5.0.1

Apr 26, 2008 at 9:47pm

5.0.1

Just letting everyone know if you hadn’t noticed that the 5.0.1 update is now available. Changes here (which you can now also access from the Help menu within Max):

http://www.cycling74.com/version/version_5_0_1.html

David Z.

PS…

– Pasted Max Patch, click to expand. –
#37281
Apr 26, 2008 at 10:37pm

– Pasted Max Patch, click to expand. –
#128719
Apr 26, 2008 at 10:50pm

yeah that definitely human readable now!

How do you access the updates from the help file? I can’t find it anywhere… so I’m using safari, suppose I could use jweb..

pelado

#128720
Apr 26, 2008 at 11:02pm

You Cyclists are incredibly fast. Thank you for the update!

#128721
Apr 27, 2008 at 1:15am

thanx

i havent noticed

#128722
Apr 27, 2008 at 3:09am

Hi,

Installation on Win XP SP2 still hangs. Been waiting a long time since the progress meter reached the end.

#128723
Apr 27, 2008 at 3:11am

It seems to involve an MSI62.tmp process with the description: CopyInf x32 iLok Driver Install Application. I remember something similar happening with 4.6.2.

#128724
Apr 27, 2008 at 4:59am

The “key” object still outputs only ASCII values and no Key Code values. Can anyone else confirm that, or is it just me?

#128725
Apr 27, 2008 at 5:06am

And while I’m at it, the transport object is a fabulous new creation, but I would love for it to have multiple argument capabilities. (I’m working on a piece now that has…goes to count…45 transports already : )

Eli

#128726
Apr 27, 2008 at 5:08am

Quote: Eli wrote on Sun, 27 April 2008 01:06
—————————————————-
> And while I’m at it, the transport object is a fabulous new creation, but I would love for it to have multiple argument capabilities. (I’m working on a piece now that has…goes to count…45 transports already : )
>
> Eli
—————————————————-

Meant “timepoint” objects. My mistake.

#128727
Apr 27, 2008 at 5:33am

On Apr 26, 2008, at 10:08 PM, Eli Stine wrote:
>
> Quote: Eli wrote on Sun, 27 April 2008 01:06
> —————————————————-
>> And while I’m at it, the transport object is a fabulous new
>> creation, but I would love for it to have multiple argument
>> capabilities. (I’m working on a piece now that has…goes to
>> count…45 transports already : )
>>
>> Eli
> —————————————————-
>
> Meant “timepoint” objects. My mistake.

I haven’t done this, but you should be able to fill a coll with times,
and when a timepoint hits its time, it loads the next one from the coll.

-C

Chris Muir
cbm@well.com

http://www.xfade.com

#128728
Apr 27, 2008 at 9:48am

On Apr 26, 2008, at 10:33 PM, Chris Muir wrote:
> I haven’t done this, but you should be able to fill a coll with
> times, and when a timepoint hits its time, it loads the next one
> from the coll.

This technique works pretty well, actually. This is a little quick and
dirty, but:

– Pasted Max Patch, click to expand. –

Chris Muir
cbm@well.com

http://www.xfade.com

#128729
Apr 27, 2008 at 9:54am

On 26 Apr 2008, at 23:37, Mattijs Kneppers wrote:

>
> ———-begin_max5_patcher———-
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(etc.)

I’m starting to think the “b” keyboard shortcut was a bad idea…

Nick Rothwell – nick@cassiel.comhttp://www.cassiel.com
— open-source goodies for MaxMSP: Python, Groovy, Nixie Tubes,
— rotatable text bricks, databases: all at http://www.loadbang.net

This post seems to contain a broken pasted patch. This can happen if you don’t copy the entire “———-begin_max5_patcher———-” or “———–end_max5_patcher———–” for each and every patch you paste; perhaps you missed a preceding or trailing “-” when you copied the patch? Please notify the Cycling 74 web team if you think it is a bug.

#128730
Apr 27, 2008 at 10:47am

mine failed to start because the side by side configuration is incorrect? is there something Im supposed to do with all that code for the first two posts?

#128731
Apr 27, 2008 at 11:14am

Quote: nick rothwell / cassiel wrote on Sun, 27 April 2008 11:54
—————————————————-
>
> On 26 Apr 2008, at 23:37, Mattijs Kneppers wrote:
>
> >
> > ———-begin_max5_patcher———-
> > 8674.3ocyc10qXbacE8YoeEF5Y2hgecHY+qDXTH6Z35hXo.G4hDDj+68ZcIu
> > E80tOa30KJvWICqrvLad3Lyh6+w6e2G99O+29w+5G9l+su4O8Mu6c+i2+t28
>
> (etc.)
>
> I’m starting to think the “b” keyboard shortcut was a bad idea…
>
>
>

So, I don’t have a life. So? :p

Oh my, Wallace is going to hate me for this..

