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Boolean flags and OpenSoundControl/udpsend

December 5, 2006 | 10:30 pm

I am a Max/MSP newbie, and having some difficulty with the udpsend object and trying to get it to pass Boolean flags with OpenSoundControl UDP packets.

I am trying to send the following message:

/set "Input 1 Mute" true

Which should get formatted by udpsend to the following:

/set ,sT input 1 mute

Instead, however, I get:

/set ,ss input 1 mute true.

I can’t seem to figure out how to make the udpsend object recognize "true" as a boolean, instead of a string (or an integer if I send "1".)

I have tried running all my message boxes through the OpenSoundControl external, but it doesn’t seem to change anything (in sniffing the packets, it seems to be adding on some header information, but the actual data portion of the packet stays the same.)

Any help is greatly appreciated…as I said, I am new at this and having some difficulty.



kp*
December 6, 2006 | 12:03 am

howdy,

I am traveling quite a bit these days and am looking for something
small that i could used to control my max patches live.
Here i can use the Oxygen, or the venerable Peavey 1600, but i am
really looking for something very portable that would
have some of the knobs and maybe even sliders that one find on the
top of the M-Audio Ozone or the Ozonic, but without
the keyboard portion. I just want a small box for knob twiddling that
i can throw in my luggage and keep handy for coffee
house gigs and jams on the road. I gig with a huge rig here, but am
trying to get a small gigable subset and moving a lot
of my analog stuff to max and using a knob-box and some home-rigged
controllers might allow me to be more portable.

any suggestions?

cheers,

kevin


December 6, 2006 | 12:32 am

This just in:

http://www.kentonuk.com/kenton/killamix/killamix.html

.e

On Dec 5, 2006, at 7:03 PM, kevin parks wrote:

> howdy,
>
> I am traveling quite a bit these days and am looking for something
> small that i could used to control my max patches live.
> Here i can use the Oxygen, or the venerable Peavey 1600, but i am
> really looking for something very portable that would
> have some of the knobs and maybe even sliders that one find on the
> top of the M-Audio Ozone or the Ozonic, but without
> the keyboard portion. I just want a small box for knob twiddling
> that i can throw in my luggage and keep handy for coffee
> house gigs and jams on the road. I gig with a huge rig here, but am
> trying to get a small gigable subset and moving a lot
> of my analog stuff to max and using a knob-box and some home-rigged
> controllers might allow me to be more portable.
>
> any suggestions?
>
>
>
> cheers,
>
> kevin
>
>
>
>
>



kp*
December 6, 2006 | 12:58 am


December 6, 2006 | 1:15 am

I’d like to partially hijack this thread:

I’m looking for something very similar to what Kevin described, but I
have two more details to add.

1. MIDI out (with Mackie Control emulation?)

2. Good quality construction – I tried a Novation and was terribly
disappointed by the physical quality of the controller components. I
need something that can be played musically. (If I’m touching it, it’s
not all about the software.)

If responses to Kevin’s inquiry could also address these details, I’d be
grateful.

Thanks!

-Jon

kevin parks wrote:
> yes totally the type of thing i am looking for.
> That is dang sexy ….
>
> On Dec 5, 2006, at 7:32 PM, Ean White wrote:
>> http://www.kentonuk.com/kenton/killamix/killamix.html
>>
>> On Dec 5, 2006, at 7:03 PM, kevin parks wrote:
>>
>>> I am traveling quite a bit these days and am looking for something
>>> small that i could used to control my max patches live.



kp*
December 6, 2006 | 1:41 am

I should also mention, one controller that i wonder about is the

M-Audio Trigger Finger MIDI Controller with Pads

This isn’t nearly as small or as portable as i’m hoping for, nor was
it the configuration i had in mind (i’d rather have more knobs
and sliders and fewer trigger pads) but the price is right @ right
around
2 bills. … hmm…

-k–


December 6, 2006 | 2:26 am

I’ve been using the Evolution UC-33 for a few months now, and I like
it quite a bit. I replaced my PC-1600x and an old FaderMaster with it.

http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/UC33e-main.html

—-
Steven M. Miller

Associate Professor of Contemporary Music
College of Santa Fe
Contemporary Music Program
1600 St. Michaels Drive
Santa Fe NM 87505
http://pubweb.csf.edu/~smill
(505) 473-6197

SFIFEM
Atrium Sound Space
OVOS



kp*
December 6, 2006 | 2:48 am

That’s my front runner. I was hoping for something smaller still, but
it is
in the running.

