joshua goldberg

the newly announced laptops no longer have the ability to push out 

the newly announced laptops no longer have the ability to push out  
composite or svideo.

apple-has-closed-the-analog-hole

Can't you still go from Mini DisplayPort to DVI Adapter to S-Video ?

You can certainly get HDMI from a DVI signal. Costs about $7 for the adapter.

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Parag wrote:

> Can't you still go from Mini DisplayPort to DVI Adapter to S-Video ?

You can certainly get HDMI from a DVI signal.  Costs about $7 for the adapter.
wes

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Parag  wrote:
> Can't you still go from Mini DisplayPort to DVI Adapter to S-Video ?
>


it's not quite as bad as i had supposed. you can go from mini 

On Oct 14, 2008, at 5:58 PM, Parag wrote:

it's not quite as bad as i had supposed.  you can go from mini  
displayport to vga to svid/composite.

> Can't you still go from Mini DisplayPort to DVI Adapter to S-Video ?


Quote: joshua goldberg wrote on Tue, 14 October 2008 16:56

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> it's not quite as bad as i had supposed. you can go from mini 

Well, yeah, you can get a $100 scan converter to do that, but I would prefer the old $19 mini-DVI to Video adaptor.

Quote: joshua goldberg wrote on Tue, 14 October 2008 16:56
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> it's not quite as bad as i had supposed.  you can go from mini  
> displayport to vga to svid/composite.
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Well, yeah, you can get a $100 scan converter to do that, but I would prefer the old $19 mini-DVI to Video adaptor.


no. scan converters are terrible, and only useful if you're working 

in a non-NTSC-compliant resolution. vade pointed me this way:

http://www.computercasesandcables.com/ccc/CV-25120.html

On Oct 15, 2008, at 11:23 AM, berad wrote:

> Quote: joshua goldberg wrote on Tue, 14 October 2008 16:56

> ----------------------------------------------------

>> it's not quite as bad as i had supposed. you can go from mini

> Well, yeah, you can get a $100 scan converter to do that, but I 

> would prefer the old $19 mini-DVI to Video adaptor.

no.  scan converters are terrible, and only useful if you're working  
in a non-NTSC-compliant resolution.  vade pointed me this way:

>
> Quote: joshua goldberg wrote on Tue, 14 October 2008 16:56
> ----------------------------------------------------
>> it's not quite as bad as i had supposed.  you can go from mini
>> displayport to vga to svid/composite.
> ----------------------------------------------------
>
> Well, yeah, you can get a $100 scan converter to do that, but I  
> would prefer the old $19 mini-DVI to Video adaptor.


I see, but the jury is still out on whether or not this would work with the NVidia cards through the display port. I'm not holding my breath as even Apple's own DVI to Video adaptors have had a bad history of working with MacPros with NVidia cards. The pins have to be sending composite or S-Video signals. I remain hopeful this will work. First to test and give results gets a high-five.

Just curious: assuming the signal is mainly used for a video projector, why is the loss of s-video or composite such a big deal if VGA can still be used?

Because many people uses video hardware/ mixers that only accept Y-C/CV input.

Because many people uses video hardware/  mixers that only accept Y-C/CV input.


On Oct 16, 2008, at 1:02 PM, qfwfqduo wrote:

> Just curious: assuming the signal is mainly used for a video 

> projector, why is the loss of s-video or composite such a big deal 

>
> Just curious: assuming the signal is mainly used for a video  
> projector, why is the loss of s-video or composite such a big deal  
> if VGA can still be used?


http://www.antonline.com/p_VGA2NTSCPRO-GP_96303.htm

> On Oct 16, 2008, at 1:02 PM, qfwfqduo wrote:

>> Just curious: assuming the signal is mainly used for a video 

>> projector, why is the loss of s-video or composite such a big deal 

one among the many possible solutions
http://www.antonline.com/p_VGA2NTSCPRO-GP_96303.htm

> mixing without spending $5000 or more.
>
> On Oct 16, 2008, at 1:02 PM, qfwfqduo wrote:
>
>>
>> Just curious: assuming the signal is mainly used for a video  
>> projector, why is the loss of s-video or composite such a big deal  
>> if VGA can still be used?
>


Certainly the use of a scan converter is possible. The point is, what cost $19 to do a week ago now costs $100 or more ($30 for the displayport to VGA adaptor and another $70 for the scan converter). This coupled with the removal of a firewire port on both the MB and MBP and no CPU performance upgrades just has me stopping for a second and saying "what the heck am I getting for this extra money?" The answer is, graphics performance, and that is fantastic, no doubt, but seems hardly worth it.

