the Max >> For Live environment, will that type of communication work? >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------- > > Sure, that will work. If you've ever tried something like that in > Pluggo, you'll know that there can be unexpected behavior as a > result (think about it: Live has, internally, some notion of a > signal chain and send and receive can be used to circumvent the > calculated order of operations in some cases, leading to unexpected > results. I seem to remember that there can be latency issues when > using send and receive in Pluggo, but that problem may not apply in > M4L (we've made some improvements to the way multiple devices are > scheduled)). > > Anyway, I use Pluggo here only as a ballpark reference. M4L has > much, much more to it than Pluggo. > > jb "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858#post-95046 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:29:54 +0000 Jeremy Bernstein 95046@http://cycling74.com/forums/ Quote: monohusche wrote on Fri, 16 January 2009 18:26 ---------------------------------------------------- > By the way, jeremy, not sure whether this was asked before, do you know about OSC support for Live 8 ? understanding you sitting here in Berlin :-) ---------------------------------------------------- Whatever I might know goes with me to my grave until such time as there has been a feature announcement confirming or denying said knowledge. You can certainly use OSC in Max for Live, though. jb "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858#post-95045 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:26:07 +0000 monohusche 95045@http://cycling74.com/forums/ I guess, the question is whether you want to do that (even if it is possible). The whole world is suddenly becoming not just more powerful but also more complex, and at the end of the day, devices are still devices plugged into and interacting with a conductor getting fed information from him (and responding). I guess, it will take alot of time to master that new complexity even without randomly interconnected devices...but then again, go ahead ;-) I am interested in the initial stability of that huge thing.... By the way, jeremy, not sure whether this was asked before, do you know about OSC support for Live 8 ? understanding you sitting here in Berlin :-) "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858#post-95044 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:13:11 +0000 Jeremy Bernstein 95044@http://cycling74.com/forums/ Quote: waveplant wrote on Fri, 16 January 2009 18:07 ---------------------------------------------------- > thanks, jb - i know all of us are really excited about this and your clarification is really helping. > > what about using send and receive between different patches on different tracks in live? as long as everything is within the Max For Live environment, will that type of communication work? > > ---------------------------------------------------- Sure, that will work. If you've ever tried something like that in Pluggo, you'll know that there can be unexpected behavior as a result (think about it: Live has, internally, some notion of a signal chain and send and receive can be used to circumvent the calculated order of operations in some cases, leading to unexpected results. I seem to remember that there can be latency issues when using send and receive in Pluggo, but that problem may not apply in M4L (we've made some improvements to the way multiple devices are scheduled)). Anyway, I use Pluggo here only as a ballpark reference. M4L has much, much more to it than Pluggo. jb jb "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858#post-95043 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:07:26 +0000 waveplant 95043@http://cycling74.com/forums/ thanks, jb - i know all of us are really excited about this and your clarification is really helping. what about using send and receive between different patches on different tracks in live? as long as everything is within the Max For Live environment, will that type of communication work? "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858#post-95042 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:20:13 +0000 dodgeroo 95042@http://cycling74.com/forums/ I think one of the best (and simplest) things about this is that we can now patch live without the audio clipping in and out with each signal patch chord. A huge leap for live Maxing. Cheers, Carey "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858#post-95041 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 14:45:59 +0000 strimbob 95041@http://cycling74.com/forums/ wow!!!! you have enable so many different types of practice! "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858#post-95040 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 14:37:44 +0000 Jeremy Bernstein 95040@http://cycling74.com/forums/ Quote: strimbob wrote on Fri, 16 January 2009 15:36 ---------------------------------------------------- > this looks brill!!! > > will you be able to use jitter in side live?, > if this is the case it will be the best news of all time, > but either way it will be the best > > mint ---------------------------------------------------- yes. jb "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858#post-95039 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 14:36:25 +0000 strimbob 95039@http://cycling74.com/forums/ this looks brill!!! will you be able to use jitter in side live?, if this is the case it will be the best news of all time, but either way it will be the best mint "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858#post-95038 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 13:31:45 +0000 Jeremy Bernstein 95038@http://cycling74.com/forums/ Quote: Jabbo wrote on Fri, 16 January 2009 14:16 ---------------------------------------------------- > Great,this is great in both ways, Max for Live and Live for Max. > My questions are many, from the