[ANN, NYC] Making Max Make Music with Markov Chains

Jan 17, 2013 at 12:00am

[ANN, NYC] Making Max Make Music with Markov Chains

I’m teaching a class in how to build, use, and “record” Markov Chains in NYC this SUNDAY. There’s still room.

More info here:

http://www.harvestworks.org/making-max-make-music-with-markov-chains/

/ I hope this isn’t too spammy.

#66083
Jan 17, 2013 at 7:07am

live stream? Record it and put it online afterwards? :)
pretty Pleeaase

#237912
Jan 17, 2013 at 7:53am

prettttyyyyy Pleeeeeaaaase!!!!

#237913
Jan 17, 2013 at 10:22am

Definitely +1

Alternatively (as it’s a paid workshop), I’d happily pay for a recording & patches.

#237914
Jan 17, 2013 at 12:31pm

Whoa. I didn’t expect that st all… I’m not exactly sure what Harvestworks’ policy is on this. I’ll ask.

#237915
Jan 17, 2013 at 2:26pm

I think I’m with David on this. Depending on price I would absolutely pay to watch. (The commute from Copenhagen might be a bit too long)

#237916
Jan 17, 2013 at 2:29pm

I would gladly pay to view this class.

#237917
Jan 17, 2013 at 3:57pm

take my money!

#237918
Jan 17, 2013 at 5:56pm

Ok so harvest works has had some good experiences with online classes. I showed them this thread and we now have tentative plans to do one.. I’ll post about it when they are solidified.

#237919
Jan 17, 2013 at 10:05pm

I would totally pay for access to a video stream as well.
Count me in!

#237920
Jan 18, 2013 at 10:24am

That’s great news. Perhaps you could start a trend!

Which leads me to wonder – there are people in this community who are expert in very specific areas relating to maxetc. Maybe there’s a small market for this kind of thing – something more in depth than the tutorials that cycling already kindly provides.

#237921
Jan 18, 2013 at 5:47pm

I agree, I can’t tell you how many times there has been a Max seminar that I would have loved to attend. But due to work obligations, I was not able to. If these lectures were recorded they could be made available to the public at a reasonable price. Thus making residual profit for the lecturer. These video lectures could be accessed through some Max learning portal. It would also give pro Max users, who may not want to deal with putting together a huge amount of intro curriculum, a place to share some particularly deep Max vertical.

#237922
Jan 19, 2013 at 12:52pm

Anthony wrote: It would also give pro Max users, who may not want to deal with putting together a huge amount of intro curriculum, a place to share some particularly deep Max vertical.

Yes! Absolutely (speaking as one who wants to learn). One of the advantages of max is that you can “get by” – and that is also one of its disadvantages long term.

#237923
Jan 19, 2013 at 1:19pm

Interested in the subject as well.

#237924
Jan 19, 2013 at 1:51pm

90% chance we set up a date for an online class tomorrow. Demand, we shall supply!

Anthony, I agree. Unfortunately due to how rare it is to come across a musician maxer -although this is changing- It’s tough to imagine a viable class without the introductory material. I think these online classes are an attempt at changing that.

#237925
Jan 26, 2013 at 10:27am

@AudioMatt Any news about this?

#237926
Jan 26, 2013 at 10:53am

First of all, the physical class went really well and of course have me some ideas for improvement. We worked very hard for five hours on some super technical stuff and then all of the sudden POW our patches started emitting rock music. Very satisfying. :-)

The official word is that we are officially doing an online version of the course but there’s no official date yet. Harvestworks is using a system with online videos, forums and a few other bells and whistles so students can go at their own pace but they won’t be alone. My guess is late winter/early spring.

Thank you for your interest. This thread was key in making the online version a reality. I’ll bump this thread and probably make a new one when we have a date.

#237927
Jan 27, 2013 at 11:16am

Thanks for the update, and I’m glad it all went well! Really looking forward to the course being available – and perhaps this will inspire the creation of more in depth courses.

#237928
Apr 12, 2013 at 6:50pm

very interesting.
any news with the workshop video?

#237929
Apr 12, 2013 at 6:52pm

Videos are done. They’re about an hour [edit: maybe more] in total. We’re doing some detail work, uploading and scheduling now.

#237930
Apr 12, 2013 at 7:22pm

nice! please just drop here another mail when the video is ready for download etc…
did you also have the patches so we can than reproduce it in max? thanks, j

#237931
Apr 12, 2013 at 7:33pm

This is all unofficial and subject to change without notice.

As it stands, there are ten main tutorial patches which the videos go over. Those patches incorporate markov chain abstractions which are also explained in the videos. The course is meant to explain to people how Markov chains work, how they work in music generation, and inspire students to be creative both in their use in a larger context and also how to hack them from the inside out. In addition, you’ll walk away having built your own algorithmic music generator patch using Markov Chains.

#237932
Apr 13, 2013 at 7:17am

Hi AudioMatt,

Count me in as a keen bean too. Thanks!

Joe

#237933
Apr 15, 2013 at 9:03pm

Please keep me in the loop.

#237934
Apr 15, 2013 at 9:30pm

I like loops too ;)

#237935
May 19, 2013 at 5:10am

Bump-a-doodle-doo.

Definitely interested in this.

#249819
May 19, 2013 at 5:17am

there is a leak in the chain and they have lost all the numbers.

#249820
May 19, 2013 at 1:49pm

so this is what happens if you break a markov chain…

#249845
May 19, 2013 at 2:35pm

btw, my biggest problem with “chains” and “nets” always was the database part.

programming a markov chain ist a relatively simple game, but storing the data is not.

in OS9, where i dont have SQL, i have to use [coll], which is limited to 999×253 entries.
in OSX i have to use SQL or java – and both are slow, make you dependent on third-party stuff, and have to be learned first.

-110

#249851
May 19, 2013 at 3:49pm

patience.  We’re working on it.

#249859
May 19, 2013 at 4:40pm

Yay :)

#249866
May 19, 2013 at 9:38pm

I totally second the online content thing. I love teaching Max, but I don’t generally have time to get to some of the really out stuff during the semester…

#249881
May 21, 2013 at 6:47am

Nice – I did a patch with Markov chanins once, if I remember rightly lobjects played a big part, – Ill send it over – to be honest it still sounded pretty random but still ….

#250046
May 21, 2013 at 8:57am

I am waiting patiently…

 

#250083
May 21, 2013 at 8:44pm

Count me in, baby…

#250197
May 29, 2013 at 10:17am

and me

#251113
May 29, 2013 at 10:17pm

in

#251165
Jun 11, 2013 at 7:09am
#252401
Jun 11, 2013 at 7:10am

Sorry it took so long guys. I’ll take the blame for that…

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