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Hey everyone, I've been working on an ambitious (for me) grain patch and

everything is working fine and going smoothly except for some serious

clicking issues I'm getting. The clicking is most noticeable if the aiff

file that is being "grained" is melodic and less percussive and the grains

are longer. I've been checking to make sure that the poly~ isn't

exceeding its allotted number of instances. I use a few of the "gen" series

of externals which is in the percolate library, which you can get here:

there are two subpatches and the naming of them is explained below.

name this "bensenvelopething" without the quotes

Hey everyone, I've been working on an ambitious (for me) grain patch and
everything is working fine and going smoothly except for some serious
clicking issues I'm getting.  The clicking is most noticeable if the aiff
file that is being "grained" is melodic and less percussive and the grains
are longer.   I've  been checking to make sure that  the poly~ isn't
exceeding its allotted number of instances.  I use a few of the "gen" series
of externals which is in the percolate library, which you can get here:
http://www.music.columbia.edu/PeRColate/

clicking-in-grain-patch

I'm on a macbook dual core OSX 10.4.9. using max 4.6.3... any takers?

> Hey everyone, I've been working on an ambitious (for me) grain patch and

> everything is working fine and going smoothly except for some serious

> clicking issues I'm getting. The clicking is most noticeable if the aiff

> file that is being "grained" is melodic and less percussive and the grains

> are longer. I've been checking to make sure that the poly~ isn't

> exceeding its allotted number of instances. I use a few of the "gen" series

> of externals which is in the percolate library, which you can get here:

> there are two subpatches and the naming of them is explained below.

> Any help or ideas would be appreciated!

> #P message 331 118 118 196617 grain tempo range (ms.);

> #P user gain~ 135 604 13 22 158 0 1.071519 7.94321 10.;

> #P user gain~ 110 604 13 22 158 0 1.071519 7.94321 10.;

> #P number 508 186 35 9 0 0 32 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0;

> #P user rslider 330 135 187 47 1001 1 0 0 0;

> #P flonum 145 304 35 9 0. 1. 35 3 0 0 0 1 213 24 222 222 222 0 0 0;

> #P hidden newex 270 351 91 196617 bensenvelopething;

On 7/22/07, Nic Zwart  wrote:
>
> Hey everyone, I've been working on an ambitious (for me) grain patch and
> everything is working fine and going smoothly except for some serious
> clicking issues I'm getting.  The clicking is most noticeable if the aiff
> file that is being "grained" is melodic and less percussive and the grains
> are longer.   I've  been checking to make sure that  the poly~ isn't
> exceeding its allotted number of instances.  I use a few of the "gen" series
> of externals which is in the percolate library, which you can get here:
> http://www.music.columbia.edu/PeRColate/
>
> there are two subpatches and the naming of them is explained below.
>
> Any help or ideas would be appreciated!
>
> thanks
> Nic
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
> subpatches:
>
>
>
>
> name this "bensenvelopething" without the quotes
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> name this "monograin" without the quotes
>
>
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> #N out~ 2;
> #P newobj 195 493 39 196617 out~ 2;
> #P message 797 562 51 196617 for index;
> #P newex 214 302 30 196617 line~;
> #P message 214 229 44 196617 0 , 1 $3;
> #P window setfont Arial 9.;
> #P newex 268 184 75 131137545 prepend set;
> #P window setfont "Sans Serif" 9.;
> #P newex 557 169 45 196617 loadbang;
> #P newex 145 200 77 196617 pack 0. 0. 0.;
> #P newex 145 471 27 196617 *~;
> #N in 1;
> #P newobj 145 45 25 196617 in 1;
> #P message 557 376 62 196617 mute 1 , 0;
> #P message 710 392 63 196617 mute 0 , 1;
> #P newex 557 424 63 196617 thispoly~;
> #P button 710 190 15 0;
> #P message 331 99 183 196617 line 1 2 3 , buffer (currently unused;
> #P newex 145 88 111 196617 unpack 0. 0. 0. symbol;
> #N out~ 1;
> #P newobj 145 493 35 196617 out~ 1;
> #P newex 710 115 23 196617 t b;
> #P newex 145 256 32 196617 line~;
> #P message 145 229 56 196617 $1 , $2 $3;
> #P newex 145 342 60 196617 play~ $1 2;
> #N out 1;
> #P newobj 797 539 33 196617 out 1;
> #P newex 351 342 58 196617 r monotrig;
> #P newex 214 442 101 196617 rampsmooth~ 10 10;
> #P connect 14 0 8 0;
> #P connect 8 0 16 0;
> #P connect 16 0 4 0;
> #P connect 4 0 5 0;
> #P fasten 18 0 3 0 273 280 150 280;
> #P connect 5 0 3 0;
> #P connect 3 0 15 0;
> #P connect 15 0 7 0;
> #P fasten 1 0 24 0 356 432 164 432;
> #P connect 0 0 15 1;
> #P connect 8 1 16 1;
> #P connect 3 0 24 1;
> #P connect 24 0 23 0;
> #P connect 3 1 23 0;
> #P connect 23 0 22 0;
> #P connect 8 2 16 2;
> #P connect 0 0 23 1;
> #P connect 16 0 19 0;
> #P connect 19 0 20 0;
> #P connect 20 0 25 0;
> #P connect 25 0 0 0;
> #P fasten 5 1 13 0 172 333 562 333;
> #P connect 17 0 13 0;
> #P connect 13 0 11 0;
> #P fasten 12 0 11 0 715 416 562 416;
> #P fasten 14 0 6 0 150 71 715 71;
> #P connect 6 0 10 0;
> #P fasten 10 0 12 0 715 223 715 223;
> #P pop;
>
>
>
>

