Cycling 74 » Topic: apple has closed the analog hole http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/apple-has-closed-the-analog-hole/feed Thu, 20 Jun 2013 02:02:27 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=2.2.4 http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/apple-has-closed-the-analog-hole/#post-40336 <![CDATA[apple has closed the analog hole]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/apple-has-closed-the-analog-hole/#post-40336 Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:32:52 +0000 joshua goldberg the newly announced laptops no longer have the ability to push out
composite or svideo.

it’s vga/dvi only now, via dongle.

j

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/apple-has-closed-the-analog-hole/#post-142564 <![CDATA[Re: apple has closed the analog hole]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/apple-has-closed-the-analog-hole/#post-142564 Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:58:12 +0000 PKM Can’t you still go from Mini DisplayPort to DVI Adapter to S-Video ?

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/apple-has-closed-the-analog-hole/#post-142565 <![CDATA[Re: apple has closed the analog hole]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/apple-has-closed-the-analog-hole/#post-142565 Tue, 14 Oct 2008 22:04:28 +0000 Wesley Smith You can certainly get HDMI from a DVI signal. Costs about $7 for the adapter.
wes

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Parag wrote:
> Can’t you still go from Mini DisplayPort to DVI Adapter to S-Video ?
>

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/apple-has-closed-the-analog-hole/#post-142566 <![CDATA[Re: apple has closed the analog hole]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/apple-has-closed-the-analog-hole/#post-142566 Tue, 14 Oct 2008 22:56:16 +0000 joshua goldberg it’s not quite as bad as i had supposed. you can go from mini
displayport to vga to svid/composite.

On Oct 14, 2008, at 5:58 PM, Parag wrote:

> Can’t you still go from Mini DisplayPort to DVI Adapter to S-Video ?

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/apple-has-closed-the-analog-hole/#post-142567 <![CDATA[Re: apple has closed the analog hole]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/apple-has-closed-the-analog-hole/#post-142567 Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:23:22 +0000 berad Quote: joshua goldberg wrote on Tue, 14 October 2008 16:56
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> it’s not quite as bad as i had supposed. you can go from mini
> displayport to vga to svid/composite.
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Well, yeah, you can get a $100 scan converter to do that, but I would prefer the old $19 mini-DVI to Video adaptor.

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/apple-has-closed-the-analog-hole/#post-142568 <![CDATA[Re: apple has closed the analog hole]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/apple-has-closed-the-analog-hole/#post-142568 Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:31:34 +0000 joshua goldberg no. scan converters are terrible, and only useful if you’re working
in a non-NTSC-compliant resolution. vade pointed me this way:

http://www.computercasesandcables.com/ccc/CV-25120.html

for instance.

On Oct 15, 2008, at 11:23 AM, berad wrote:

>
> Quote: joshua goldberg wrote on Tue, 14 October 2008 16:56
> —————————————————-
>> it’s not quite as bad as i had supposed. you can go from mini
>> displayport to vga to svid/composite.
> —————————————————-
>
> Well, yeah, you can get a $100 scan converter to do that, but I
> would prefer the old $19 mini-DVI to Video adaptor.

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/apple-has-closed-the-analog-hole/#post-142569 <![CDATA[Re: apple has closed the analog hole]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/apple-has-closed-the-analog-hole/#post-142569 Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:47:52 +0000 berad I see, but the jury is still out on whether or not this would work with the NVidia cards through the display port. I’m not holding my breath as even Apple’s own DVI to Video adaptors have had a bad history of working with MacPros with NVidia cards. The pins have to be sending composite or S-Video signals. I remain hopeful this will work. First to test and give results gets a high-five.

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/apple-has-closed-the-analog-hole/#post-142570 <![CDATA[Re: apple has closed the analog hole]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/apple-has-closed-the-analog-hole/#post-142570 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:02:20 +0000 qfwfqduo Just curious: assuming the signal is mainly used for a video projector, why is the loss of s-video or composite such a big deal if VGA can still be used?

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/apple-has-closed-the-analog-hole/#post-142571 <![CDATA[Re: apple has closed the analog hole]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/apple-has-closed-the-analog-hole/#post-142571 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:24:58 +0000 vade Because many people uses video hardware/ mixers that only accept Y-C/CV input.

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/apple-has-closed-the-analog-hole/#post-142572 <![CDATA[Re: apple has closed the analog hole]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/apple-has-closed-the-analog-hole/#post-142572 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:37:52 +0000 joshua goldberg mixing without spending $5000 or more.

