about max on macintel

Apr 9, 2006 at 11:23am

about max on macintel

hello,

this might be a stupid question but i went through the forum without fully undestand.

does max/msp run on the new macintel? if it does, is there any issue i should be aware of?

thanks in advance for enlight me

jigen

#25418
Apr 9, 2006 at 12:20pm

Hi,

I have been trying max/msp/jitter on a MacBookPro, it seems to work fine.
The only problem so far is the Java Virtual Machine which is not installed
by default on the MBP. Also, I think I read recently on this list that it is
not possible to compile externals.

I’d be glad to have more precisions though.

thanks,

jb

#74812
Apr 9, 2006 at 1:46pm

Jean-Baptiste,

Is it possible to install the Java Virtual Machine you are talking
about? Where can we find it?
Thank you,
Philippe

#74813
Apr 9, 2006 at 1:58pm

On 9-Apr-2006, at 14:20, Jean-Baptiste Thiebaut wrote:
> I think I read recently on this list that it is not possible to
> compile externals.

C’est ne pas vrai.
Ain’t so.
Nicht wahr.

XCode has idiosyncracies, as it has since forever. But it can work.
Ironically, CodeWarrior (under Rosetta) feels a good deal snappier
than native XCode. Of course, XCode is the only option for UniBins.

– P.

————– http://www.bek.no/~pcastine/Litter/ ————-
Peter Castine +–> Litter Power & Litter Bundle for Jitter

iCE: Sequencing, Recording & |home | chez nous|
Interface Building for |bei uns | i nostri|
Max/MSP Extremely cool http://www.castine.de

http://www.dspaudio.com/

#74814
Apr 9, 2006 at 6:15pm

While waiting for an Universal Binary of Max for OSX you can always intall windows on your MacBook and use the Windows version of Max.

#74815
Apr 10, 2006 at 10:15am

#74816
Apr 11, 2006 at 7:40pm

Quote: Peter Castine wrote on Mon, 10 April 2006 03:15
—————————————————-

> Dare I ask if anyone has tried installing an OEM XP onto Boot Camp?
> Purely out of academic interest. The scholarly mind is curious.
>

I just installed Boot Camp and XP on my Macbook last night. I believe it’s a retail version of XP Pro SP2.

Anyhow, things are working great, quite quick. Certainly quicker than rosetta!

mzed

#74817
Apr 11, 2006 at 8:04pm

>
> I just installed Boot Camp and XP on my Macbook last night. I believe it’s
> a retail version of XP Pro SP2.
>
>
why would anyone want to install windows on a mac? this is a serious
question by the way!!


robin

#74818
Apr 11, 2006 at 8:15pm

games.

#74819
Apr 11, 2006 at 8:19pm

Quote: robin wrote on Tue, 11 April 2006 13:04
—————————————————-
> >
> > I just installed Boot Camp and XP on my Macbook last night. I believe it’s
> > a retail version of XP Pro SP2.
> >
> >
> why would anyone want to install windows on a mac? this is a serious
> question by the way!!
>

Part of my job involves creating Max patches and objects for public use, and compiling for both platforms. It’s nice to only have one computer for that.

I also develop web content. Again, nice to check with Windows IE on the same computer.

Blue is my favorite color.

The university I work for is very slow at supporting Macs. Often, access to things like the finance system requires a PC.

I haven’t played computer games in a while, but I hear there are more for the PC.

There’s every reason to think that realtime applications, like Max-MSP-Jitter will be faster under windows on the same hardware.

I can learn more about viruses and security running XP than I can with OSX. (Although, I think the OSX development community should be shaping up soon.)

mzed

#74820
Apr 11, 2006 at 8:31pm

On 11 Apr 2006, at 21:19, mzed wrote:

> There’s every reason to think that realtime applications, like Max-
> MSP-Jitter will be faster under windows on the same hardware.

Faster under Windows than native under OS X/Intel? How so?

nick rothwell — composition, systems, performance — http://
http://www.cassiel.com

#74821
Apr 11, 2006 at 8:31pm

i see. that wasn’t a sarcastic question, i honestly wondered. i guess there
are benefits, but it seemed to me a strange move to enable it. could you
imagine microsoft encouraging people to install os x on pc’s?!


robin

#74822
Apr 11, 2006 at 9:25pm

On Apr 11, 2006, at 1:31 PM, robin foster wrote:

> i see. that wasn’t a sarcastic question, i honestly wondered. i
> guess there are benefits, but it seemed to me a strange move to
> enable it. could you imagine microsoft encouraging people to
> install os x on pc’s?!

