Nth logik

help needed with max/msp running on winXP

i just need to know what objects would be necessary to create a basic VST synth outline (layout,etc)

basic-vst-structure-help

A development guide and Pluggo building tutorials are included with the Pluggo documentation which can be found here:

Also, the Pluggo-specific objects are rather easy to find in the MSP reference manual and/or new object list (review the help patches within Max/MSP) since they all start with "plug".

These sources will give you all you need (including patches you can modify) to get started.

you might alos want [plugin~] and [plugout~] in a plug-in.

for automation you need to learn [pp] before you start 

using midi or inter-plug-in communication is for experts

only (experts in terms of having a lot of time for

experiments/bugfixing/finding out whats possible and how

for automation you need to learn [pp] before you start 
using [plugmultiparam].

using midi or inter-plug-in communication is for experts
only (experts in terms of having a lot of time for
experiments/bugfixing/finding out whats possible and how
 ... and why ...)

roman .... i got the plugin to play sounds upon the plugin's UI within the fruityloops program ... i just need to know what widgets i need to use for the plugin to reference audio to fruity's step sequencer so it may be sequenced

from what i know about FL its a proper VST host so i guess

[plugmidiin], which works like [midiin], should do the job.

probably not in effect plug-ins, but for sure in a synth.

from what i know about FL its a proper VST host so i guess
[plugmidiin], which works like [midiin], should do the job.
probably not in effect plug-ins, but for sure in a synth.


ok ... i've added the plugmidiin ( and studied the help/tutorial upon it ...) and it still works the same way ... its not yet referencing notes to fruitys step sequencer or piano roll

or if someone could just build a basic plugin outline attached to a basic FM synth.pat and then i could take it from there....

nevermind ..... while having a few mixed drinks .... i figured out this grandeous VST structure..... thnx to those who guided me .... but now i'll focus on completing some of the synths i would want to distro to the market for those who would ask for new tools to deal with in their production

actually i have a synth that can register sounds correctly within fruity's step sequencer and piano roll module, but when i keep the mouse held more than a second and then release the mouse to place a note within either, it plays an extra note of the last key value played/struck/sequenced in fruity.

and within the piano roll module when i try to arrange notes in building a chord-like sequence and run it, it only plays a single note at a time, not all the notes combined as it should.

can anyone possibly explain to me in detail how i can fix these 2 problems? i am willing to share completed synths if its necessary.

i read through just about all of the tutorial areas closely where these certain widgets i have involved in my synth patch,... and they are not very helpful, unfortunately.

and within the piano roll module when i try to arrange notes in  building a chord-like sequence and run it, it only plays a single note at a time, not all the notes combined as it should.

btw......
i read through just about all of the tutorial areas closely where these certain widgets i have involved in my synth patch,... and they are not very helpful, unfortunately.


without the patch its difficult to tell what could be going wrong... but what i can recomend is that you debug the patch in max first. does the polyphony / midi note triggering work as expected under max? have u tested it with an external midi keyboard?

then you can define whether the problem comes from the vst host or the plugin patch itself.

also for tutorials on polyphony check the MSP tutorials manual, p.169.

if i were to send you this patch could you figure out what i've done wrong/not included in it to solve the repeated notes/polyphony issues ? i was tryin to resolve this matter ASAP.... would you be willing to meet me in either of the following chat clients...

AIM      = boodasmokechamp  
MSN msgr = elektr0kid@hotmail.com

oh uh do not recruit for other clans here. :)

you can send attachements to the forums or paste your 

many here will be able to fix your issues by one look

you can send attachements to the forums or paste your 
patch as text.

many here will be able to fix your issues by one look
intothe patch.


i dont really know what that means but if i must only be allowed to upload the patch thru here,fine, as you wish..... 

btw,.. all those who would examine this patch and when loading it into a VST host keep in mind i've ONLY tested this patch within fruityloops 3.56 & orion platinum 5.5,.... and NO other sequencers

also .... of those who would examine this patch and could explain to me how to fix the problems i previously mentioned, could someone send me/make available a patch that is fixed (corrected) form that would work correctly in either previously mentioned sequencers

i dont really know what that means but if i must only be allowed to upload the patch thru here,fine, as you wish..... 
btw,.. all those who would examine this patch and when loading it into a VST host keep in mind i've ONLY tested this patch within fruityloops 3.56 & orion platinum 5.5,.... and NO other sequencers

also .... of those who would examine this patch and could explain to me how to fix the problems i previously mentioned, could someone  send me/make available a patch that is fixed (corrected) form that would work correctly in either previously mentioned sequencers

i built a simple 16 note polyphony patch synth..... and it seems to arrange chords correctly in fruity's piano roll but i still am hearing a repeated note affect.... so if one or more of those who might have DL'd the patch i upped could please help me with fixing this repeated note problem i'd be ever so thankful.

i built a simple 16 note polyphony patch synth..... and it seems to   arrange chords correctly in fruity's piano roll but i still am hearing a repeated note affect.... so if one or more of those who might have DL'd the patch i upped could please help me with fixing this repeated note problem i'd be ever so thankful.


having looked at ur patch, there are a number of issues:

1. a midi note msg is made up of 2 parts, the note on and the note off. so for example, a note on is 60 127 which is c3 with velocity of 127. the note off would be 60 0. in ur patch there is no filter for the note off section which will currently retrigger the envelope. use sel 0 to filter out the note off, then it wont re-trigger the envelpoe on the note off msg.