I hear various things about the Berhinger… word is they are okay if
you get one
that actually works, but apparently that is not a given…

The Evolution looks sweet, but i wish they made one about 1/2 the
size, and sans
faders… still looks nice.

-kp–

On Dec 5, 2006, at 9:26 PM, Steven Miller wrote:

> I’ve been using the Evolution UC-33 for a few months now, and I
> like it quite a bit. I replaced my PC-1600x and an old FaderMaster
> with it.
>
> http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/UC33e-main.html
>
> —-
> Steven M. Miller
>
> Associate Professor of Contemporary Music
> College of Santa Fe
> Contemporary Music Program
> 1600 St. Michaels Drive
> Santa Fe NM 87505
> http://pubweb.csf.edu/~smill
> (505) 473-6197
>
> SFIFEM
> Atrium Sound Space
> OVOS
>
>


December 6, 2006 | 2:56 am

http://www.jlcooper.com/pages/cs32.html

I don’t think they manufacture this item any longer but you might
find one used on eBay or Craigs List

check the FAQ here:

http://www.jlcooper.com/pages/cs32support.html


December 6, 2006 | 4:49 am

Evolution used to make a small controller with 16 knobs.
UC-16 i think it was called. Don’t know why they stopped
making them, but you can find them on ebay. Other than
that, there aren’t too many options. I was actually very excited
when I saw the Kenton controller, I really like the x-y joystick.
But the price is outrageous.

Anthony

—– Original Message —–
From: "Ean White"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [maxmsp] small portable controller boxes

> This just in:
>
> http://www.kentonuk.com/kenton/killamix/killamix.html
>
> .e
>
>
> On Dec 5, 2006, at 7:03 PM, kevin parks wrote:
>
> > howdy,
> >
> > I am traveling quite a bit these days and am looking for something
> > small that i could used to control my max patches live.
> > Here i can use the Oxygen, or the venerable Peavey 1600, but i am
> > really looking for something very portable that would
> > have some of the knobs and maybe even sliders that one find on the
> > top of the M-Audio Ozone or the Ozonic, but without
> > the keyboard portion. I just want a small box for knob twiddling
> > that i can throw in my luggage and keep handy for coffee
> > house gigs and jams on the road. I gig with a huge rig here, but am
> > trying to get a small gigable subset and moving a lot
> > of my analog stuff to max and using a knob-box and some home-rigged
> > controllers might allow me to be more portable.
> >
> > any suggestions?
> >
> >
> >
> > cheers,
> >
> > kevin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>



kp*
December 6, 2006 | 5:28 am

Dang … that is exactly the ticket! why’d they stop making those things
that totally rocks!

-k

On Dec 5, 2006, at 11:49 PM, Anthony Palomba wrote:

> Evolution used to make a small controller with 16 knobs.
> UC-16 i think it was called. Don’t know why they stopped
> making them, but you can find them on ebay. Other than
> that, there aren’t too many options. I was actually very excited
> when I saw the Kenton controller, I really like the x-y joystick.
> But the price is outrageous.
>
>
>
> Anthony
>
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: "Ean White"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 6:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [maxmsp] small portable controller boxes
>
>
>> This just in:
>>
>> http://www.kentonuk.com/kenton/killamix/killamix.html
>>
>> .e
>>
>>
>> On Dec 5, 2006, at 7:03 PM, kevin parks wrote:
>>
>>> howdy,
>>>
>>> I am traveling quite a bit these days and am looking for something
>>> small that i could used to control my max patches live.
>>> Here i can use the Oxygen, or the venerable Peavey 1600, but i am
>>> really looking for something very portable that would
>>> have some of the knobs and maybe even sliders that one find on the
>>> top of the M-Audio Ozone or the Ozonic, but without
>>> the keyboard portion. I just want a small box for knob twiddling
>>> that i can throw in my luggage and keep handy for coffee
>>> house gigs and jams on the road. I gig with a huge rig here, but am
>>> trying to get a small gigable subset and moving a lot
>>> of my analog stuff to max and using a knob-box and some home-rigged
>>> controllers might allow me to be more portable.
>>>
>>> any suggestions?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>>
>>> kevin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>


December 6, 2006 | 6:35 am

CS-32 miniDESK on ebay now

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230060420609&fromMakeTrack=true

Do you Yahoo!?
Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.

http://new.mail.yahoo.com



kp*
December 6, 2006 | 6:47 am

yeah, uhm… thanks for pointing that out to everyone …. i am sure
that wont drive the price up.