Of course not, since MS doesn’t make PCs, however it has been much
discussed that Dell would like to offer OS X on Dell hardware.

If you’re really curious there are a billion online discussions to
this extent. Personally, as a cross platform developer, I’m very much
looking forward to only needing one machine to perform cross platform
development and testing.

Btw, in our tests so far, some things will be faster under XP and
some things will be faster under OS X running native Max/MSP/Jitter
on the same MacTel hardware. Different compilers, different operating
systems, different driver models, and differing levels of QT, OpenGL,
etc. support leads to differing performance even on the same HW. For
some applications you might want XP for maximum performance, for
others OS X.

-Joshua

#74823
Apr 11, 2006 at 10:39pm

On 11-Apr-2006, at 22:04, robin foster wrote:

> why would anyone want to install windows on a mac? this is a
> serious question by the way!!

Serious answer: money.

Just to underscore the obvious: take a typical developer of externals
for Max/MSP.

Three simple questions.

1) How many platforms does he support?

- Two. (Actually three in my case, because I also support OS 9…
it’s pretty painless once you’re set up, but let’s be accurate).

2) How many computers does he need to have?

- Currently, for a variety of obscure reasons I won’t go into now,
I’m at four in my office, but call it two minimum.

3) How many computer does he want to have to finance?

- As few as possible to get the job done.

Believe me, it’s not like I enjoy staring at the BSOD. But if I can
reduce my hardware investment, it’s a no-brainer that I want to dual-
boot.

Nobody’s forcing anyone to install Windows on their Mac if they don’t
want it (not yet, anyway). But there are gazillions of people out
there for whom reducing the number of machines they have to work with
is nothing short of a godsend. For larger software shops, this can
make a difference in the 8-digit ballpark, maybe even more.

BTW, who wins, who loses in the dual-boot game? Apple (whose machines
can now dual-boot) or Dell & Co.?

OK, I lied, it was four questions.

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http://www.dspaudio.com/

#74824
Apr 11, 2006 at 11:03pm

i’ve started something pretty big here! must stop with the flippant comments
on mailing lists :)

ive only recently made the move from pc to mac, having used a pc at home at
a mac at college/uni for the past four years.
the thought of having to go back to windows now, despite the fact i am still
a hell of a lot more familiar with it, is not pleasant. in fact every time i
have to use my pc i feel anger building. granted, i can see that there
obviously are many reasons for dual booting. I just imagined the i-pod
generation all spending close to two grand on a shiny new laptop and
installing xp on it, without being away of an alternative. i guess i just
wondered in what instances apple intended boot camp to be used. but yeah,
all that seems pretty obvious really. this is probably a subject for another
list. maybe i’ll be quiet now


robin

#74825
Apr 12, 2006 at 6:13am

Are you crazy ? We are thousand millions people who wants to do this.
It’s a real dream, you mean… Sincerly, what is a macintosh ? A
beautiful box, that’s all ! Your OS is *absolutely* useless but your
hardware is very pretty. So know, we just pull it out, and give it a new
soul.

f.e

#74826
Apr 12, 2006 at 6:17am

God, if you could spare a few bucks for “Oblivion” (The Elder’s Scroll
IV) you’ll be on your ass ! Astonishing graphics and very very good
game. So much progress in a few time. By the way, what’s the garphic
card inside ? An ATI X-something ?

f.e

#74827
Apr 12, 2006 at 6:31am

hahahaha!

Can’t we all just get along?!
They are different — both with strengths AND weaknesses. I personally
am excited about bootcamp for programs such as Adobe Audition (which is
very handy).

everyone calm down and have some tea…

michael

#74828
Apr 12, 2006 at 6:34am

For those who just get their first XP, i advice you, for your mental
sanity, to take care of your shell for it is, at the beginning, so ugly
that you couldn’t work on. That was one of the only reasons some windows
users were a little bit jealous of mac users.

