gothamist

I am a Max/MSP newbie, and having some difficulty with the udpsend object and trying to get it to pass Boolean flags with OpenSoundControl UDP packets.

I am trying to send the following message:

Which should get formatted by udpsend to the following:

I can't seem to figure out how to make the udpsend object recognize "true" as a boolean, instead of a string (or an integer if I send "1".)

I have tried running all my message boxes through the OpenSoundControl external, but it doesn't seem to change anything (in sniffing the packets, it seems to be adding on some header information, but the actual data portion of the packet stays the same.)

Any help is greatly appreciated...as I said, I am new at this and having some difficulty.

boolean-flags-and-opensoundcontroludpsend

I am traveling quite a bit these days and am looking for something 

small that i could used to control my max patches live.

Here i can use the Oxygen, or the venerable Peavey 1600, but i am 

really looking for something very portable that would

have some of the knobs and maybe even sliders that one find on the 

top of the M-Audio Ozone or the Ozonic, but without

the keyboard portion. I just want a small box for knob twiddling that 

i can throw in my luggage and keep handy for coffee

house gigs and jams on the road. I gig with a huge rig here, but am 

trying to get a small gigable subset and moving a lot

of my analog stuff to max and using a knob-box and some home-rigged 

controllers might allow me to be more portable.

I am traveling quite a bit these days and am looking for something  
small that i could used to control my max patches live.
Here i can use the Oxygen, or the venerable Peavey 1600, but i am  
really looking for something very portable that would
have some of the knobs and maybe even sliders that one find on the  
top of the M-Audio Ozone or the Ozonic, but without
the keyboard portion. I just want a small box for knob twiddling that  
i can throw in my luggage and keep handy for coffee
house gigs and jams on the road. I gig with a huge rig here, but am  
trying to get a small gigable subset and moving a lot
of my analog stuff to max and using a knob-box and some home-rigged  
controllers might allow me to be more portable.

http://www.kentonuk.com/kenton/killamix/killamix.html

On Dec 5, 2006, at 7:03 PM, kevin parks wrote:

> I am traveling quite a bit these days and am looking for something 

> small that i could used to control my max patches live.

> Here i can use the Oxygen, or the venerable Peavey 1600, but i am 

> really looking for something very portable that would

> have some of the knobs and maybe even sliders that one find on the 

> top of the M-Audio Ozone or the Ozonic, but without

> the keyboard portion. I just want a small box for knob twiddling 

> that i can throw in my luggage and keep handy for coffee

> house gigs and jams on the road. I gig with a huge rig here, but am 

> trying to get a small gigable subset and moving a lot

> of my analog stuff to max and using a knob-box and some home-rigged 

> controllers might allow me to be more portable.

> howdy,
>
> I am traveling quite a bit these days and am looking for something  
> small that i could used to control my max patches live.
> Here i can use the Oxygen, or the venerable Peavey 1600, but i am  
> really looking for something very portable that would
> have some of the knobs and maybe even sliders that one find on the  
> top of the M-Audio Ozone or the Ozonic, but without
> the keyboard portion. I just want a small box for knob twiddling  
> that i can throw in my luggage and keep handy for coffee
> house gigs and jams on the road. I gig with a huge rig here, but am  
> trying to get a small gigable subset and moving a lot
> of my analog stuff to max and using a knob-box and some home-rigged  
> controllers might allow me to be more portable.
>
> any suggestions?
>
>
>
> cheers,
>
> kevin
>
>
>
>
>


I'd like to partially hijack this thread:

I'm looking for something very similar to what Kevin described, but I 

1. MIDI out (with Mackie Control emulation?)

2. Good quality construction - I tried a Novation and was terribly 

disappointed by the physical quality of the controller components. I 

need something that can be played musically. (If I'm touching it, it's 

If responses to Kevin's inquiry could also address these details, I'd be 

> yes totally the type of thing i am looking for.

> On Dec 5, 2006, at 7:32 PM, Ean White wrote:

>> On Dec 5, 2006, at 7:03 PM, kevin parks wrote:

>>> I am traveling quite a bit these days and am looking for something 

>>> small that i could used to control my max patches live.

