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					<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>bobwen@pipeline.com</dc:creator>

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						<p>Hi all,</p>
<p>New here, so pardon if this is posted incorrectly, but my problem is this:<br />
I need to record a mix of external audio, fed into my Mac via the line-in ports, and internal audio generated by a MOTU Symphonic Instruments sampler sitting on my HD.<br />
Now, I&#8217;ve created an aggregate device, but can&#8217;t seem to program it correctly with soundflower to get all the audio to Audio HiJack Pro to record the mix! I can route all audio internal to the computer [Safari, iTunes, MOTU-SI, etc] through Soundflower and into HiJack, but for the life of me, I can&#8217;t seem to route Line-In audio at all! I can get it to where it shows it is inputing to either Sound->Line-In or Aggregate device [input shows on level display] but that&#8217;s as far as I can get it, and no further. It will not play through my speakers, nor route to HiJack to record.<br />
The only way I can get line-in audio to record and play through my speakers is to use only Mac&#8217;s Sound: Line In and Line Out&#8230; but then I lose all internal audio such as MOTU-SI.<br />
Can someone tell me how I can get all audio to HiJack and also monitor on my speakers?</p>
<p>Mac G5 dual 2.3 w 2 G RAM, OS 10.4.11</p>
<p>5 Rack mount synths, premixed, and feeding to Mac line inputs.<br />
MOTU Symphonic Instruments on HD.<br />
Have Soundflower 1.3.1, LineIn 2.0.3, Audio Hijack Pro 2.8.1</p>
<p>I swear under OS 10.1, all this mixing used to happen automatically: If it came out of the speakers, it was also recorded. Somewhere along the way Apple messed this all up.</p>
<p>Can someone help me please?</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
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					<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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						<p>I&#8217;m finding it amazing that no one here has this problem (or need!) nor has a solution for it!!!</p>
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					<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Chris Muir</dc:creator>

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On Jul 15, 2008, at 2:50 PM, Bobwen wrote:</p>
<p>> I&#8217;m finding it amazing that no one here has this problem (or need!)  <br />
> nor has a solution for it!!!</p>
<p>
It doesn&#8217;t seem to have much, if anything to do with Max/MSP. Have you  <br />
asked on a MOTU forum?</p>
<p>-C</p>
<p>Chris Muir<br />
<a href="mailto:cbm@well.com">cbm@well.com</a>	</p>
<p><a href="http://www.xfade.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.xfade.com</a></p>
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					<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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						<p>Yes, I have, and get no solution. It&#8217;s beyond just MOTU, since I can get that into HiJack with no problem. It&#8217;s getting the Mac&#8217;s line-in audio to mix with it into HiJack which, for some reason, I can&#8217;t get to work.<br />
That is why I am asking on any/every audio forum I can find, since no one seems to have this problem, or a solution to it!</p>
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					<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 01:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Dan Nigrin</dc:creator>

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						<p>Try using Jack OS X with your Aggregate Device?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.jackosx.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.jackosx.com</a></p>
<p>Dan</p>
<p>At 3:50 PM -0600 7/15/08, Bobwen wrote:<br />
>I&#8217;m finding it amazing that no one here has this problem (or need!) <br />
>nor has a solution for it!!!</p>
<p>
&#8211; <br />
Dan Nigrin<br />
Defective Records<br />
202 Hack / PC-1600 User / VSTi Host / OMS Convert / Jack OS X / Major <br />
Malfunction<br />
<a href="http://www.defectiverecords.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.defectiverecords.com</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.jackosx.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.jackosx.com</a></p>
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						<p>I have installed Jack OSX and still can&#8217;t get it to work. I&#8217;ve read the instructions and can&#8217;t make heads nor tails of anything since there&#8217;s so much information there, yet none seems to address my problem. I can get audio-in into HiJack Pro, but not Symphonic instruments [on the computer] to bus to HiJack at the same time.</p>