So :

- install you a “mac like” dock (search for Y’z Dock)
- get some fancy tuning (Samurize.org)
- Search for pretty Visual Style replacements at DeviantArt.com (i
suggest to take a look first at the ones from http://www.4impressions.net
- hunt for a bunch of icons too (still at DeviantArt)

but for gods sake, don’t go on with the default Luna II style, you’ll
get sick.

cheers

f.e

http://skins.deviantart.com/windows/visualstyle/
http://browse.deviantart.com/icons/os/?view=1&order=5&am p;limit= 24
< http://browse.deviantart.com/icons/os/?view=1&order=5&am p;limit=24 >
http://www.samurize.com/modules/news/
http://www.4impressions.net < http://www.4impressions.net>

#74829
Apr 12, 2006 at 9:09am

beattles versus rolling’s again ?

jm

#74830
Apr 12, 2006 at 9:34am

Ach ! Today it would be The Strokes vs Libertines, unfortunately… Tout
fout le camp…

f.e

#74831
Apr 12, 2006 at 9:41am

>Ach ! Today it would be The Strokes vs Libertines, unfortunately…

ahhh that’s 2 different bands??? – i just thought just the promo
images changed!

kasper

#74832
Apr 12, 2006 at 9:55am

I am going to buy a MacBook to run Windows on… What do you want more,
the notebook with the most elegant design now able to run Windows :-)

#74833
Apr 12, 2006 at 10:26am

On 11 Apr 2006, at 23:39, Peter Castine wrote:

> BTW, who wins, who loses in the dual-boot game? Apple (whose
> machines can now dual-boot) or Dell & Co.?

Oh, I suspect Michael Dell had a bad day when Apple announced this.

Is it good for those of us who want to use OS X but not Windows?
Well, the scenarios I see are:

[good] if it means more Macs get sold, and new users start using OS X
rather than/as well as Windows;
[bad] if developers say “we aren’t supporting OS X, since your Mac
can run Windows”.

nick rothwell — composition, systems, performance — http://
http://www.cassiel.com

#74834
Apr 12, 2006 at 10:57am

in the other hand, is’nt anybody aware of OSX running on a usual intel based computer?
I so that once and it was quite unstable.
It was a developement version downloaded from the web before the macintel was released.
then it’is microsoft that is fu**ed up!
of course I don’t think apple people would like that as well.

//yac

#74835
Apr 12, 2006 at 2:11pm

On 12-Apr-2006, at 12:26, Nick Rothwell wrote:
> [bad] if developers say “we aren’t supporting OS X, since your Mac
> can run Windows”.

This is of course the horror scenario.

If we Mac users could force developers thinking along these lines to
give us a $299 discount on their Windows-on-Mac-solution to offset
the additional cost of the Windows license, then we might be safe.

– P.

————– http://www.bek.no/~pcastine/Litter/ ————-
Peter Castine +–> Litter Power & Litter Bundle for Jitter

iCE: Sequencing, Recording & |home | chez nous|
Interface Building for |bei uns | i nostri|
Max/MSP Extremely cool http://www.castine.de

http://www.dspaudio.com/

#74836
Apr 13, 2006 at 7:36am

all of this starts sounding a bit as if Apple had just digged their
grave by switching to intel to me. If there will be no hardware given
need for developpers to support MacOS they’ ll go for the most
currently used, no?
So, will Max 4.6 be multiplatform or purely Gates?
Titus

#74837
Apr 13, 2006 at 9:41am

Maybe it’s time for the list Moderator to install a max-musings-on-
intel-repercussions forum and we can move this stuff there.

Concrete experience with running Max/MSP/Jitter on different hardware/
OS configurations are useful and on-topic. Crystal-gazing is off-
topic and probably belongs in comp.sys.advocacy.*. (OK, OK, IMO.)
There’s already been plenty of analysis pro/con to read.

This is ultimately Wally’s call, but maybe people could at least
label off-topic posts OT (and save Wally some work, I’m sure he’s got
enough to do).

Thank you.

————– http://www.bek.no/~pcastine/Litter/ ————-
Peter Castine +–> Litter Power & Litter Bundle for Jitter

iCE: Sequencing, Recording & |home | chez nous|
Interface Building for |bei uns | i nostri|
Max/MSP Extremely cool http://www.castine.de

http://www.dspaudio.com/

#74838
Apr 14, 2006 at 3:45am

Apple costs way more then a dell.

9 out of 10 people buy Apples because it’s “stylish.” But the dad buying a home computer is going to buy the Dell family desktop. It’s way more economical right now. I mean, we pay $2000.00 for a laptop, and as soon as we open it, Apple releases one that is a little bit faster and bigger hard drive and better CPU and so on.