I'm looking for something very similar to what Kevin described, but I 
have two more details to add.

2. Good quality construction - I tried a Novation and was terribly 
disappointed by the physical quality of the controller components.  I 
need something that can be played musically.  (If I'm touching it, it's 
not all about the software.)

If responses to Kevin's inquiry could also address these details, I'd be 
grateful.

kevin parks wrote:
> yes totally the type of thing i am looking for.
> That is dang sexy ....
>
> On Dec 5, 2006, at 7:32 PM, Ean White wrote:
>> http://www.kentonuk.com/kenton/killamix/killamix.html
>>
>> On Dec 5, 2006, at 7:03 PM, kevin parks wrote:
>>
>>> I am traveling quite a bit these days and am looking for something 
>>> small that i could used to control my max patches live.


I should also mention, one controller that i wonder about is the

M-Audio Trigger Finger MIDI Controller with Pads

This isn't nearly as small or as portable as i'm hoping for, nor was

it the configuration i had in mind (i'd rather have more knobs

and sliders and fewer trigger pads) but the price is right @ right 

This isn't nearly as small or as portable as i'm hoping for, nor was
it the configuration i had in mind (i'd rather have more knobs
and sliders and fewer trigger pads) but the price is right @ right  
around
2 bills. ... hmm...

I've been using the Evolution UC-33 for a few months now, and I like 

it quite a bit. I replaced my PC-1600x and an old FaderMaster with it.

http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/UC33e-main.html

Associate Professor of Contemporary Music

I've been using the Evolution UC-33 for a few months now, and I like  
it quite a bit. I replaced my PC-1600x and an old FaderMaster with it.

Associate Professor of Contemporary Music
College of Santa Fe
Contemporary Music Program
1600 St. Michaels Drive
Santa Fe NM 87505
http://pubweb.csf.edu/~smill
(505) 473-6197

That's my front runner. I was hoping for something smaller still, but 

I hear various things about the Berhinger... word is they are okay if 

that actually works, but apparently that is not a given...

The Evolution looks sweet, but i wish they made one about 1/2 the 

On Dec 5, 2006, at 9:26 PM, Steven Miller wrote:

> I've been using the Evolution UC-33 for a few months now, and I 

> like it quite a bit. I replaced my PC-1600x and an old FaderMaster 

> Associate Professor of Contemporary Music

That's my front runner. I was hoping for something smaller still, but  
it is
in the running.

I hear various things about the Berhinger... word is they are okay if  
you get one
that actually works, but apparently that is not a given...

The Evolution looks sweet, but i wish they made one about 1/2 the  
size, and sans
faders... still looks nice.

> I've been using the Evolution UC-33 for a few months now, and I  
> like it quite a bit. I replaced my PC-1600x and an old FaderMaster  
> with it.
>
> http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/UC33e-main.html
>
> ----
> Steven M. Miller
>
> Associate Professor of Contemporary Music
> College of Santa Fe
> Contemporary Music Program
> 1600 St. Michaels Drive
> Santa Fe NM 87505
> http://pubweb.csf.edu/~smill
> (505) 473-6197
>
> SFIFEM
> Atrium Sound Space
> OVOS
>
>


I don't think they manufacture this item any longer but you might 

http://www.jlcooper.com/pages/cs32support.html

I don't think they manufacture this item any longer but you might  
find one used on eBay or Craigs List

Evolution used to make a small controller with 16 knobs.

UC-16 i think it was called. Don't know why they stopped

making them, but you can find them on ebay. Other than 

that, there aren't too many options. I was actually very excited

when I saw the Kenton controller, I really like the x-y joystick.

Subject: Re: [maxmsp] small portable controller boxes

> On Dec 5, 2006, at 7:03 PM, kevin parks wrote:

> > I am traveling quite a bit these days and am looking for something 

> > small that i could used to control my max patches live.