On Oct 16, 2008, at 1:02 PM, qfwfqduo wrote:

>
> Just curious: assuming the signal is mainly used for a video
> projector, why is the loss of s-video or composite such a big deal
> if VGA can still be used?

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/apple-has-closed-the-analog-hole/#post-142573 <![CDATA[Re: apple has closed the analog hole]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/apple-has-closed-the-analog-hole/#post-142573 Sat, 18 Oct 2008 07:58:43 +0000 yacine one among the many possible solutions

http://www.antonline.com/p_VGA2NTSCPRO-GP_96303.htm

> mixing without spending $5000 or more.
>
> On Oct 16, 2008, at 1:02 PM, qfwfqduo wrote:
>
>>
>> Just curious: assuming the signal is mainly used for a video
>> projector, why is the loss of s-video or composite such a big deal
>> if VGA can still be used?
>

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/apple-has-closed-the-analog-hole/#post-142574 <![CDATA[Re: apple has closed the analog hole]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/apple-has-closed-the-analog-hole/#post-142574 Sat, 18 Oct 2008 12:07:58 +0000 berad >one among the many possible solutions
>http://www.antonline.com/p_VGA2NTSCPRO-GP_96303.htm

Certainly the use of a scan converter is possible. The point is, what cost $19 to do a week ago now costs $100 or more ($30 for the displayport to VGA adaptor and another $70 for the scan converter). This coupled with the removal of a firewire port on both the MB and MBP and no CPU performance upgrades just has me stopping for a second and saying “what the heck am I getting for this extra money?” The answer is, graphics performance, and that is fantastic, no doubt, but seems hardly worth it.

I am sick of Apple compromising functionality for form. They have the room in these new things for a Firewire port and they at least partially own the license for it so Firewire would have been no problem in the new machines.

The iPhone, the phone that owners use more than any other phone because it does so many things well, doesn’t have a replaceable battery because it would make it a tad bit thicker.

I could go on and on… just frustrating.

Mind you, I have NO problem with the move to DisplayPort. Precedent needs to be set for standards to take off, and much like the move to all USB and the gutting of the floppy drive on the iMac, Apple is often at the vanguard of these changes and should be. But in the past it’s always been coupled with a price-performance breakthrough. Now we have to pay $100 more to get less. Just a bummer.

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/apple-has-closed-the-analog-hole/#post-142575 <![CDATA[Re: apple has closed the analog hole]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/apple-has-closed-the-analog-hole/#post-142575 Sat, 18 Oct 2008 14:25:37 +0000 jsrousseau Dont have to pay any extras, just stick with you current laptop.
Apple creates desirability
JS

On 18-Oct-08, at 8:07 AM, berad wrote:

>
>> one among the many possible solutions
>> http://www.antonline.com/p_VGA2NTSCPRO-GP_96303.htm
>
> Certainly the use of a scan converter is possible. The point is,
> what cost $19 to do a week ago now costs $100 or more ($30 for the
> displayport to VGA adaptor and another $70 for the scan converter).
> This coupled with the removal of a firewire port on both the MB and
> MBP and no CPU performance upgrades just has me stopping for a
> second and saying “what the heck am I getting for this extra
> money?” The answer is, graphics performance, and that is fantastic,
> no doubt, but seems hardly worth it.
>
> I am sick of Apple compromising functionality for form. They have
> the room in these new things for a Firewire port and they at least
> partially own the license for it so Firewire would have been no
> problem in the new machines.
>
> The iPhone, the phone that owners use more than any other phone
> because it does so many things well, doesn’t have a replaceable
> battery because it would make it a tad bit thicker.
>
> I could go on and on… just frustrating.
>
> Mind you, I have NO problem with the move to DisplayPort. Precedent
> needs to be set for standards to take off, and much like the move
> to all USB and the gutting of the floppy drive on the iMac, Apple
> is often at the vanguard of these changes and should be. But in the
> past it’s always been coupled with a price-performance
> breakthrough. Now we have to pay $100 more to get less. Just a bummer.

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/apple-has-closed-the-analog-hole/#post-142576 <![CDATA[Re: apple has closed the analog hole]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/apple-has-closed-the-analog-hole/#post-142576 Sat, 18 Oct 2008 15:28:11 +0000 berad We are Apple resellers that sell products specifically to live production environments. Remember when Macs were THE multimedia computer? This just takes some of that away. I will likely keep my personal MacBook Pro for a while.

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