<p>Are there somewhere simple &#8220;connect-the-dots&#8221; instructions for someone who&#8217;s just trying to compose music and fully heard what it sounds like?</p>
<p>Thank you in advance for any help.</p>
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						<p>I would not use Audio HiJack Pro together with Jack OS X &#8211; it just <br />
complicates the situation.  I would recommend using some other method <br />
to record the audio, via Jack OS X.</p>
<p>I would then also start with a very simple setup within Jack OS X &#8211; <br />
for example, route the audio from Symponic Instruments, via Jack OS <br />
X, to your audio recording app.</p>
<p>If that works, then similarly you can try to record the audio input <br />
via Jack OS X to your audio recording app.</p>
<p>Then if that works, try and do both at the same time.  If you need <br />
more help, I&#8217;d suggest you post your query on the Jack OS X Yahoo <br />
support group.</p>
<p>Best,<br />
Dan</p>
<p>At 1:10 PM -0600 7/16/08, Bobwen wrote:<br />
>I have installed Jack OSX and still can&#8217;t get it to work. I&#8217;ve read <br />
>the instructions and can&#8217;t make heads nor tails of anything since <br />
>there&#8217;s so much information there, yet none seems to address my <br />
>problem. I can get audio-in into HiJack Pro, but not Symphonic <br />
>instruments [on the computer] to bus to HiJack at the same time.<br />
><br />
>Are there somewhere simple &#8220;connect-the-dots&#8221; instructions for <br />
>someone who&#8217;s just trying to compose music and fully heard what it <br />
>sounds like?<br />
><br />
>Thank you in advance for any help.</p>
<p>
&#8211; <br />
Dan Nigrin<br />
Defective Records<br />
202 Hack / PC-1600 User / VSTi Host / OMS Convert / Jack OS X / Major <br />
Malfunction<br />
<a href="http://www.defectiverecords.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.defectiverecords.com</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.jackosx.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.jackosx.com</a></p>
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					<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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						<p>as mentioned above, if you are using osx you can create an aggregate<br />
device in the audio utility that comes with OSX and then you can<br />
access all your many soundcard&#8217;s ins and outs in max.</p>
<p>cheers,</p>
<p>Carey</p>
<p>On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 8:28 PM, Dan Nigrin <dan @defectiverecords.com> wrote:<br />
> I would not use Audio HiJack Pro together with Jack OS X &#8211; it just<br />
> complicates the situation.  I would recommend using some other method to<br />
> record the audio, via Jack OS X.<br />
><br />
> I would then also start with a very simple setup within Jack OS X &#8211; for<br />
> example, route the audio from Symponic Instruments, via Jack OS X, to your<br />
> audio recording app.<br />
><br />
> If that works, then similarly you can try to record the audio input via Jack<br />
> OS X to your audio recording app.<br />
><br />
> Then if that works, try and do both at the same time.  If you need more<br />
> help, I&#8217;d suggest you post your query on the Jack OS X Yahoo support group.<br />
><br />
> Best,<br />
> Dan<br />
><br />
> At 1:10 PM -0600 7/16/08, Bobwen wrote:<br />
>><br />
>> I have installed Jack OSX and still can&#8217;t get it to work. I&#8217;ve read the<br />
>> instructions and can&#8217;t make heads nor tails of anything since there&#8217;s so<br />
>> much information there, yet none seems to address my problem. I can get<br />
>> audio-in into HiJack Pro, but not Symphonic instruments [on the computer] to<br />
>> bus to HiJack at the same time.<br />
>><br />
>> Are there somewhere simple &#8220;connect-the-dots&#8221; instructions for someone<br />
>> who&#8217;s just trying to compose music and fully heard what it sounds like?<br />
>><br />
>> Thank you in advance for any help.<br />
><br />
><br />
> &#8211;<br />
> Dan Nigrin<br />
> Defective Records<br />
> 202 Hack / PC-1600 User / VSTi Host / OMS Convert / Jack OS X / Major<br />
> Malfunction<br />
> <a href="http://www.defectiverecords.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.defectiverecords.com</a><br />
> <a href="http://www.jackosx.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.jackosx.com</a><br />
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						<p>JACK is not an intuitive program but it is simple.  it is based on the<br />
order that you do things&#8230; load soundcard(s), then simply click from<br />
left to right to link whatever channel to whatever channel</p>
<p>hope this helps,</p>
<p>Carey</p>