fact that it looks like a new instrument definition for example, to more practical ones: > > 1) Are send and receives objects going to be global, which means that I could have timing data/signals/whatever shared amongst Max for Live Devices for example, and a Max patch running?For example allowing me to bypass MIDI sync signals? > Or will it be an "only in Live" thing? Live (+ any hosted libraries, incl. M4L) and Max are two separate processes and don't share memory. That means that things like send and receive will NOT work for communication between Live and Max. Naturally, send and receive work fine within the Max Device context, though -- devices can conceivably talk to one another, although if you've ever tried that in Pluggo, you probably know that there are caveats. OTOH, you can send network signals (udpsend/udpreceive, for instance) between processes... > 2) Will certain objects such as hi be available directly in the Live environment, and the possibility of using them directly inside a Live project? I haven't tested this specifically, but there's no reason why it wouldn't work. jb "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858#post-95037 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 13:23:28 +0000 AS 95037@http://cycling74.com/forums/ Allright... Cool! All we have to do now is wait for a releasedate ;) BTW if there are people like me wanting to know how much the APC40 controller is going to cost. I've just seen in a sonicstate.com video that the expected price is 399 euro/dollar and is released in may. Wilco On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Emmanuel Jourdan <c74-mailinglists@e--j.com > wrote: > There's an object called live.drop intendeed for that purpose. > > ej > > > On 16 janv. 09, at 13:30, wilco alkema <wilco.alkema@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Jeremy, >> >> Thanks for all the info you are feeding to us.. >> >> I've got just one quick question. >> >> Would it be possible to drag a audio clip into a buffer located in a >> MaxforLive device? >> That would be great for all granular and beatslicing, etc stuff.... >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> Wilco >> >> >> > "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858#post-95036 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 13:16:47 +0000 Jabbo 95036@http://cycling74.com/forums/ Great,this is great in both ways, Max for Live and Live for Max. My questions are many, from the fact that it looks like a new instrument definition for example, to more practical ones: 1) Are send and receives objects going to be global, which means that I could have timing data/signals/whatever shared amongst Max for Live Devices for example, and a Max patch running?For example allowing me to bypass MIDI sync signals? Or will it be an "only in Live" thing? 2) Will certain objects such as hi be available directly in the Live environment, and the possibility of using them directly inside a Live project? , wha so many!!! Any way I make my compliments, and I cannot wait too long, as many I use both extensively and I am burning for it! thanks! "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858#post-95035 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:48:36 +0000 Emmanuel Jourdan 95035@http://cycling74.com/forums/ There's an object called live.drop intendeed for that purpose. ej On 16 janv. 09, at 13:30, wilco alkema <wilco.alkema@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Jeremy, > > Thanks for all the info you are feeding to us.. > > I've got just one quick question. > > Would it be possible to drag a audio clip into a buffer located in a > MaxforLive device? > That would be great for all granular and beatslicing, etc stuff.... > > Cheers, > > > Wilco > > "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858#post-95034 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:30:14 +0000 AS 95034@http://cycling74.com/forums/ Hi Jeremy, Thanks for all the info you are feeding to us.. I've got just one quick question. Would it be possible to drag a audio clip into a buffer located in a MaxforLive device? That would be great for all granular and beatslicing, etc stuff.... Cheers, Wilco "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858#post-95033 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 11:56:54 +0000 Jeremy Bernstein 95033@http://cycling74.com/forums/ Quote: marlon brando wrote on Fri, 16 January 2009 12:47 ---------------------------------------------------- > Quote: Jeremy Bernstein wrote on Thu, 15 January 2009 20:07 > ---------------------------------------------------- > > Quote: Ben Casey wrote on Fri, 16 January 2009 03:52 > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > > Jeremy, congrats on your fantastic work! So I think i understand you correctly. If i own Max 4.6 and was thinking of upgrading to 5 however i'll most likely never use Max outside of Live again, then it's better to just save my money and buy the Max for live addon. as it's a full version of Max 5 and the only limits are that it only works while in Live. > > > > > > I only need the MAx 5 upgrade license if I ever plan to program outside of Live? > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > > > That is correct. > > > > jb > ---------------------------------------------------- > > I have Max/MSP but will also only use it within Live, > > Should I sell my Max/MSP lisence? > > > Cheers ---------------------------------------------------- That's between you and your spiritual advisor. jb "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858#post-95032 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 11:47:03 +0000 marlon brando 95032@http://cycling74.com/forums/ Quote: Jeremy Bernstein wrote on Thu, 15 January 2009 20:07 ---------------------------------------------------- > Quote: Ben Casey wrote on Fri, 16 January 2009 03:52 > ---------------------------------------------------- > > Jeremy, congrats on your fantastic