On Dec 6, 2006, at 1:35 AM, Chubb wrote:

>
> CS-32 miniDESK on ebay now
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
> ViewItem&item=230060420609&fromMakeTrack=true
>
>
>
>
> ______________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
> http://new.mail.yahoo.com


December 6, 2006 | 9:18 am

These are nice …

http://faderfox.de/index.html

david

On 6 Dec 2006, at 6:47, kevin parks wrote:

> yeah, uhm… thanks for pointing that out to everyone …. i am
> sure that wont drive the price up.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 6, 2006, at 1:35 AM, Chubb wrote:
>
>>
>> CS-32 miniDESK on ebay now
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
>> ViewItem&item=230060420609&fromMakeTrack=true
>>


December 6, 2006 | 9:22 am

hi,

also get a look at doepfer pocket fader, it’s really portable! But
you need knobs?

http://www.doepfer.de/pf.htm

cheers

lorenzo

Il giorno 06/dic/06, alle ore 01:03, kevin parks ha scritto:

> howdy,
>
> I am traveling quite a bit these days and am looking for something
> small that i could used to control my max patches live.
> Here i can use the Oxygen, or the venerable Peavey 1600, but i am
> really looking for something very portable that would
> have some of the knobs and maybe even sliders that one find on the
> top of the M-Audio Ozone or the Ozonic, but without
> the keyboard portion. I just want a small box for knob twiddling
> that i can throw in my luggage and keep handy for coffee
> house gigs and jams on the road. I gig with a huge rig here, but am
> trying to get a small gigable subset and moving a lot
> of my analog stuff to max and using a knob-box and some home-rigged
> controllers might allow me to be more portable.
>
> any suggestions?
>
>
>
> cheers,
>
> kevin
>
>
>
>
>


December 6, 2006 | 9:24 am

and also for knobs

http://www.doepfer.de/pc.htm

but it’s sold out, look on ebay

L

Il giorno 06/dic/06, alle ore 01:03, kevin parks ha scritto:

> howdy,
>
> I am traveling quite a bit these days and am looking for something
> small that i could used to control my max patches live.
> Here i can use the Oxygen, or the venerable Peavey 1600, but i am
> really looking for something very portable that would
> have some of the knobs and maybe even sliders that one find on the
> top of the M-Audio Ozone or the Ozonic, but without
> the keyboard portion. I just want a small box for knob twiddling
> that i can throw in my luggage and keep handy for coffee
> house gigs and jams on the road. I gig with a huge rig here, but am
> trying to get a small gigable subset and moving a lot
> of my analog stuff to max and using a knob-box and some home-rigged
> controllers might allow me to be more portable.
>
> any suggestions?
>
>
>
> cheers,
>
> kevin
>
>
>
>
>


December 6, 2006 | 10:29 am

On 6 Dec 2006, at 02:56, Kim Cascone wrote:

> http://www.jlcooper.com/pages/cs32.html

JLCooper also made something called the FM3 FaderBaby (of which I
have a couple) – a very small, solid, metal sixteen-fader unit. The
only downside is that it’s MIDI I/O and MIDI powered, which means
more linkage to make it work.

David S. mentioned the FaderFox stuff – I see from their web site
that there’s a whole new generation of units. Again, these are MIDI
rather than USB.

(My control surface of choice is the CM Motor-Mix, but that only
counts as small by the standards of 1980′s MIDI rigs…)

– N.

nick rothwell — composition, systems, performance — http://
http://www.cassiel.com


December 6, 2006 | 3:24 pm

Steven, does this unit have the ability to send sysex messages or
arbitrary length, in addition to continuous controller messages, like
the venerable PC-1600x?

Dan

At 7:26 PM -0700 12/5/06, Steven Miller wrote:
>I’ve been using the Evolution UC-33 for a few months now, and I like
>it quite a bit. I replaced my PC-1600x and an old FaderMaster with
>it.
>
>http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/UC33e-main.html


Dan Nigrin
Defective Records
202 Hack / PC-1600 User / VSTi Host / OMS Convert / Jack OS X
http://www.defectiverecords.com

http://www.jackosx.com


December 6, 2006 | 5:26 pm

Hi Dan,

It does handle sysex, though not as easily as the PC-1600x – it’s a
little more involved to program. The manuals with all the programming
info can be downloaded from the following website:

http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=support.manuals

Best,

Steven

On Dec 6, 2006, at 8:24 AM, Dan Nigrin wrote:

> Steven, does this unit have the ability to send sysex messages or
> arbitrary length, in addition to continuous controller messages,
> like the venerable PC-1600x?
>
> Dan
>
> At 7:26 PM -0700 12/5/06, Steven Miller wrote:
>> I’ve been using the Evolution UC-33 for a few months now, and I
>> like it quite a bit. I replaced my PC-1600x and an old FaderMaster
>> with it.
>>
>> http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/UC33e-main.html
>

—-
Steven M. Miller

Associate Professor of Contemporary Music
College of Santa Fe
Contemporary Music Program
1600 St. Michaels Drive
Santa Fe NM 87505
http://pubweb.csf.edu/~smill
(505) 473-6197

SFIFEM
Atrium Sound Space
OVOS


December 6, 2006 | 8:36 pm

Thanks Steve – now that I read the manual though, it seems only a
subset of sysex messages (General MIDI ones) are supported (GM 1 &
2)….

Dan

At 10:26 AM -0700 12/6/06, Steven Miller wrote:
>Hi Dan,
>
>It does handle sysex, though not as easily as the PC-1600x – it’s a
>little more involved to program. The manuals with all the
>programming info can be downloaded from the following website:
>
>http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=support.manuals
>
>
>Best,
>
>Steven
>
>On Dec 6, 2006, at 8:24 AM, Dan Nigrin wrote:
>
>>Steven, does this unit have the ability to send sysex messages or
>>arbitrary length, in addition to continuous controller messages,
>>like the venerable PC-1600x?
>>
>>Dan
>>
>>At 7:26 PM -0700 12/5/06, Steven Miller wrote:
>>>I’ve been using the Evolution UC-33 for a few months now, and I
>>>like it quite a bit. I replaced my PC-1600x and an old FaderMaster
>>>with it.
>>>
>>>http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/UC33e-main.html
>>
>
>—-
>Steven M. Miller
>
>Associate Professor of Contemporary Music
>College of Santa Fe
>Contemporary Music Program
>1600 St. Michaels Drive
>Santa Fe NM 87505
>http://pubweb.csf.edu/~smill
>(505) 473-6197
>
>SFIFEM
>Atrium Sound Space
>OVOS
>
>


Dan Nigrin
Defective Records
202 Hack / PC-1600 User / VSTi Host / OMS Convert / Jack OS X
http://www.defectiverecords.com

http://www.jackosx.com


December 6, 2006 | 9:56 pm

You could be right, Dan. I haven’t yet gotten that far into the unit.
So far I’m using it pretty much exclusively with/through MaxMSP,
which (for my purposes, at least) obviates the need to program much
inside the unit itself beyond MIDI channel assignments and controller
numbers.

On Dec 6, 2006, at 1:36 PM, Dan Nigrin wrote:

> Thanks Steve – now that I read the manual though, it seems only a
> subset of sysex messages (General MIDI ones) are supported (GM 1 &
> 2)….
>
> Dan
>

—-
Steven M. Miller

Associate Professor of Contemporary Music
College of Santa Fe
Contemporary Music Program
1600 St. Michaels Drive
Santa Fe NM 87505
http://pubweb.csf.edu/~smill
(505) 473-6197

SFIFEM
Atrium Sound Space
OVOS


December 7, 2006 | 2:00 am


December 7, 2006 | 2:36 am

If you wanna go the super-cheap route, grab a dual-analog USB video-game
controller and swap out the analog joysticks for some potentiometers.
This will only cost you about $20 in parts (not including whatever box
you wanna use), and it’s readily useable with the "hi" object in MaxMSP.
I’ve made several live controllers this way. What’s more, you
generally get 8-10bit resolution with those HID devices vs. the 7-bit
you get out of MIDI.

Cheers,
Andrew B.


December 9, 2006 | 11:06 pm

kevin parks wrote:
> That’s my front runner. I was hoping for something smaller still, but
> it is in the running.
>
> I hear various things about the Berhinger… word is they are okay if
> you get one that actually works, but apparently that is not a
> given…

The bigger problem with the Behringer: its not big, It’s huge…

> The Evolution looks sweet, but i wish they made one about 1/2 the
> size, and sans faders… still looks nice.

Unfortunately all the boxes I use are out of production:
Fostex MixTAB: 50 controlers, small
Doepfer PocketFader and PocketDial: rugged (fits perfectly to dlurks
needs) also small.

You might find Doepfers used, but the become rare… I never saw a
MixTAB sold on eBay absolutely understandable…
If it breaks I probably have to build my own.

Another small option is FaderFox: http://faderfox.de/
Seems small, the design is a matter of taste I guess…

Stefan


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