2. ur patch is monophonic, u need to look at the tutorials (especially the one i posted previously) to understand how to use poly~. this will make your patch polyphonic, and enable u to play chords.

3. tri and saw oscillators are routed into plugin~???? why?????

these should be added together and multiplied by 0.5 to keep amplitude within -1. <> 1. or u could create a xfader between the 2 oscillators so that u can change the timbre of the synth.

finally, it looks like u should redo both the MSP tutorials, and darwin grosse tutorials - both listed in posts above!

these will give u a better understanding of programming synths in maxmsp. i would post back a corrected version of your patch, but time is a luxury which i dont have at the moment! and doing it urself means that u will learn it properly rather than looking at a corrected patch and going why has he done that?

as someone once said to me: "the more u do, the more u do..."

3. tri and saw oscillators are routed into plugin~???? why?????
these should be added together and multiplied by 0.5 to keep amplitude within -1. <> 1. or u could create a xfader between the 2 oscillators so that u can change the timbre of the synth.

finally, it looks like u should redo both the MSP tutorials, and darwin grosse tutorials - both listed in posts above!
these will give u a better understanding of programming synths in maxmsp. i would post back a corrected version of your patch, but time is a luxury which i dont have at the moment! and doing it urself means that u will learn it properly rather than looking at a corrected patch and going why has he done that?

as someone once said to me: "the more u do, the more u do..."


as my last post indicated .... i did build a separate patch that is a 16 note polyphony synth working correctly in fruityloops 3.56 with arranging chord-like notes (a basic synth that calls upon the "poly~" object to produce up to 16 copies of an internal structure as i've seen from the simple polyphony tutorial) though it still repeats a note....

"a midi note msg is made up of 2 parts, the note on and the note off. so for example, a note on is 60 127 which is c3 with velocity of 127. the note off would be 60 0. in ur patch there is no filter for the note off section which will currently retrigger the envelope. use sel 0 to filter out the note off, then it wont re-trigger the envelope on the note off msg."

the above instruction is all i need to figure out

since i currently have a working polyphony model to reference from... this [sel 0] object ? can i know where it needs to be within my posted structure so i may make the proper adjustments ?

as my last post indicated .... i did build a separate patch that is a 16 note polyphony synth working correctly in fruityloops 3.56 with arranging chord-like notes (a basic synth that calls upon the "poly~" object to produce up to 16 copies of an internal structure as i've seen from the simple polyphony tutorial) though it still repeats a note.... 

the above instruction is all i need to figure out
since i currently have a working polyphony model to reference from... this [sel 0] object ? can i know where it needs to be within my posted structure so i may make the proper adjustments ?


16/11/06, kl. 1:23 +0100 , skrev enth lojeek:

>the above instruction is all i need to figure out

>since i currently have a working polyphony model to reference from...

>this [sel 0] object ? can i know where it needs to be within my posted

>structure so i may make the proper adjustments ?

I would recommend stripnote for this task.

And yes the MSP and Darwin Grosse tutorials are VERY usefull, also don't

skip the Max tutorials, lot's of good stuff there too...

>the above instruction is all i need to figure out
>since i currently have a working polyphony model to reference from...
>this [sel 0] object ? can i know where it needs to be within my posted
>structure so i may make the proper adjustments ?

And yes the MSP and Darwin Grosse tutorials are VERY usefull, also don't
skip the Max tutorials, lot's of good stuff there too...
/J


question ?
do i save that text as a *.pat??


Copy the text and select New From Clipboard in the Max file menu. (Since Max 4.5.5).

>>> 3. tri and saw oscillators are routed into plugin~???? why?????

he is excercising already for the upcoming MAXMSP 5.1 

update, where this will be standard way of ruining your

he is excercising already for the upcoming MAXMSP 5.1 
update, where this will be standard way of ruining your
synth patch.

Quote: Nth logik wrote on Fri, 17 November 2006 19:32

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(on windows, on OS X .txt or nothing should work too.)

Quote: Nth logik wrote on Fri, 17 November 2006 19:32
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> question ?
> do i save that text as a *.pat??
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(on windows, on OS X .txt or nothing should work too.)


Go to file-open and grab one of the FM patches to work on. Just do it like your writing code, copy what you need and tweak the rest.

basic VST structure help ?