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zGc9luT0n5mxF6B.IY6QgFy4atW.HIaOJzPNeyc0NHgaQg9ny2rulQptEkL4
CDxV5SMEshv6VTxjauJPT9WQHr+tu8s+y29+ABBSzfB
———–end_max5_patcher———–

This post seems to contain a broken pasted patch. This can happen if you don’t copy the entire “———-begin_max5_patcher———-” or “———–end_max5_patcher———–” for each and every patch you paste; perhaps you missed a preceding or trailing “-” when you copied the patch? Please notify the Cycling 74 web team if you think it is a bug.

#128732
Apr 27, 2008 at 11:28am

On 27 Apr 2008, at 12:14, Mattijs Kneppers wrote:
> Oh my, Wallace is going to hate me for this..

At this rate, we won’t need Jitter any more.

– N.

Nick Rothwell / Cassiel.com Limited
http://www.cassiel.com
http://www.myspace.com/cassieldotcom
http://www.last.fm/music/cassiel
http://www.reverbnation.com/cassiel
http://www.linkedin.com/in/cassiel
http://www.loadbang.net

#128733
Apr 27, 2008 at 1:24pm

I wanna be cool too!

#128734
Apr 27, 2008 at 2:11pm

Quote: nick rothwell / cassiel wrote on Sun, 27 April 2008 13:28
—————————————————-
> At this rate, we won’t need Jitter any more.
>

You didn’t think I did those by hand, did you? ;)

Mattijs

#128735
Apr 27, 2008 at 4:07pm

>It seems to involve an MSI62.tmp process with the description: >CopyInf x32 iLok Driver Install Application. I remember something >similar happening with 4.6.2.

Disable your network interfaces while installing ( take out ethernet cable, etc)

It’s a Pace issue, sorry about that.

-A

#128736
Apr 27, 2008 at 4:47pm

– Pasted Max Patch, click to expand. –
#128737
Apr 27, 2008 at 6:19pm

“Export as ASCII art” option in the file menu?

#128738
Apr 27, 2008 at 6:44pm

Quote: mathieu.chamagne wrote on Sun, 27 April 2008 18:47
—————————————————-
> ———-begin_max5_patcher———-
> 7494.3oc6c11ahjjj.9yt+UfX6OrqjOO46UV2Ic51+.mz8sa0NqZgMU6gavf
> Wftm9lU6+8snhrLEtgfvMEUF1NtSCqarARhmHyLdKi7e7gqFe6xuUsd7n+8Q

So.. who will be the first one to make a 3D engine with buttons?

This post seems to contain a broken pasted patch. This can happen if you don’t copy the entire “———-begin_max5_patcher———-” or “———–end_max5_patcher———–” for each and every patch you paste; perhaps you missed a preceding or trailing “-” when you copied the patch? Please notify the Cycling 74 web team if you think it is a bug.

#128739
Apr 28, 2008 at 1:45am

Mattijs Kneppers wrote:

> Oh my, Wallace is going to hate me for this..

You know, to be honest, it’s not an emotional, personal thing for me at
all. I know you’re only joking here, Mattijs, but I wanted to make this
clear…

We all have different working habits and nothing is going to suit
everyone perfectly. When implementing policy and making suggestions,
we’re going for what’s best not just for the bulk of today’s users, but
also with a nod to archiving this discussion for tomorrow’s searchers,
not to mention non-forum/list posting needs for certain features.

Myself, I still think that patches longer than oh, say 20-30 lines
should be posted as attachments. Yes, I understand your reasons for why
you don’t like this, but I can’t really believe how personally some have
taken this request. You are not going to like every single thing we do,
and believe me, the more hyperbolic the response, the less likely it is
to be taken seriously. If you want results, show some respect and
consideration and stop declaring that we haven’t done the same. That’s a
personal request from Wallace Winfrey the person, not Wallace Winfrey
the Cycling 74 employee (actually most of this email is basically a
reflection of my personal thoughts rather than some expression of
official company policy).

A thoughtful, considerate response that explains your objections clearly
sent via private email will get one SO much more mileage than a
sarcastic, thinly-veiled F-U posted to the forum/list. I know I’ve
posted this sentiment in various ways over the years, but I guess some
people just aren’t built in a way to respond accordingly. The other
thing it could be is that some just think I’m a bot, a cold unfeeling
Terminator dishing out C74 policy like so much hot lead. I assure you
that my programming was not oriented that way in the least – I’m way
more C-3PO than T-1000 ;-)

That said, let me just say that I’m trying to figure out if there is a
way to turn compressed Max 5 patches into human-readable JSON format in
the browser. Perhaps there’s a way to build a Firefox/Thunderbird plugin
to accomplish this, I dunno. If you’ve got some experience with building
these things or would like to take a crack it, contact me off-list.

