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anyone using novation automap controller?

February 28, 2007 | 9:00 pm

I’ve just got a novation sl 37 controller the automap feature of the new os V3 doesn’t work with my pluggos

the stock c74 pluggos work and so do vlad’s daevlplugs ones. anyone else got one of these things?


February 28, 2007 | 10:24 pm

ok, got it figured out.
If your uniqueID is made up of 3 digit numbers the novation automap server can’t make a valid AU out of it

weird, but that seems to be it.

I re-did a couple of the auto generated id’s manually and now they load fine.


March 1, 2007 | 7:24 pm

to clarify for those interested….

there seems to be a limit on the ascii value the numbers of the uniqueID equate to. I’ve asked Novation to share this limit with developers. so far it seems (unofficially from my research only) as if you can’t use any ascii value above Z (132) I’ll post Novations reponse in this thread.


March 1, 2007 | 10:02 pm

Andrew:

So what you’re saying is that (if your unofficial research is
correct) that for the Novation to recognize the Pluggo, its uniqueid
must have its individual numbers no greater than 132 (i.e. 132 132
132 is OK, but 133 133 133 is not, and also 132 132 133 is not?)

Thanks,
Dan

At 11:24 AM -0800 3/1/07, Andrew Burgess wrote:
>to clarify for those interested….
>
>there seems to be a limit on the ascii value the numbers of the
>uniqueID equate to. I’ve asked Novation to share this limit with
>developers. so far it seems (unofficially from my research only) as
>if you can’t use any ascii value above Z (132) I’ll post Novations
>reponse in this thread.
>–
>Thanks,
>Andrew


Dan Nigrin
Defective Records
202 Hack / PC-1600 User / VSTi Host / OMS Convert / Jack OS X / Major
Malfunction
http://www.defectiverecords.com

http://www.jackosx.com


March 1, 2007 | 10:34 pm

actually upon further research it seems to be 127 127 127 is ok but 128 128 128 fails. as does 127 127 128

this is / was an issue for me as I’ve always just used the auto generated number when I made an instance of plugconfig

Now I’m going to manually edit them I’m using 51 xxx 50 where xxx is 1 – 127 . I suggest that you find a nice set of numbers and just always use those changing only one of them, pluggo AU scan will not allow 2 plugins with the same ID to be made into AU’s as it violates the AU val spec and will fail Logic’s auval scanner.


March 2, 2007 | 4:19 pm


On Mar 1, 2007, at 2:34 PM, Andrew Burgess wrote:

> actually upon further research it seems to be 127 127 127 is ok but
> 128 128 128 fails. as does 127 127 128
>
> this is / was an issue for me as I’ve always just used the auto
> generated number when I made an instance of plugconfig
>
> Now I’m going to manually edit them I’m using 51 xxx 50 where xxx
> is 1 – 127 . I suggest that you find a nice set of numbers and just
> always use those changing only one of them, pluggo AU scan will not
> allow 2 plugins with the same ID to be made into AU’s as it
> violates the AU val spec and will fail Logic’s auval scanner.

I think you’ll be running afoul of Cyling’s own plug-in uniqueids if
you go with 51, Andrew. 51 is Hipno.

Vlad

Vlad Spears
Urbi et orbi

http://www.daevlmakr.com

http://www.2secondfuse.com


March 2, 2007 | 5:20 pm

>I think you’ll be running afoul of Cyling’s own plug-in uniqueids if
>you go with 51, Andrew. 51 is Hipno.

I thought Hipno and Cycling’s other plugins followed this rule? (from
the MSP Reference Manual):

"0 0 0 is reserved and cannot be used. 0 followed by two other
numbers is reserved for use by Cycling ’74 and its registered plug-in
developers."

So 51 51 51 would be OK, but not 0 51 51?

Dan

Dan Nigrin
Defective Records
202 Hack / PC-1600 User / VSTi Host / OMS Convert / Jack OS X / Major
Malfunction
http://www.defectiverecords.com

http://www.jackosx.com


March 2, 2007 | 9:35 pm

On Mar 2, 2007, at 9:20 AM, Dan Nigrin wrote:

>> I think you’ll be running afoul of Cyling’s own plug-in uniqueids
>> if you go with 51, Andrew. 51 is Hipno.
>
> I thought Hipno and Cycling’s other plugins followed this rule?
> (from the MSP Reference Manual):
>
> "0 0 0 is reserved and cannot be used. 0 followed by two other
> numbers is reserved for use by Cycling ’74 and its registered plug-
> in developers."
>
> So 51 51 51 would be OK, but not 0 51 51?

I’m basing this off an email Tim Place sent out some while back,
either to dev or beta. The relevant bit:

"So the Chamberverb has a unique id of 49 99 98. Which is ascii for
’1cb’ (backwards this becomes bc1).

If you are really observant then you will notice that the last number of
all Pluggo plug-ins is 1, the last number of all Mode plug-ins is 2,
etc. This means that the first number of the uniqueid for Pluggo is 49,
for Mode 50, for Hipno 51, etc. You would be well advised not to use an
ascii code for a digit as the first number of the uniqueid, because we
might use it in the future."

I might be misinterpreting, but I don’t think so. Tim?

Like I’ve said before: I’m pretty sure plugconfig is voodoo.

Vlad

Vlad Spears
Urbi et orbi

http://www.daevlmakr.com

http://www.2secondfuse.com


March 2, 2007 | 10:10 pm

I love my novation remote sl 37

do you know how to get it to work with effects? It seems to only do the instruments.


March 3, 2007 | 12:06 am

are you using the new os? (v3 i think)


March 3, 2007 | 3:12 am

crazy, I just got it a couple weeks ago and updated, I guess 3 must have come out after that. Im updating from 2.3 right now and then Ill see if that changes things. Wonderful keyboard right! Works so well with logic and 3 octaves is just enough (2 is too small and 6 is too big, i already have an 88 key for that stuff) fits on my lap and I can work on the couch.. Making all sorts of cool physical modeling patches in max that make use of the aftertouch. Ill upload and link soon. Also made a model of an sh101.

:D

Good luck!


March 3, 2007 | 5:05 am

On the topic of the remote 37 sl, Im curious how well your xy pad behaves in max. It seems to work great in all apps but when I use it in max it works great on one axis at a time but if I move on an angle it moves choppy. I called tech support but they were stumped.

Thanks :D


March 3, 2007 | 8:36 am

same experience here

On Mar 2, 2007, at 9:05 PM, Nicholas C. Raftis III wrote:

>
> On the topic of the remote 37 sl, Im curious how well your xy pad
> behaves in max. It seems to work great in all apps but when I use
> it in max it works great on one axis at a time but if I move on an
> angle it moves choppy. I called tech support but they were stumped.
>
> Thanks :D
> –
> -=ili!ili=- http://www.Axiom-Crux.net -=ili!ili=-


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