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Beginners Book or Tutorials for Max/Msp basics

September 13, 2007 | 4:31 pm

Hello Cycling crew

Everytime I find something exciting it’s something someone has created in Max/Msp. I’ve always thought I would like to learn Max/Msp. Can anyone recommend a more current educational resource than this book listed on the resource guide of the cycling74 site ?
"Composing Interactive Music: Techniques and Ideas Using Max" By Todd Winkle. It would be great if there was a more current book.

I’de like to see if I can use Max/Msp to prototype my own music / rhythm based game design mechanics. I have a background in audio post production for TV and Film. Based in Toronto Canada.

Thanks
Joel


September 13, 2007 | 4:47 pm

I hate to be that guy, but have you tried the tutorials and looked at
the stuff in the examples folders?

Keith

On 9/13/07, Joel Walsh wrote:
>
> Hello Cycling crew
>
> Everytime I find something exciting it’s something someone has created in Max/Msp. I’ve always thought I would like to learn Max/Msp. Can anyone recommend a more current educational resource than this book listed on the resource guide of the cycling74 site ?
> "Composing Interactive Music: Techniques and Ideas Using Max" By Todd Winkle. It would be great if there was a more current book.
>
> I’de like to see if I can use Max/Msp to prototype my own music / rhythm based game design mechanics. I have a background in audio post production for TV and Film. Based in Toronto Canada.
>
>
> Thanks
> Joel
>


September 13, 2007 | 5:46 pm

There’s an extensive set of easy-to-follow tutorials that come with Max/MSP. I can’t think of a better resource. That Max/MSP is so well documented is perhaps one important reason that there aren’t more reference books about it published.

This list is also a treasure of helpful expertise with no shortage of people who work in "rhythm based", "game design", etc.

My advice would be to try out the tutorials that come with Max/MSP with the 30 day trial (if you haven’t already). If you need any more help, try asking specifically "How do I do ______?"

Hope that helps.

Cheers,
Brian

> —– Original Message —–
> From: "Joel Walsh"
> Subject: [maxmsp] Beginners Book or Tutorials for Max/Msp basics
> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:31:55 -0600
>
>
>
> Hello Cycling crew
>
> Everytime I find something exciting it’s something someone has
> created in Max/Msp. I’ve always thought I would like to learn
> Max/Msp. Can anyone recommend a more current educational resource
> than this book listed on the resource guide of the cycling74 site ?
> "Composing Interactive Music: Techniques and Ideas Using Max" By
> Todd Winkle. It would be great if there was a more current book.
>
> I’de like to see if I can use Max/Msp to prototype my own music /
> rhythm based game design mechanics. I have a background in audio
> post production for TV and Film. Based in Toronto Canada.
>
>
> Thanks
> Joel

>


September 13, 2007 | 6:27 pm

I have downloaded the documentation and started reading the turoials in there. Thanks for your reply.


September 13, 2007 | 7:03 pm

ftp://arts.ucsc.edu/pub/ems/MaxTutors

ftp://arts.ucsc.edu/pub/ems/Lobjects

These might apply to you as well. As for books, I haven’t found any
that apply spefically to Max. I would suggest to go over the
tutorials and examples and learn those (you can learn a lot from those
and wikipedia), and also read up on more general texts about what you
want to do. If you have questions about how to put the two together,
you can always search the forum or post.

Keith

On 9/13/07, Joel Walsh wrote:
>
> I have downloaded the documentation and started reading the turoials in there. Thanks for your reply.
>


September 13, 2007 | 8:20 pm

Cycling74′s articles section has some good info too. If you are interested in making synthesizers, take a look at this:
http://www.cycling74.com/story/2007/8/20/111019/403
It’s a good idea to go through the tutorials first though.

I don’t know of any other Max-specific books either. If you are looking for some general computer music books, I’d suggest:

The Computer Music Tutorial – This is a classic. It’s a little dated and doesn’t go into the material very deeply, but it is a very broad introduction to all things computer music related.

Musimathics (2 Volumes). Great books for learning the math behind music, if you care to know.

For specialized topics, this guy’s amazon.com book lists might give you some ideas:
http://www.amazon.com/Sound-Processing-Programming-amp-Synthesis/lm/1L5UWDO07V7WY
http://www.amazon.com/algorithmic-music-techniques/lm/R2S9HN7S89F74Z

http://www.amazon.com/Digital-Signal-Processing/lm/R1AZOBLVXTYT36

-Adam


September 13, 2007 | 9:10 pm

A relatively Max-specific book (not exclusively, but many Max
examples) is Robert Rowe’s ‘Machine Musicianship’ (MIT press 2001)
which includes a CD-ROM with relevant C++ classes and a number of Max
patches as examples. If you’re looking to instantiate some relatively
traditional notions of ‘musicianship’ into interactive software, it’s
a good place to start. For more info and opinions on it, you can read
the review of it I wrote for Computer Music Journal Vol. 27 No. 2,
Spring 2003.

On Sep 13, 2007, at 2:20 PM, Adam Murray wrote:

> I don’t know of any other Max-specific books either.

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September 13, 2007 | 10:47 pm

not so many books , but many places on line to check out.
for starters :

check the CNMAT tutorials, download the CNMAT depot , at http://www.cnmat.berkeley.edu/MAX/downloads/

and also the RTC lib ( for rythm, algorythmic composition ) http://www.essl.at/works/rtc.html

good luck

Quote: Studio13 wrote on Thu, 13 September 2007 18:31
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> Hello Cycling crew
>
> Everytime I find something exciting it’s something someone has created in Max/Msp. I’ve always thought I would like to learn Max/Msp. Can anyone recommend a more current educational resource than this book listed on the resource guide of the cycling74 site ?
> "Composing Interactive Music: Techniques and Ideas Using Max" By Todd Winkle. It would be great if there was a more current book.
>
> I’de like to see if I can use Max/Msp to prototype my own music / rhythm based game design mechanics. I have a background in audio post production for TV and Film. Based in Toronto Canada.
>
>
> Thanks
> Joel
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September 15, 2007 | 1:31 am

Thanks again for everyones reply ..very helpful. I have allot of reading to do


September 17, 2007 | 8:56 pm

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