Yes, I know a Firefox/Thunderbird plugin would not solve this issue for
Mail.app/Safari users. Or Opera users. It might not even be feasible at
all, but I *know* that there has to be some way out there that we can
make patches immediately readable and usable while not cluttering up the
forum archives with endless code scrolling of JSON structures. I also
know that whatever we come up with, it’s not going to suit at least one
person’s needs in the least. After all, there’s no such thing as a free
lunch.

thanks for reading,

w

#128740
Apr 28, 2008 at 2:48am

My 2c:

The old 4.x max-text format isn’t really all that readable anyway. So as long as the new (compressed) format can be copied and pasted into Max 5, making it (vaguely) human-readable in the forum seems like an awful lot of effort and space for not that much semantic return.

20-30 lines maximum seems a little short, my personal threshold is more like 1-2 screens deep.

Attachments are much less likely to encourage me to download, decompress and open them, by comparison. I usually just skip them.

#128741
Apr 28, 2008 at 3:07am

agree completely.

copy compressed is a very elegant solution to the problem. i for one am very appreciative.

it seemed most people were concerned about having to attach patches, and not being able to post inline.
being able to read the patch inline does not seem like a major benefit, or worth all that much time and effort.

of course imho…

-rob

#128742
Apr 28, 2008 at 3:57am

John Pitcairn wrote:

> Attachments are much less likely to encourage me to download, decompress and open them, by comparison.

See for me, clicking a patch that’s been attached to a forum message and
having Max 5 open it up seems pretty easy and painless, especially if I
don’t have Max running. It definitely seems like less work than
selecting the patch text, copying it to my clipboard, possibly launching
Max, then hitting Ctrl-Alt-N. I don’t presume to think that my working
habits are like others, but this is where I’m coming from.

> being able to read the patch inline does not seem like a major
benefit, or worth all that much time and effort.

Making it happen definitely will not be taking up much of *my* time,
hence the request for someone, for whom this feature might be really
important, to figure out a solution, with as much support as I can give
them short of doing any programming myself.

Mostly I just want clean, easy-to-navigate discussion archives. Large
inline patches, and especially, quoted-in-the-reply large inline
patches, run counter to this goal.

cheers

w

#128743
Apr 28, 2008 at 6:45am

Eli Stine schrieb:
> The “key” object still outputs only ASCII values and no Key Code
> values. Can anyone else confirm that, or is it just me? –

They just accidentially happen to be the same as american ascii. Hold
the shift key and you see a difference. I think it has to be mentioned
in the help file that the codes them self differ form old Max versions.
But there they were not of much use as they differed also form country
to country…

Maybe an extra subpatcher [p where are my old keycodes?] with an
embedded coll for old keycode translations…

I love it the way it is, but that’s only because I stopped using
keycodes at all after the switch to OS X…

Stefan


Stefan Tiedje————x——-
–_____———–|————–
–(_|_ —-|—–|—–()——-
– _|_)—-|—–()————–
———-()——–www.ccmix.com

#128744
Apr 28, 2008 at 7:03am

Wallace Winfrey schrieb:
> That said, let me just say that I’m trying to figure out if there is a
> way to turn compressed Max 5 patches into human-readable JSON format in
> the browser. Perhaps there’s a way to build a Firefox/Thunderbird plugin
> to accomplish this, I dunno.

I think there is no need to have the inline postings in a human readable
format. Everybody has the translator at home, as Max 5 is turning it
immediately into a patch. I was so happy when I saw that, finally Max 5
patches are even smaller in the list than ever before…

What could be interesting is an automated way for the formum to display
these patches as picture.
Though I think also for the forum it has to be possible to copy paste
them in the first place. Thats the whole point about having them inline.

But imagine you parse the mail, find a patch, send it to Max, Max opens
the patch, and make a screenshot to place it on the site…. But I guess
its not worth the hassle and would eat space for not too much benefits…

For reading posts on the forum, I could also imagine a limited space for
any post, and a [read more] button to see all, (and a [copy patch to
clipboard] button if its possible… ;-)


Stefan Tiedje————x——-
–_____———–|————–
–(_|_ —-|—–|—–()——-
– _|_)—-|—–()————–
———-()——–www.ccmix.com

#128745
Apr 28, 2008 at 10:31am

Just to let everyone know that I absolutely agree that it is bad habit to paste long pieces of text inline on a forum.

It was really just this thread and that I think it’s kindof funny that the solution to keep the forums readable induces extra long posts with creative spam.

Also, I did notice that posts with attachments generally get less attention than posts with inline patches. Like Wallace, I’m perfectly ok with attachments, but appearantly, as John states, there are usability issues that make people prefer not to open new programs, create extra files on their desktop, etc.