I really don’t think it’s going to change the market too drastically right now. Only thing I can imagine is that there will be more software/games coming out for both platforms since the arch isn’t that different now.

#74839
Apr 14, 2006 at 11:19am

Hey, wait a minute… every piece of hardware is essentially obsolete once it hits the shelves: pc, mac, dvd player, dish washer… Mac is only more obvious because they’re a single company with a relatively small product line.

J.

#74840
Apr 14, 2006 at 11:55am

David Gilbert wrote:
> 9 out of 10 people buy Apples because it’s “stylish.”

I only know these 1 out of 10 who buy apple for other reasons, could you
introduce me to the 9? … ;-)
Typically an opinion of someone who never used it…
Whenever I come across Windows I get frustrated because simple things
are complicated. Just watch an average Windows user search a file…
Or ask how often they reinstalled windows.
I just updated my Windows computer with a more recent virus protection
(very essential on that platform) and it rendered the machine useless.
Repair tools from Microsoft? Only expensive 3rd party ones available.
Fortunately there is also a Linux partition on that computer so the
machine is still usable… ;-)

If I have time for sure I’l get it running again, but I don’t have time
at the moment…

> But the dad buying a home computer is going to buy the Dell family
> desktop. It’s way more economical right now.

Yes, especially if you do not need to have it running. Its actually nice
if it fails sometimes to get the kids doing other things than gaming…

> I mean, we pay $2000.00 for a laptop, and as soon as we open it,
> Apple releases one that is a little bit faster and bigger hard drive
> and better CPU and so on.

You should switch to Atari then, the only company which never released a
faster version for 15 Years (maybe 10..) and they were really solid…
;-) But Dell for sure does the same.

Stefan

P.S. I just loovvveee platform wars, its so retro….

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#74841
Apr 14, 2006 at 8:27pm

> I only know these 1 out of 10 who buy apple for other reasons, could you
> introduce me to the 9? … ;-)

Move to LA for like 5 seconds and you’ll see them.

#74842
Apr 14, 2006 at 9:16pm

>> I only know these 1 out of 10 who buy apple for other reasons, could you
>> introduce me to the 9? … ;-)
>
>Move to LA for like 5 seconds and you’ll see them.

Wow – 1.8 good reasons per second for not moving to LA.
Fashion are for nerds :-0

#74843
Apr 14, 2006 at 9:58pm

Quote: Jakob Riis wrote on Fri, 14 April 2006 15:16
—————————————————-
> >> I only know these 1 out of 10 who buy apple for other reasons, could you
> >> introduce me to the 9? … ;-)
> >
> >Move to LA for like 5 seconds and you’ll see them.
>
> Wow – 1.8 good reasons per second for not moving to LA.
> Fashion are for nerds :-0
>
>
—————————————————-

haha

#74844
Apr 20, 2006 at 6:48am

Stefan Tiedje wrote:
> David Gilbert wrote:
>> 9 out of 10 people buy Apples because it’s “stylish.”
>
> I only know these 1 out of 10 who buy apple for other reasons, could you
> introduce me to the 9? … ;-)
No no no no, Stefan. Unfortunately he’s right. These 9 people, in fact,
buy mac to look like “professionnals”. In my area of Paris,
E.V.E.R.Y.B.O.D.Y is working in avdertising (even if there’s no money
letf), in public relation, art galeries and such. They use it like my
beloved mother, but only to SEND MAILS & WRITE their bullshit. Period.
And they want to do this the classy way. Macintosh advertising made they
think having a mac is a superior way of life, the sign of a smart &
delicate mind, as they all wear expensive sunglasses in the sub at
night. It’s all about a certain feeling of luxe.

The others you’re talking about are the ones who used mac for max at a
time it wasn’t on windows. The idea that the real professionnal only
works on mac + digidesign gear in the media industry is just a
commercial strategy. I’ve already told here on this list that i’ve seen,
in a big studio, the 4 stations crashing down to death at the same time,
forcing to reinstall OSX and Protools on each of them in front of the
desperate clients, astonished to discover macintosh isn’t the most
stable workstation anymore…
> Typically an opinion of someone who never used it…
What for ? Big colorful icons for children ? Everything is closed, like
an SNCF ticket machine. It’s a real pain when i have to handle things on
my girl’s notebook.

