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apple has closed the analog hole

October 14, 2008 | 6:32 pm

the newly announced laptops no longer have the ability to push out
composite or svideo.

it’s vga/dvi only now, via dongle.

j



PKM
October 14, 2008 | 9:58 pm

Can’t you still go from Mini DisplayPort to DVI Adapter to S-Video ?


October 14, 2008 | 10:04 pm

You can certainly get HDMI from a DVI signal. Costs about $7 for the adapter.
wes

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Parag

wrote:
> Can’t you still go from Mini DisplayPort to DVI Adapter to S-Video ?
>


October 14, 2008 | 10:56 pm

it’s not quite as bad as i had supposed. you can go from mini
displayport to vga to svid/composite.

On Oct 14, 2008, at 5:58 PM, Parag wrote:

> Can’t you still go from Mini DisplayPort to DVI Adapter to S-Video ?


October 15, 2008 | 3:23 pm

Quote: joshua goldberg wrote on Tue, 14 October 2008 16:56
—————————————————-
> it’s not quite as bad as i had supposed. you can go from mini
> displayport to vga to svid/composite.
—————————————————-

Well, yeah, you can get a $100 scan converter to do that, but I would prefer the old $19 mini-DVI to Video adaptor.


October 15, 2008 | 3:31 pm

no. scan converters are terrible, and only useful if you’re working
in a non-NTSC-compliant resolution. vade pointed me this way:

http://www.computercasesandcables.com/ccc/CV-25120.html

for instance.

On Oct 15, 2008, at 11:23 AM, berad wrote:

>
> Quote: joshua goldberg wrote on Tue, 14 October 2008 16:56
> —————————————————-
>> it’s not quite as bad as i had supposed. you can go from mini
>> displayport to vga to svid/composite.
> —————————————————-
>
> Well, yeah, you can get a $100 scan converter to do that, but I
> would prefer the old $19 mini-DVI to Video adaptor.


October 15, 2008 | 3:47 pm

I see, but the jury is still out on whether or not this would work with the NVidia cards through the display port. I’m not holding my breath as even Apple’s own DVI to Video adaptors have had a bad history of working with MacPros with NVidia cards. The pins have to be sending composite or S-Video signals. I remain hopeful this will work. First to test and give results gets a high-five.


October 16, 2008 | 5:02 pm

Just curious: assuming the signal is mainly used for a video projector, why is the loss of s-video or composite such a big deal if VGA can still be used?


October 16, 2008 | 5:24 pm

Because many people uses video hardware/ mixers that only accept Y-C/CV input.


October 16, 2008 | 5:37 pm

mixing without spending $5000 or more.

On Oct 16, 2008, at 1:02 PM, qfwfqduo wrote:

>
> Just curious: assuming the signal is mainly used for a video
> projector, why is the loss of s-video or composite such a big deal
> if VGA can still be used?


October 18, 2008 | 7:58 am

one among the many possible solutions

http://www.antonline.com/p_VGA2NTSCPRO-GP_96303.htm

> mixing without spending $5000 or more.
>
> On Oct 16, 2008, at 1:02 PM, qfwfqduo wrote:
>
>>
>> Just curious: assuming the signal is mainly used for a video
>> projector, why is the loss of s-video or composite such a big deal
>> if VGA can still be used?
>


October 18, 2008 | 12:07 pm

>one among the many possible solutions
>http://www.antonline.com/p_VGA2NTSCPRO-GP_96303.htm

Certainly the use of a scan converter is possible. The point is, what cost $19 to do a week ago now costs $100 or more ($30 for the displayport to VGA adaptor and another $70 for the scan converter). This coupled with the removal of a firewire port on both the MB and MBP and no CPU performance upgrades just has me stopping for a second and saying "what the heck am I getting for this extra money?" The answer is, graphics performance, and that is fantastic, no doubt, but seems hardly worth it.

I am sick of Apple compromising functionality for form. They have the room in these new things for a Firewire port and they at least partially own the license for it so Firewire would have been no problem in the new machines.

The iPhone, the phone that owners use more than any other phone because it does so many things well, doesn’t have a replaceable battery because it would make it a tad bit thicker.

I could go on and on… just frustrating.

Mind you, I have NO problem with the move to DisplayPort. Precedent needs to be set for standards to take off, and much like the move to all USB and the gutting of the floppy drive on the iMac, Apple is often at the vanguard of these changes and should be. But in the past it’s always been coupled with a price-performance breakthrough. Now we have to pay $100 more to get less. Just a bummer.


October 18, 2008 | 2:25 pm

Dont have to pay any extras, just stick with you current laptop.
Apple creates desirability
JS

On 18-Oct-08, at 8:07 AM, berad wrote:

>
>> one among the many possible solutions
>> http://www.antonline.com/p_VGA2NTSCPRO-GP_96303.htm
>
> Certainly the use of a scan converter is possible. The point is,
> what cost $19 to do a week ago now costs $100 or more ($30 for the
> displayport to VGA adaptor and another $70 for the scan converter).
> This coupled with the removal of a firewire port on both the MB and
> MBP and no CPU performance upgrades just has me stopping for a
> second and saying "what the heck am I getting for this extra
> money?" The answer is, graphics performance, and that is fantastic,
> no doubt, but seems hardly worth it.
>
> I am sick of Apple compromising functionality for form. They have
> the room in these new things for a Firewire port and they at least
> partially own the license for it so Firewire would have been no
> problem in the new machines.
>
> The iPhone, the phone that owners use more than any other phone
> because it does so many things well, doesn’t have a replaceable
> battery because it would make it a tad bit thicker.
>
> I could go on and on… just frustrating.
>
> Mind you, I have NO problem with the move to DisplayPort. Precedent
> needs to be set for standards to take off, and much like the move
> to all USB and the gutting of the floppy drive on the iMac, Apple
> is often at the vanguard of these changes and should be. But in the
> past it’s always been coupled with a price-performance
> breakthrough. Now we have to pay $100 more to get less. Just a bummer.


October 18, 2008 | 3:28 pm

We are Apple resellers that sell products specifically to live production environments. Remember when Macs were THE multimedia computer? This just takes some of that away. I will likely keep my personal MacBook Pro for a while.


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