Kristian Nymoen

I'm trying to build a VST instrument in Max, but I can't figure out how to 

make the host (Cubase) recognize the plugin as an instument/synth rather 

Do I have to specify that the plugin is an instrument in the 

plugconfig-window? I've read the reference manuals and searched the 

mail-archive, but haven't found any answer to this...

I'm trying to build a VST instrument in Max, but I can't figure out how to 
make the host (Cubase) recognize the plugin as an instument/synth rather 
than an ordinary effect.

Do I have to specify that the plugin is an instrument in the 
plugconfig-window? I've read the reference manuals and searched the 
mail-archive, but haven't found any answer to this...

building-vst-instruments

From the Pluggo Documentation/Tutorial P8:

In order for this plug-in to receive MIDI input in many host 

applications, it needs to advertise itself as a synthesizer. To do 

this, you use the synth keyword in your plugconfig script. Open the 

script by double-clicking on the plugconfig object to see this.

In order for this plug-in to receive MIDI input in many host  
applications, it needs to advertise itself as a synthesizer. To do  
this, you use the synth keyword in your plugconfig script. Open the  
script by double-clicking on the plugconfig object to see this.

have you tried to put this line in your plugconfig

22/02/06, kl. 16:50 +0100 , skrev Bernhard Loibner:

> From the Pluggo Documentation/Tutorial P8:

Dammit! - I search and search and search and search, but no matter how, I

just can't find this "Pluggo Documentation/Tutorial P8" anywhere. Please help!

Dammit! - I search and search and search and search, but no matter how, I
just can't find this "Pluggo Documentation/Tutorial P8" anywhere. Please help!

I searched the web for the lines quoted from the pluggo tutorial and found 

http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/ems/pdf/PluggoDevGuide.pdf

I searched the web for the lines quoted from the pluggo tutorial and found 
the doucument here:
http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/ems/pdf/PluggoDevGuide.pdf

That development guide refers to the PlugMaker app. which I've read is no longer used.

Also, do we need to own Pluggo to make plug-ins? I thought all we need is Max/MSP?

Furthermore, I can't seem to find ANY (up-to-date) information whatsoever in the Max/MSP documentation or in the intardwebs explaining what the Build Collective/Application/Plug-In function is or how to use it

That development guide refers to the PlugMaker app. which I've read is no longer used.  

You don't need Pluggo to make the plug-ins, but you'll need Pluggo runtime 

The Max45TutorialsAndTopics-document has a section about collectives:

"Collectives: Grouping Files into a Single Project" (p 387)

It explains the basics of the "Build Collective/Application/Plug-in" 

Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Building VST instruments

That development guide refers to the PlugMaker app. which I've read is no 

Also, do we need to own Pluggo to make plug-ins? I thought all we need is 

Furthermore, I can't seem to find ANY (up-to-date) information whatsoever in 

the Max/MSP documentation or in the intardwebs explaining what the Build 

Collective/Application/Plug-In function is or how to use it

You don't need Pluggo to make the plug-ins, but you'll need Pluggo runtime 
to run them.

The Max45TutorialsAndTopics-document has a section about collectives:
"Collectives: Grouping Files into a Single Project" (p 387)
It explains the basics of the "Build Collective/Application/Plug-in" 
function

----Original Message Follows----
From: matt 
Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Building VST instruments
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 15:49:21 -0700

That development guide refers to the PlugMaker app. which I've read is no 
longer used.

Also, do we need to own Pluggo to make plug-ins? I thought all we need is 
Max/MSP?

Furthermore, I can't seem to find ANY (up-to-date) information whatsoever in 
the Max/MSP documentation or in the intardwebs explaining what the Build 
Collective/Application/Plug-In function is or how to use it

You can also make an audio plug-in (VST, RTAS, and AU) with Max/MSP. For details and examples of building plug-ins with Max/MSP see the Pluggo Developer Materials that are installed with Pluggo, which can be downloaded from www.cycling74.com.

so, it seems i'm going in circles. i can't find the abovementioned documents and i'm not trying to build a collective or standalone.

got it! very easy... what about creating an interface, though, with egg sliders, etc.?

got it!  very easy... what about creating an interface, though, with egg sliders, etc.?


anyone? it seems like this feature of max/msp is sorely underdocumented...

anyone?  it seems like this feature of max/msp is sorely underdocumented...


As far as I know you can only make VST plugins with Pluggo. Pluggo is

an add on to Max that you buy separately.

As far as I know you can only make VST plugins with Pluggo. Pluggo is
an add on to Max that you buy separately.


Well, I was able to create a plug-in .dll by using the information from p. 387 and some information I gleaned from an older document on plug-in creation that's hard to find unless you have a direct link to it. The plug-in works but I have no idea how to create a Pluggo-style interface. perhaps that part is restricted to Pluggo owners. Although, I don't see why you'd have to buy the 5 million Pluggo plug-ins if all you wanted to do was create your own.