> > Here i can use the Oxygen, or the venerable Peavey 1600, but i am 

> > really looking for something very portable that would

> > have some of the knobs and maybe even sliders that one find on the 

> > top of the M-Audio Ozone or the Ozonic, but without

> > the keyboard portion. I just want a small box for knob twiddling 

> > that i can throw in my luggage and keep handy for coffee

> > house gigs and jams on the road. I gig with a huge rig here, but am 

> > trying to get a small gigable subset and moving a lot

> > of my analog stuff to max and using a knob-box and some home-rigged 

> > controllers might allow me to be more portable.

Evolution used to make a small controller with 16 knobs.
UC-16 i think it was called. Don't know why they stopped
making them, but you can find them on ebay. Other than 
that, there aren't too many options. I was actually very excited
when I saw the Kenton controller, I really like the x-y joystick.
But the price is outrageous.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ean White" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [maxmsp] small portable controller boxes

> This just in:
>
> http://www.kentonuk.com/kenton/killamix/killamix.html
>
> .e
>
>
> On Dec 5, 2006, at 7:03 PM, kevin parks wrote:
>
> > howdy,
> >
> > I am traveling quite a bit these days and am looking for something  
> > small that i could used to control my max patches live.
> > Here i can use the Oxygen, or the venerable Peavey 1600, but i am  
> > really looking for something very portable that would
> > have some of the knobs and maybe even sliders that one find on the  
> > top of the M-Audio Ozone or the Ozonic, but without
> > the keyboard portion. I just want a small box for knob twiddling  
> > that i can throw in my luggage and keep handy for coffee
> > house gigs and jams on the road. I gig with a huge rig here, but am  
> > trying to get a small gigable subset and moving a lot
> > of my analog stuff to max and using a knob-box and some home-rigged  
> > controllers might allow me to be more portable.
> >
> > any suggestions?
> >
> >
> >
> > cheers,
> >
> > kevin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>


Dang ... that is exactly the ticket! why'd they stop making those things

On Dec 5, 2006, at 11:49 PM, Anthony Palomba wrote:

> Evolution used to make a small controller with 16 knobs.

> UC-16 i think it was called. Don't know why they stopped

> making them, but you can find them on ebay. Other than

> that, there aren't too many options. I was actually very excited

> when I saw the Kenton controller, I really like the x-y joystick.

> Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 6:32 PM

> Subject: Re: [maxmsp] small portable controller boxes

>>> I am traveling quite a bit these days and am looking for something

>>> Here i can use the Oxygen, or the venerable Peavey 1600, but i am

>>> really looking for something very portable that would

>>> have some of the knobs and maybe even sliders that one find on the

>>> top of the M-Audio Ozone or the Ozonic, but without

>>> the keyboard portion. I just want a small box for knob twiddling

>>> that i can throw in my luggage and keep handy for coffee

>>> house gigs and jams on the road. I gig with a huge rig here, but am

>>> trying to get a small gigable subset and moving a lot

>>> of my analog stuff to max and using a knob-box and some home-rigged

>>> controllers might allow me to be more portable.

Dang ... that is exactly the ticket! why'd they stop making those things
that totally rocks!

> Evolution used to make a small controller with 16 knobs.
> UC-16 i think it was called. Don't know why they stopped
> making them, but you can find them on ebay. Other than
> that, there aren't too many options. I was actually very excited
> when I saw the Kenton controller, I really like the x-y joystick.
> But the price is outrageous.
>
>
>
> Anthony
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ean White" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 6:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [maxmsp] small portable controller boxes
>
>
>> This just in:
>>
>> http://www.kentonuk.com/kenton/killamix/killamix.html
>>
>> .e
>>
>>
>> On Dec 5, 2006, at 7:03 PM, kevin parks wrote:
>>
>>> howdy,
>>>
>>> I am traveling quite a bit these days and am looking for something
>>> small that i could used to control my max patches live.
>>> Here i can use the Oxygen, or the venerable Peavey 1600, but i am
>>> really looking for something very portable that would
>>> have some of the knobs and maybe even sliders that one find on the
>>> top of the M-Audio Ozone or the Ozonic, but without
>>> the keyboard portion. I just want a small box for knob twiddling
>>> that i can throw in my luggage and keep handy for coffee
>>> house gigs and jams on the road. I gig with a huge rig here, but am
>>> trying to get a small gigable subset and moving a lot
>>> of my analog stuff to max and using a knob-box and some home-rigged
>>> controllers might allow me to be more portable.
>>>
>>> any suggestions?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>>
>>> kevin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230060420609&fromMakeTrack=true

Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.

