Boycott iLok and PACE?
Dec 4, 2007 at 1:34pm
Boycott iLok and PACE?
Adam Schabtach of Audio Damage is calling for a boycott of iLok/PACE
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I personally hate software that uses Challenge/Response systems, and
Logic recently dropped its dongle protection, making it a much more
I haven’t seen any discussion on this on the list at all, so I figured it
I’d love to see the new max using a not so invasive CP scheme, but I know it
I’m curious what other max users think of the whole thing.
Dec 4, 2007 at 1:39pm
Sorry, here is the full version of the article (not just a blurb from it):
Dec 4, 2007 at 7:07pm
I don’t like dongles. I used to have a string of 4 on my old 8100/100 mac.
No pace/max locked into one machine vs. Pace w/ Max wherever I install Max
I choose the latter.
Dec 4, 2007 at 8:11pm
I honestly don’t see the benefit of the iLok system, unless they workout the
Where are these fully installed, license free computers that everyone moves
You can have it installed on 2 computers via C/R. Schools/studios would,
This isn’t a flame, I’m just curious as to the practical benefit of the
Also, theres the much easier choice of having a regular old serial #
On Dec 4, 2007 7:07 PM, Don K
Dec 4, 2007 at 8:58pm
I’ve found the iLok to be handy on a number of occasions where I
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Dec 4, 2007 at 9:05pm
I have an iLok. Its a love hate relationship, but its handy – if you
Also, you don’t have to keep the dongle plugged in, launch Max with
I predominantly use it to make last minute changes on systems where I
Besides occasionally forgetting it (which is a ROYAL FUCKING PAIN IN
Dec 5, 2007 at 1:42am
I hope posts like those maybe help the cycling74 when choosing copy protection for future version?
I have had bad experiences with Pace in the past. Having it forget my authorizations especially if you install multiple products that utilize it.
Dec 5, 2007 at 8:04am
Quote: rodrigo.constanzo wrote on Tue, 04 December 2007 05:34
I absolutely despise anti-piracy. And I refuse to use dongles. If Max didn’t have PACE I would not be using it.
I’m a software developer, and I’ve been forced to drop cool features many times because higher ups demanded we improve anti-piracy measures over perceived loss of revenue due to theft of our software. And you know what? People are still stealing our software. It’s just like the arms race with DRM and DVD encryption. Really smart people spend YEARS designing the next “uncrackable” system, and it just gets cracked in a few days. Every time! What a horrible waste of money and effort.
I might have enough know-how to crack Max if I wanted to. But you know what? I really like the software and I want to pay money to Cycling ’74 to support the continued development of Max/MSP. The world will always be filled with people like me who get value out of digital goods and pay money for them, and the world will always be filled with people who steal digital goods no matter how many protective measures are put in place. Ultimately, anti-piracy measures end up getting in the way of the people who are paying for the software and making their life more of a hassle, which is truly a shame.
Plus there’s the fact that there were problems with PACE after one of the OS X upgrades, and Cycling engineers had to take time away from working on cool features to fix that. Again, I think this is a waste.
So I would like Max better if they dropped iLok/PACE in favor of a simpler anti-piracy measure (“keep the honest people honest”), and spent the saved resources on feature development. Just my two cents, having been on both sides of this fight.
Dec 5, 2007 at 10:41am
In the article, “Max 5, what it is and isn’t” under “what we’ve changed, it says:
5. The installation and authorization experience is vastly improved.
Seems like the cycling have been hanging with the abletons, it would be great if they switch max 5 over to the same challenge response as Ableton.
Dec 5, 2007 at 10:48am
I see lot of people who don’t like iLok – I understund yours
For us the iLok is real the best solution for musical software and we
We have lot of computers mac and PC and we buy regulary a new
When I develop the software Max/MSP – and i have test it – what other
We buy a new computers – have we buy every time a new licence for
When we buy a software we would like to put it where we need and
You can’t immagine the number of problems we had before iLok with
new version of Logic has not a dongle….. for us is totaly crazy,
The iLock is real the best solution for us and i hope only that
Dec 5, 2007 at 11:31am
I remember reading that, but didn’t consider it much, as it doesn’t say who
Presumably the end user, but any challenge response system still a pita for
Hopefully it will be a simple serial authorization.
My gripe with this is more a philosophical one than a practical one. I feel
With the iLok thing. I know it’s been mentioned that you can boot up with
It seems to me that if you have more than 2 computers your using max on, you
For testing patches/setups, theres the run-time version, and you can get
On Dec 5, 2007 10:41 AM, mHatsys
Dec 5, 2007 at 11:53am
Hi everyone !
I’ve almost finished a big patch completely based on joystick
error: hi : No such object
But the object is still there in its folder….
thanks in advance
Dec 5, 2007 at 12:33pm
Thanks Adam. Your comments come very close to my feelings about this. Copy
When Max was with Opcode in the early 90′s I was on tour. Suddenly Max
Dec 5, 2007 at 12:37pm
I’m also against anti-piracy/DRM, and find it completely pointless. As one developer in the thread mentioned already it is a complete waste of time, if the product you are developing is good enough someone will take the time to find a way around it.
I’m so sick of these silly restrictions on what I can and can’t do with items that I have purchased that I have begun moving over to just using open source apps as much as I can. I have no problem paying for decent software, but restricting what I can and can’t do with regards personal use of it is bullshit.
DRM is already as good as dead in music, software will probably (hopefully) follow suit soon enough.
Dec 5, 2007 at 12:52pm
Quote: MikEyhaTsis wrote on Wed, 05 December 2007 03:41
That doesn’t specifically say that they have dropped PACE. But we can certainly hope so. :)
Dec 5, 2007 at 2:12pm
Quote: rodrigo.constanzo wrote on Wed, 05 December 2007 06:31
This happened with Opcode’s StudioVision Pro after it was bought by Gibsuck. For a long time people were unable to get responses at all. Eventually (a very long eventually) they released a version with CP removed, but there was some real pain along the way. RIP StudioVision Pro.
Dec 5, 2007 at 4:51pm
Dec 8, 2007 at 8:17am
DO you have a hi.js, or something like that in your search path?
Dec 8, 2007 at 12:43pm
thanks a lot, you saved me. I had no idea…
On Dec 8, 2007, at 9:17 AM, Stefan Tiedje wrote:
> bluermutt schrieb:
Feb 14, 2011 at 5:16am
It’s a hassle, doesn’t prevent software piracy, just an annoyance for loyal paying customers, and most of all Pace’s customer service is truly UN-friendly from what I have experienced myself and heard from others as well. Oh did I mention- $40 in addition to software purchase (even as a one time investment) is unfair especially when the software companies opt for this type of protection, why does the cost have to be picked up by the customer ? Just my opinion
Feb 14, 2011 at 1:18pm
beeing with adam (m., not s.) mostly i feel one should not forget
it is close to hilarious when developers who have chosen not to
it sounds a bit like “buy our product instead, because we are smarter”.
nothing more but one of many different marketing blah blahs.
green capitalism is is still capitalism, if you know what i mean.
unfortunatley the group of users who are fighting for total legalisation
there are still too many people who simply refuse to pay for software
so i tend to see it as a kind of unavoidable compromise that many
a compromise is better than no solution at all.
Feb 18, 2011 at 2:47pm
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