> anyone? it seems like this feature of max/msp is sorely 

See the pluggo development documentation (where this info resides). 

You don't need to buy pluggo to build pluggo plugins of your own.

>
> anyone?  it seems like this feature of max/msp is sorely  
> underdocumented...

See the pluggo development documentation (where this info resides).  
You don't need to buy pluggo to build pluggo plugins of your own.

Quote: cebec wrote on Fri, 10 March 2006 09:25

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> anyone? it seems like this feature of max/msp is sorely underdocumented...

there is no helpfile for plugconfig - but it is

(actually somebody of us should make a helpfile one day)

Quote: cebec wrote on Fri, 10 March 2006 09:25
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> anyone?  it seems like this feature of max/msp is sorely underdocumented...
----------------------------------------------------

there is no helpfile for plugconfig - but it is
documented in the max reference book.

(actually somebody of us should make a helpfile one day)


but i couldn't find the pluggo development documentation... or what i did find mentioned the plug-in maker, etc. is it included with the runtime? i swear i checked everywhere.

but i couldn't find the pluggo development documentation... or what i did find mentioned the plug-in maker, etc.  is it included with the runtime? i swear i checked everywhere.
thanks!


ah, right, thanks for reminding me...the plugconfig page of the ref. manual was another source of info.

Now I am confused. I thought you could not build VST plugins in 

Max with out Pluggo. As far as I know Max does not come 

with things like plugin~, plugout~, etc... Are you saying I can 

create a VST plugin with out pluggo installed? Can some one

Now I am confused. I thought you could not build VST plugins in 
Max with out Pluggo. As far as I know Max does not come 
with things like plugin~, plugout~, etc... Are you saying I can 
create a VST plugin with out pluggo installed? Can some one
please tell me how to do this.

Quote: Anthony Palomba wrote on Fri, 10 March 2006 10:21

> Now I am confused. I thought you could not build VST plugins in 

> Max with out Pluggo. As far as I know Max does not come 

> with things like plugin~, plugout~, etc...

there are two distributions of MAXMSP and the 

Quote: Anthony Palomba wrote on Fri, 10 March 2006 10:21
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> Now I am confused. I thought you could not build VST plugins in 
> Max with out Pluggo. As far as I know Max does not come 
> with things like plugin~, plugout~, etc... 

there are two distributions of MAXMSP and the 
anthony version comes with less objects.

You can build plug-ins all day long in MaxMSP without installing Pluggo. 

However, in order to use those plugins, you will need to install at 

least the Pluggo Runtime. The Development Materials folder inside of 

Pluggo Applications includes tutorials and a manual that covers all of 

You can build plug-ins all day long in MaxMSP without installing Pluggo. 
  However, in order to use those plugins, you will need to install at 
least the Pluggo Runtime.  The Development Materials folder inside of 
Pluggo Applications includes tutorials and a manual that covers all of 
these topics in detail.

ok. wow. so i have to download a 32 mb files just to get the documentation. can that be made available separately? also, p. 387 refers to it as being available on this site, but it doesn't say where (or that you have to download Pluggo) to get it.

ok. wow. so i have to download a 32 mb files just to get the documentation.  can that be made available separately? also, p. 387 refers to it as being available on this site, but it doesn't say where (or that you have to download Pluggo) to get it.

For the time being, you'll need to go ahead and download Pluggo to get 

> ok. wow. so i have to download a 32 mb files just to get the documentation. can that be made available separately? also, p. 387 refers to it as being available on this site, but it doesn't say where (or that you have to download Pluggo) to get it.

Hi Matt,
For the time being, you'll need to go ahead and download Pluggo to get 
the developer documentation.

matt wrote:
> ok. wow. so i have to download a 32 mb files just to get the documentation.  can that be made available separately? also, p. 387 refers to it as being available on this site, but it doesn't say where (or that you have to download Pluggo) to get it.
>
> thanks!


ok, thanks. at least i know where to get it, now.

> ok. wow. so i have to download a 32 mb files just to get the > documentation. can that be made available separately? also, p. > 387 refers to it as being available on this site, but it > doesn't say where (or that you have to download Pluggo) to get it.

phuk .. i mean ... how do you wanna .. when you 

> ok. wow. so i have to download a 32 mb files just to get the > documentation.  can that be made available separately? also, p. > 387 refers to it as being available on this site, but it > doesn't say where (or that you have to download Pluggo) to get it.

phuk .. i mean ... how do you wanna .. when you 
are not even ... to find  ... jesus ...

Is anyone else having this problem? My Max/MSP has no such object as 

I am on WinXP SP2 -- I first noticed this problem with 4.5.6, but it has 

Is anyone else having this problem?  My Max/MSP has no such object as 
"out", but "Out" works wonderfully.

I am on WinXP SP2 -- I first noticed this problem with 4.5.6, but it has 
carried over into 4.5.7.

'out' or 'Out' both seem to work here with last Max update and OS X.