work! So I think i understand you correctly. If i own Max 4.6 and was thinking of upgrading to 5 however i'll most likely never use Max outside of Live again, then it's better to just save my money and buy the Max for live addon. as it's a full version of Max 5 and the only limits are that it only works while in Live. > > > > I only need the MAx 5 upgrade license if I ever plan to program outside of Live? > ---------------------------------------------------- > > That is correct. > > jb ---------------------------------------------------- I have Max/MSP but will also only use it within Live, Should I sell my Max/MSP lisence? Cheers "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858#post-95031 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 11:20:11 +0000 Jeremy Bernstein 95031@http://cycling74.com/forums/ Quote: f.e wrote on Fri, 16 January 2009 12:06 ---------------------------------------------------- > Awesome ! Thanks for the hard work ! It's Christmas in January. > > A couple of questions in order to understand if we will definitely be > able to compose music using Live as a timeline : > > 1 - how do a Max based step sequencer interact with a Live track in the > timeline ? do we see the notes / patterns created with it on a Live midi > track ? or does it work like FL Studio when it's loaded as a plugin in a > host ? > 2 - do Live have a text based track that could send message to a Max patch ? ---------------------------------------------------- 1) Think of Live as being 'the hardware' which sits behind "midiin", "midiout", "plugin~" and "plugout~". If you build a step sequencer instrument for Live (as we have), timing info comes in (via the ITM system -- the "transport" object is locked to the Live transport), MIDI comes in from Live via "notein" or whatever, and your Device responds as you have programmed it. If you define note sequences in the Device, you can use several methods -- Live presets are probably the best one -- to save and restore these. If you really wanted to create a new MIDI clip with the note content you've defined in your Device, this will also be possible using the Live API objects (live.path, live.object, live.observer), but that wouldn't be the simplest of solutions. 2) No, Live sends MIDI, audio and timing data to your patch. If you want your patch to receive a message at 3.4.142, have it respond to that time, or have it respond to a MIDI message which arrives then in some fashion. jb "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858#post-95030 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 11:06:16 +0000 f.e 95030@http://cycling74.com/forums/ "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858#post-95029 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 10:50:49 +0000 nick rothwell / cassiel 95029@http://cycling74.com/forums/ On 16 Jan 2009, at 10:44, Jeremy Bernstein wrote: > Without going into great detail about what it is or how it works, we > have a solution for dealing with 'project management' and search > paths which will minimize the portability problems. Vague and > reassuring enough? Yes - I can indeed confirm that I feel vaguely reassured. Great piece of work, by the way. -- N. 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Said project files can then be > shared, and (presumably) instruments can be moved between projects in > the manner that tracks (with instruments) can be dragged between > projects at the moment. > > How does this square with Max's orientation to a file system, with > search paths, named sub-patchers, and a whole chunk of API dedicated > to locating files and normalising filenames? If Max for Live cannot > handle poly~ then it becomes a bit awkward to build polysynths for it > - but poly~ has something of a dependency on file lookup. Ditto the > FFT stuff, replicated bpatchers, and so on. ---------------------------------------------------- As long as it's acknowledged that we sleep sometimes, I don't think there's a problem! :) Without going into great detail about what it is or how it works, we have a solution for dealing with 'project management' and search paths which will minimize the portability problems. Vague and reassuring enough? jb "Max for Live"? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=17858#post-95027 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 10:36:32 +0000 nick rothwell / cassiel 95027@http://cycling74.com/forums/ On 16 Jan 2009, at 02:31, Jeremy Bernstein wrote: > Does that make sense? I know you're going to be sick of questions soon (if not already): here's mine. Ableton's video suggests that Max is available inside Live as an editor extension so that instruments embedded in Live project files can be altered and saved in place. Said project files can then be shared, and (presumably) instruments can be moved between projects in the manner that tracks (with instruments) can be dragged between projects at the moment. How does this square with Max's orientation to a file system, with search paths, named sub-patchers, and a whole chunk of API dedicated to locating files and normalising filenames? If Max for Live cannot handle poly~ then it becomes a bit awkward to build polysynths for it - but poly~ has something of a dependency on file lookup. Ditto the FFT stuff, replicated bpatchers, and so on. -- N. Nick Rothwell / Cassiel.com Limited <a href="http://www.cassiel.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.cassiel.com</a> <a href="http://www.myspace.com/cassieldotcom" rel="nofollow">http://www.myspace.com/cassieldotcom</a> <a href="http://www.last.fm/music/cassiel" rel="nofollow">http://www.last.fm/music/cassiel</a> <a href="http://www.reverbnation.com/cassiel" rel="nofollow">http://www.reverbnation.com/cassiel</a> <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/cassiel" rel="nofollow">http://www.linkedin.com/in/cassiel</a> <a href="http://www.loadbang.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.loadbang.net</a>