<p>On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 8:10 PM, Bobwen <bobwen @pipeline.com> wrote:<br />
></bobwen></p>
<p>> Are there somewhere simple &#8220;connect-the-dots&#8221; instructions for (JACK) for someone who&#8217;s just trying to compose music and fully heard what it sounds like?<br />
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						<p>My problem seems to be that MOTU &#8220;Symphonic Instruments&#8221; does not present itself as an &#8220;option&#8221; on the Jack output pulldowns. Digital Performer does, but not SI. I have an inquiry into MUTO about this, but have yet to get an answer.</p>
<p>Stupid question: When you all refer to &#8220;soundcards&#8221; I get lost. I have only what came installed in my Mac and nothing else. Do you actually mean AU or other midi interfaces?</p>
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						<p>are you using symphonic instruments as a plug in or stand alone?</p>
<p>if you are using it as a plug in it will be running through whatever<br />
host software you are using and then only the host software will show<br />
on JACK.</p>
<p>sometimes people have many physical soundcards&#8230; that was what i was<br />
refering to</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Carey</p>
<p>On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Bobwen <bobwen @pipeline.com> wrote:<br />
><br />
> My problem seems to be that MOTU &#8220;Symphonic Instruments&#8221; does not present itself as an &#8220;option&#8221; on the Jack output pulldowns. Digital Performer does, but not SI. I have an inquiry into MUTO about this, but have yet to get an answer.<br />
><br />
> Stupid question: When you all refer to &#8220;soundcards&#8221; I get lost. I have only what came installed in my Mac and nothing else. Do you actually mean AU or other midi interfaces?<br />
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						<p>This thread is way off topic now, but I will make one last post here <br />
and encourage Bobwen to ask any followup questions on the Jack OS X <br />
Yahoo forum as I have mentioned before.</p>
<p>Jack allows you to specify ONE audio &#8220;interface&#8221; at a time.  This is <br />
the audio &#8220;soundcard&#8221; if you will.  In many instances it is your <br />
internal Mac built in audio, sometimes it can be a device (e.g. MOTU <br />
Traveler audio interface), and now with the Mac&#8217;s software aggregate <br />
devices, it can be a *combination* of several &#8220;soundcards&#8221; wrapped up <br />
to appear as a single device (e.g. internal Mac built in audio AND <br />
MOTU Traveler).</p>
<p>This audio interface is specified in the Jack OS X preferences.  You <br />
then start the Jack server, and you will see, in the Connections <br />
Manager window, the &#8220;system&#8221; device listed:  this represents your <br />
audio interface.</p>
<p> From that point on, you can specify in your various audio <br />
*applications* (e.g. MOTU Symphonic Instruments) to use the Jack <br />
server as its audio interface &#8211; it should appear as &#8220;JackRouter&#8221; or <br />
similar in your audio prefs setup in each application.  An exception <br />
to this is for applications that use the Mac &#8220;default&#8221; audio device <br />
(like iTunes for instance).  In this case, you have to change the <br />
default Mac device to use the JackRouter; this is done in either <br />
AudioMIDI Setup, or in the Sound control panel.</p>
<p>Having done this for your applications you want to use with Jack, you <br />
should now see your applications and your &#8220;system&#8221; audio interface in <br />
the Connections Window.  Now you connect the those up as you desire <br />
(in your case, you want to connect MOTO SI in the Send Ports column <br />
to your audio recording application in the Receive ports column, as <br />
well as &#8220;system&#8221; in the Send Ports column to your audio recording <br />
application in the Receive ports column.  I leave the details as to <br />
how to make connections up to you (it&#8217;s in the Jack OS X <br />
documentation.</p>
<p>Hope that helps,<br />
Dan</p>
<p>At 9:09 AM -0600 7/18/08, Bobwen wrote:<br />
>Using Symphonic instruments as a stand-alone [version 1.1.3] because <br />
>I need to hop back and forth between using it with Finale and DP.</p>
<p>&#8211; <br />
Dan Nigrin<br />
Defective Records<br />
202 Hack / PC-1600 User / VSTi Host / OMS Convert / Jack OS X / Major <br />
Malfunction<br />
<a href="http://www.defectiverecords.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.defectiverecords.com</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.jackosx.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.jackosx.com</a></p>
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