Do you Yahoo!?
Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
http://new.mail.yahoo.com


yeah, uhm... thanks for pointing that out to everyone .... i am sure 

> ViewItem&item=230060420609&fromMakeTrack=true

> Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.

yeah, uhm... thanks for pointing that out to everyone .... i am sure  
that wont drive the price up.

>
> CS-32 miniDESK on ebay now
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? 
> ViewItem&item=230060420609&fromMakeTrack=true
>
>
>
>
> ______________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
> http://new.mail.yahoo.com


On 6 Dec 2006, at 6:47, kevin parks wrote:

> yeah, uhm... thanks for pointing that out to everyone .... i am 

> On Dec 6, 2006, at 1:35 AM, Chubb wrote:

>> ViewItem&item=230060420609&fromMakeTrack=true

> yeah, uhm... thanks for pointing that out to everyone .... i am  
> sure that wont drive the price up.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 6, 2006, at 1:35 AM, Chubb wrote:
>
>>
>> CS-32 miniDESK on ebay now
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? 
>> ViewItem&item=230060420609&fromMakeTrack=true
>>


also get a look at doepfer pocket fader, it's really portable! But 

Il giorno 06/dic/06, alle ore 01:03, kevin parks ha scritto:

also get a look at doepfer pocket fader, it's really portable! But  
you need knobs?

On 6 Dec 2006, at 02:56, Kim Cascone wrote:

JLCooper also made something called the FM3 FaderBaby (of which I 

have a couple) - a very small, solid, metal sixteen-fader unit. The 

only downside is that it's MIDI I/O and MIDI powered, which means 

David S. mentioned the FaderFox stuff - I see from their web site 

that there's a whole new generation of units. Again, these are MIDI 

(My control surface of choice is the CM Motor-Mix, but that only 

counts as small by the standards of 1980's MIDI rigs...)

nick rothwell -- composition, systems, performance -- 

> http://www.jlcooper.com/pages/cs32.html

JLCooper also made something called the FM3 FaderBaby (of which I  
have a couple) - a very small, solid, metal sixteen-fader unit. The  
only downside is that it's MIDI I/O and MIDI powered, which means  
more linkage to make it work.

David S. mentioned the FaderFox stuff - I see from their web site  
that there's a whole new generation of units. Again, these are MIDI  
rather than USB.

(My control surface of choice is the CM Motor-Mix, but that only  
counts as small by the standards of 1980's MIDI rigs...)

   nick rothwell -- composition, systems, performance -- http:// 
www.cassiel.com


Steven, does this unit have the ability to send sysex messages or 

arbitrary length, in addition to continuous controller messages, like 

At 7:26 PM -0700 12/5/06, Steven Miller wrote:

>I've been using the Evolution UC-33 for a few months now, and I like 

>it quite a bit. I replaced my PC-1600x and an old FaderMaster with 

202 Hack / PC-1600 User / VSTi Host / OMS Convert / Jack OS X

Steven, does this unit have the ability to send sysex messages or 
arbitrary length, in addition to continuous controller messages, like 
the venerable PC-1600x?

At 7:26 PM -0700 12/5/06, Steven Miller wrote:
>I've been using the Evolution UC-33 for a few months now, and I like 
>it quite a bit. I replaced my PC-1600x and an old FaderMaster with 
>it.
>
>http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/UC33e-main.html

-- 
Dan Nigrin
Defective Records
202 Hack / PC-1600 User / VSTi Host / OMS Convert / Jack OS X
http://www.defectiverecords.com
http://www.jackosx.com


It does handle sysex, though not as easily as the PC-1600x - it's a 

little more involved to program. The manuals with all the programming 

info can be downloaded from the following website:

http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=support.manuals

On Dec 6, 2006, at 8:24 AM, Dan Nigrin wrote:

> Steven, does this unit have the ability to send sysex messages or 

> arbitrary length, in addition to continuous controller messages, 

> At 7:26 PM -0700 12/5/06, Steven Miller wrote:

>> I've been using the Evolution UC-33 for a few months now, and I 

>> like it quite a bit. I replaced my PC-1600x and an old FaderMaster 

It does handle sysex, though not as easily as the PC-1600x - it's a  
little more involved to program. The manuals with all the programming  
info can be downloaded from the following website:

> Steven, does this unit have the ability to send sysex messages or  
> arbitrary length, in addition to continuous controller messages,  
> like the venerable PC-1600x?
>
> Dan
>
> At 7:26 PM -0700 12/5/06, Steven Miller wrote:
>> I've been using the Evolution UC-33 for a few months now, and I  
>> like it quite a bit. I replaced my PC-1600x and an old FaderMaster  
>> with it.
>>
>> http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/UC33e-main.html
>

Thanks Steve - now that I read the manual though, it seems only a 

subset of sysex messages (General MIDI ones) are supported (GM 1 & 

At 10:26 AM -0700 12/6/06, Steven Miller wrote:

>It does handle sysex, though not as easily as the PC-1600x - it's a 

>little more involved to program. The manuals with all the 

>programming info can be downloaded from the following website:

>On Dec 6, 2006, at 8:24 AM, Dan Nigrin wrote:

>>Steven, does this unit have the ability to send sysex messages or 

>>arbitrary length, in addition to continuous controller messages, 

>>At 7:26 PM -0700 12/5/06, Steven Miller wrote:

>>>I've been using the Evolution UC-33 for a few months now, and I 

>>>like it quite a bit. I replaced my PC-1600x and an old FaderMaster 

>Associate Professor of Contemporary Music

Thanks Steve - now that I read the manual though, it seems only a 
subset of sysex messages (General MIDI ones) are supported (GM 1 & 
2)....

At 10:26 AM -0700 12/6/06, Steven Miller wrote:
>Hi Dan,
>
>It does handle sysex, though not as easily as the PC-1600x - it's a 
>little more involved to program. The manuals with all the 
>programming info can be downloaded from the following website:
>
>http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=support.manuals
>
>
>Best,
>
>Steven
>
>On Dec 6, 2006, at 8:24 AM, Dan Nigrin wrote:
>
>>Steven, does this unit have the ability to send sysex messages or 
>>arbitrary length, in addition to continuous controller messages, 
>>like the venerable PC-1600x?
>>
>>Dan
>>
>>At 7:26 PM -0700 12/5/06, Steven Miller wrote:
>>>I've been using the Evolution UC-33 for a few months now, and I 
>>>like it quite a bit. I replaced my PC-1600x and an old FaderMaster 
>>>with it.
>>>
>>>http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/UC33e-main.html
>>
>
>----
>Steven M. Miller
>
>Associate Professor of Contemporary Music
>College of Santa Fe
>Contemporary Music Program
>1600 St. Michaels Drive
>Santa Fe NM 87505
>http://pubweb.csf.edu/~smill
>(505) 473-6197
>
>SFIFEM
>Atrium Sound Space
>OVOS
>
>

You could be right, Dan. I haven't yet gotten that far into the unit. 

So far I'm using it pretty much exclusively with/through MaxMSP, 

which (for my purposes, at least) obviates the need to program much 

inside the unit itself beyond MIDI channel assignments and controller 

On Dec 6, 2006, at 1:36 PM, Dan Nigrin wrote:

> Thanks Steve - now that I read the manual though, it seems only a 

> subset of sysex messages (General MIDI ones) are supported (GM 1 & 

You could be right, Dan. I haven't yet gotten that far into the unit.  
So far I'm using it pretty much exclusively with/through MaxMSP,  
which (for my purposes, at least) obviates the need to program much  
inside the unit itself beyond MIDI channel assignments and controller  
numbers.

> Thanks Steve - now that I read the manual though, it seems only a  
> subset of sysex messages (General MIDI ones) are supported (GM 1 &  
> 2)....
>
> Dan
>

If you wanna go the super-cheap route, grab a dual-analog USB video-game 

controller and swap out the analog joysticks for some potentiometers. 

Boolean flags and OpenSoundControl/udpsend