Mattijs

Quote: wallace winfrey wrote on Mon, 28 April 2008 03:45
—————————————————-
> Mattijs Kneppers wrote:
>
> > Oh my, Wallace is going to hate me for this..
>
> You know, to be honest, it’s not an emotional, personal thing for me at
> all. I know you’re only joking here, Mattijs, but I wanted to make this
> clear…
>
> We all have different working habits and nothing is going to suit
> everyone perfectly. When implementing policy and making suggestions,
> we’re going for what’s best not just for the bulk of today’s users, but
> also with a nod to archiving this discussion for tomorrow’s searchers,
> not to mention non-forum/list posting needs for certain features.
>

#128746
Apr 28, 2008 at 2:18pm

i seem to be missing something obvious… how do I open these max5
patchers from text? i tried the old ‘open from clipboard’ thing but i
can’t seem to get it to work

Cheers,

Carey

#128747
Apr 28, 2008 at 3:36pm

Quote: dodgeroo wrote on Mon, 28 April 2008 16:18
—————————————————-
> i seem to be missing something obvious… how do I open these max5
> patchers from text? i tried the old ‘open from clipboard’ thing but i
> can’t seem to get it to work
>
> Cheers,
>
> Carey

Did you, by any chance, forget to also copy the lines

– Pasted Max Patch, click to expand. –

together with the cryptic code?

Mattijs

#128748
Apr 28, 2008 at 3:46pm

Wallace, thanks for putting this into words. I look at this list as
a community of professionals (including students and newbies). My
wife was asked by her principal to post rules in her classroom. She
covered everything with a single rule – “RESPECT”

I’ve had difficulty with attachments in the past. Many of my
correspondents outside this list send me all sorts of things as
attachments and I regularly send zip files to almost everyone else
with success. A case in point is the recent post about csound. It
would have been so much nicer to simply uncompress a zip archive to a
folder where all of the components are named and ready to try than to
separate them by hand.

Among my pet peeves are (in just the last 72 hours)
messages of thanks when you can’t tell who and what solved a problem
(I often want to revisit a thread when I read of a “brilliant”
solution)
questions about things covered in the most basic documentation -
(I’ve reposted my list of resources and some suggestions for daily
“practice.”)
suggestions that some of us should do something specific to make it
easier NOT to do homework
(some of already have! there are many overview patches and thesaurII)

Cheers
Gary Lee Nelson
TIMARA Department
Oberlin College
http://www.timara.oberlin.edu/GaryLeeNelson

#128749
Apr 28, 2008 at 4:50pm

nope… I tried all permutations of copy and paste. i then updated to
5.0.1 and now it works?

oh well, it works now.

Cheers,

Carey

#128750
Apr 28, 2008 at 5:00pm

I can not paste these code examples. Do I have to have 5.01
installed to do this? Also, do I need to uninstall 5.0
before installing 5.01?

#128751
Apr 28, 2008 at 5:31pm

#128752
Apr 28, 2008 at 5:39pm

Yes. Copy/Paste for Compressed max patchers is new in 5.0.1.

-Joshua

#128753
Apr 28, 2008 at 5:52pm

Anthony Palomba wrote:
> I can not paste these code examples. Do I have to have 5.01
> installed to do this? Also, do I need to uninstall 5.0
> before installing 5.01?

Compressed copy was introduced with 5.0.1, so yes, you need to have it
installed in order to use a patch posted in this format.

You do not need to uninstall 5.0 you can install 5.0.1 over the top of it.

cheers

w

#128754
Apr 28, 2008 at 6:54pm

Thanks so much! This is great! I’m looking forward to update when I get back home. I’m already noticing that my workflow is a lot faster with 5.

lots of <3 & energy & things

#128755
Apr 29, 2008 at 7:34am

Wallace Winfrey schrieb:
> See for me, clicking a patch that’s been attached to a forum message and
> having Max 5 open it up seems pretty easy and painless, especially if I
> don’t have Max running.

I am running Thunderbird. Do you know how I can teach thunderbird to let
a .maxpat attachment, which seems to be interpreted as MIME type of bin,
to open Max? I have no idea, it doesn’t seem possible to add to the
actions of thunderbird in the preferences…
If anybody knows how to do that, please give me a hint, even the
thunderbird forums don’t seem to know (or I am too bad in searching
forums)…

I am on OS X 10.4.11 and the latest Thunderbird…

Stefan


Stefan Tiedje————x——-
–_____———–|————–
–(_|_ —-|—–|—–()——-
– _|_)—-|—–()————–
———-()——–www.ccmix.com

#128756
Apr 29, 2008 at 8:40am

there is this extension :

https://nic-nac-project.org/~kaosmos/index-en.html#openattach

i havent tried it myself but i’ve heard it works :)

#128757

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