The only real reason why people use mac is because they really feel like
in a Habitat adverftising with it.
> Whenever I come across Windows I get frustrated because simple things
> are complicated. Just watch an average Windows user search a file…
ts ts tsss, too much years on a mac have formatted the minds. Both of
these OS are shit because they’ve imposed the idea the OS is everything
and has to be OVER the cpu. There was a time before, where all processes
were accessibles directlty, at the same time, while the OS was just a
part of, in a tiny separated window…
> Or ask how often they reinstalled windows.
> I just updated my Windows computer with a more recent virus protection
> (very essential on that platform) and it rendered the machine useless.
Kaspersky Anti-Virus. Not a single problem since 2 years with ! Forget
about evrything else, especially Norton which fucks up everything,
everytime, and doesn’t work quiet good.
> Repair tools from Microsoft? Only expensive 3rd party ones available.
> Fortunately there is also a Linux partition on that computer so the
> machine is still usable… ;-)
>
> If I have time for sure I’l get it running again, but I don’t have time
> at the moment…
>
I’ve already proposed to Kasper to help him handle his win machine, i do
you the same offer as i know you’re not far from Paris (?). It’ll be the
occasion of having a coffee.
>> But the dad buying a home computer is going to buy the Dell family
>> desktop. It’s way more economical right now.
>
> Yes, especially if you do not need to have it running. Its actually
> nice if it fails sometimes to get the kids doing other things than
> gaming…
Playing Oblivion on a videoprojector is one of the last reason not to
commit suicide in this world these days ! ;-)
>
>> I mean, we pay $2000.00 for a laptop, and as soon as we open it,
>> Apple releases one that is a little bit faster and bigger hard drive
>> and better CPU and so on.
>
> You should switch to Atari then, the only company which never released
> a faster version for 15 Years (maybe 10..) and they were really
> solid… ;-) But Dell for sure does the same.
>
> Stefan
>
> P.S. I just loovvveee platform wars, its so retro….
>
>

#74845
Apr 20, 2006 at 7:32am

>>> 9 out of 10 people buy Apples because it’s “stylish.”
>>
>> I only know these 1 out of 10 who buy apple for other reasons, could you
>> introduce me to the 9? … ;-)
>
> No no no no, Stefan. Unfortunately he’s right. These 9 people, in fact,
> buy mac to look like “professionnals”. In my area of Paris,

It’s funny… I know the people you’re talking about are out there, I
don’t doubt it – Apple is doing too well for that not to be true – but
almost every person I know that uses a mac does serious work with it.
Only a few are music people; the rest are programmers, physicists,
mathematicians, sysadmins, etc. The only exceptions I can think of are
in education, and I think they go mac because the schools they work in
stock their labs with macs.

I think wistfully of the G4 I use as a server now, as I type this on my
wintel laptop (which has the current Max install)… but even with the
modifications, that mac is far too loud for a studio. Grumble.

#74846
Apr 20, 2006 at 8:32am

— dlurk wrote:

The only exceptions
> I can think of are
> in education, and I think they go mac because the
> schools they work in
> stock their labs with macs.

How i wish that was the case here in the UK!
My job involves supporting students using both
platforms, and when we want Macs, we have to beg for
them (with the sole exception of the video edit
suites, ‘cos eceryone knows there’s nothing out there
in Windows world to touch FCP ;-)
In all other cases we have to make do with Viglen crap
‘cos they’ve got the UK education market sewn up
tighter than Bill Gate’s chuff,( probably through some
kind of Masonic thing).

Damn, I thought I’d grown out of wading into platform
wars…
cheers
Roger

#74847
Apr 20, 2006 at 8:47am

…what I find funny is the idea that stylish and professional are somehow logically opposed. That’s simply not true — or at least there’s no inherent logic to support that assumption. And besides, the vast majority of people in all walks of life ONLY use ANY computer to “send emails and write” whatever happens to require writing (“bullshit” or not) — that’s basically what computers are used for in the big, wide world!

Like many people here, the vast majority of professional musicians, composers, and producers I know use Macs — and many of them have no idea what MaxMSP is… (…and the really serious geek-pro-tweakheads use Pd on Linux.) I use both, but prefer the Mac. I just find the OS simpler, more stable, and more flexible. In fact, since the release of Boot Camp, I’m seriously thinking of shooting my PC and buying a MacBook Pro, which I can boot into Windows whenever necessary, but run in OS X the rest of the time (as a node for my G5-based Logic system!).