I am sick of Apple compromising functionality for form. They have the room in these new things for a Firewire port and they at least partially own the license for it so Firewire would have been no problem in the new machines.

The iPhone, the phone that owners use more than any other phone because it does so many things well, doesn't have a replaceable battery because it would make it a tad bit thicker.

I could go on and on... just frustrating.

Mind you, I have NO problem with the move to DisplayPort. Precedent needs to be set for standards to take off, and much like the move to all USB and the gutting of the floppy drive on the iMac, Apple is often at the vanguard of these changes and should be. But in the past it's always been coupled with a price-performance breakthrough. Now we have to pay $100 more to get less. Just a bummer.

>one among the many possible solutions
>http://www.antonline.com/p_VGA2NTSCPRO-GP_96303.htm

Certainly the use of a scan converter is possible. The point is, what cost $19 to do a week ago now costs $100 or more ($30 for the displayport to VGA adaptor and another $70 for the scan converter). This coupled with the removal of a firewire port on both the MB and MBP and no CPU performance upgrades just has me stopping for a second and saying "what the heck am I getting for this extra money?" The answer is, graphics performance, and that is fantastic, no doubt, but seems hardly worth it. 

I am sick of Apple compromising functionality for form. They have the room in these new things for a Firewire port and they at least partially own the license for it so Firewire would have been no problem in the new machines. 

Mind you, I have NO problem with the move to DisplayPort. Precedent needs to be set for standards to take off, and much like the move to all USB and the gutting of the floppy drive on the iMac, Apple is often at the vanguard of these changes and should be. But in the past it's always been coupled with a price-performance breakthrough. Now we have to pay $100 more to get less. Just a bummer.


Dont have to pay any extras, just stick with you current laptop.

> Certainly the use of a scan converter is possible. The point is, 

> what cost $19 to do a week ago now costs $100 or more ($30 for the 

> displayport to VGA adaptor and another $70 for the scan converter). 

> This coupled with the removal of a firewire port on both the MB and 

> MBP and no CPU performance upgrades just has me stopping for a 

> second and saying "what the heck am I getting for this extra 

> money?" The answer is, graphics performance, and that is fantastic, 

> I am sick of Apple compromising functionality for form. They have 

> the room in these new things for a Firewire port and they at least 

> partially own the license for it so Firewire would have been no 

> The iPhone, the phone that owners use more than any other phone 

> because it does so many things well, doesn't have a replaceable 

> battery because it would make it a tad bit thicker.

> I could go on and on... just frustrating.

> Mind you, I have NO problem with the move to DisplayPort. Precedent 

> needs to be set for standards to take off, and much like the move 

> to all USB and the gutting of the floppy drive on the iMac, Apple 

> is often at the vanguard of these changes and should be. But in the 

> past it's always been coupled with a price-performance 

> breakthrough. Now we have to pay $100 more to get less. Just a bummer.

Dont have to pay any extras, just stick with you current laptop.
Apple creates desirability
JS

>
>> one among the many possible solutions
>> http://www.antonline.com/p_VGA2NTSCPRO-GP_96303.htm
>
> Certainly the use of a scan converter is possible. The point is,  
> what cost $19 to do a week ago now costs $100 or more ($30 for the  
> displayport to VGA adaptor and another $70 for the scan converter).  
> This coupled with the removal of a firewire port on both the MB and  
> MBP and no CPU performance upgrades just has me stopping for a  
> second and saying "what the heck am I getting for this extra  
> money?" The answer is, graphics performance, and that is fantastic,  
> no doubt, but seems hardly worth it.
>
> I am sick of Apple compromising functionality for form. They have  
> the room in these new things for a Firewire port and they at least  
> partially own the license for it so Firewire would have been no  
> problem in the new machines.
>
> The iPhone, the phone that owners use more than any other phone  
> because it does so many things well, doesn't have a replaceable  
> battery because it would make it a tad bit thicker.
>
> I could go on and on... just frustrating.
>
> Mind you, I have NO problem with the move to DisplayPort. Precedent  
> needs to be set for standards to take off, and much like the move  
> to all USB and the gutting of the floppy drive on the iMac, Apple  
> is often at the vanguard of these changes and should be. But in the  
> past it's always been coupled with a price-performance  
> breakthrough. Now we have to pay $100 more to get less. Just a bummer.


We are Apple resellers that sell products specifically to live production environments. Remember when Macs were THE multimedia computer? This just takes some of that away. I will likely keep my personal MacBook Pro for a while.

apple has closed the analog hole