Anyway, I’m afraid it does genuinely piss me off to hear people state, as though it’s some form of fact, that Macs are fashion accessories, while Windows boxes are professional machines. That is patently false.

But now I have to get back to work… on my Mac! ;-)

Oh, and btw, if 4 machines, of ANY platform, go down at the same time, you’ve probably got a bigger problem on your hands than which OS they’re running.

J.

#74848
Apr 20, 2006 at 9:41am

#74849
Apr 20, 2006 at 10:19am

> So can we finally, finally, please PUT A SHPXVAT OT WARNING IN THE
> SUBJECT HEADER!

Sorry if I didn’t format it correctly to trigger filters. Will comply
next time (and this time). Suggest others do the same in light of this
problem; thus:

If we stick to “[OT]” somewhere in the subject, then we can filter it.
Heck, even the forum could filter it with some minor tweaking and one
more state variable. As we build the new list/forum culture this should
be something to consider.

#74850
Apr 20, 2006 at 12:57pm

this is a new one for me. which castinated language does it come
from? :)

On Apr 20, 2006, at 5:41 AM, Peter Castine wrote:

> SHPXVAT

#74851
Apr 20, 2006 at 1:18pm

jbmaxwell wrote:
> …what I find funny is the idea that stylish and professional are somehow logically opposed.
I absolutely agree. Professional has to be stylish. I meant they use
stylish macintoshs the way they wear expensive sunglasses, to feel
themselves naked & famous (… in their bathroom). But often,
professional is no stylish at all. The best specialists of any kind are
always the ones the most ugly dressed ;-))

f.e

f.e chanfrault | aka | personal computer music
> >>>>>> http://www.personal-computer-music.com
> >>>>>> |sublime music for a desperate people|
> That’s simply not true — or at least there’s no inherent logic to support that assumption. And besides, the vast majority of people in all walks of life ONLY use ANY computer to “send emails and write” whatever happens to require writing (“bullshit” or not) — that’s basically what computers are used for in the big, wide world!
>
> Like many people here, the vast majority of professional musicians, composers, and producers I know use Macs — and many of them have no idea what MaxMSP is… (…and the really serious geek-pro-tweakheads use Pd on Linux.) I use both, but prefer the Mac. I just find the OS simpler, more stable, and more flexible. In fact, since the release of Boot Camp, I’m seriously thinking of shooting my PC and buying a MacBook Pro, which I can boot into Windows whenever necessary, but run in OS X the rest of the time (as a node for my G5-based Logic system!).
>
> Anyway, I’m afraid it does genuinely piss me off to hear people state, as though it’s some form of fact, that Macs are fashion accessories, while Windows boxes are professional machines. That is patently false.
>
> But now I have to get back to work… on my Mac! ;-)
>
> Oh, and btw, if 4 machines, of ANY platform, go down at the same time, you’ve probably got a bigger problem on your hands than which OS they’re running.
>
> J.
>
>

#74852
Apr 20, 2006 at 2:21pm

Looks like something that Mr Mxyzptlk from the 5th dimension might
say. Gosh darn – where’s Superman when you need him?

On 20 Apr 2006, at 13:57, joshua goldberg wrote:

> this is a new one for me. which castinated language does it come
> from? :)
>
> On Apr 20, 2006, at 5:41 AM, Peter Castine wrote:
>
>> SHPXVAT
>

#74853
Apr 21, 2006 at 9:22am

#74854
Apr 21, 2006 at 8:30pm

Your anecdote was pretty vague there, for example I’ve got a 10.1
server that hasn’t been rebooted in 4 years, but that’s not taking
into account what load the server is under. I personally have never
seen 4 machines simultaneously crap the bed while running release
versions of OS X.

And more importantly, in a big studio they probably have backup guitar
strings and audio cables, why on earth do they not backup the data of
their important workstations? Hubris? But seriously, I hope they got
their work back. I would never wish loss of a project on even my
worst enemy.

_Mark

On Apr 19, 2006, at 11:48 PM, f.e wrote:

> The others you’re talking about are the ones who used mac for max at
> a time it wasn’t on windows. The idea that the real professionnal
> only works on mac + digidesign gear in the media industry is just a
> commercial strategy. I’ve already told here on this list that i’ve
> seen, in a big studio, the 4 stations crashing down to death at the
> same time, forcing to reinstall OSX and Protools on each of them in
> front of the desperate clients, astonished to discover macintosh
> isn’t the most stable workstation anymore…

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