> I've been checking to make sure that the poly~ isn't exceeding its

> allotted number of instances. I use a few of the "gen" series of

> externalsnd the naming of them is explained below.

It seems your buffer for the envelope is a bit too small, just by 

looking at the envelopes, I'd expect clicks...

The rampsmooth~ after the [wave~ env] doesn't make sense, the envelope 

should make the envelope, it won't set a non zero output to zero...

Nic Zwart schrieb:
> I've  been checking to make sure that the poly~ isn't exceeding its
> allotted number of instances. I use a few of the "gen" series of
> externalsnd the naming of them is explained below.
>
> Any help or ideas would be appreciated!

It seems your buffer for the envelope is a bit too small, just by 
looking at the envelopes, I'd expect clicks...
The rampsmooth~ after the [wave~ env] doesn't make sense, the envelope 
should make the envelope, it won't set a non zero output to zero...

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As Stefan Points out clicking in a granular patch is very often related to the method used to apply envelopes to the grains. I would recommend to you at 'Granular 2' by Noboyasu Sakonda for some inspiration in that area.

As Stefan Points out clicking in a granular patch is very often related to the method used to apply envelopes to the grains. I would recommend to you at 'Granular 2' by Noboyasu Sakonda for some  inspiration in that area.

Thanks for the advice and the link to that very interesting patch. I

actually discovered before I read this email that the clicking is almost

definitely coming from the record buffer~ itself and not from the buffer

It seems that when clicks happen , it is because a grain is playing over the

point at which the buffer is being recorded into via record~ (record~ is in

loop recording mode). I resized the buffer to be really, really long, and

since the grain patch isn't programed to trigger past 1000 ms. the grain

never goes over the "recording head" and I never get any clicks. However, I

would like to use this patch as a live input processor, and so it would be

much more convenient to have a smaller buffer~. I guess now it is a design

question rather than a technical one: How can I design the patch in such a

way that it allows live input into a constantly recording buffer without

> As Stefan Points out clicking in a granular patch is very often related to

> the method used to apply envelopes to the grains. I would recommend to you

> at 'Granular 2' by Noboyasu Sakonda for some inspiration in that area.

Thanks for the advice and the link to that very interesting patch.  I
actually discovered before I read this email that the clicking is almost
definitely coming from the record buffer~ itself and not from the buffer
used for the envelope.

It seems that when clicks happen , it is because a grain is playing over the
point at which the buffer is being recorded into via record~ (record~ is in
loop recording mode).  I resized the buffer to be really, really long, and
since the grain patch isn't programed to trigger past 1000 ms. the grain
never goes over the "recording head" and I never get any clicks.  However, I
would like to use this patch as a live input processor, and so it would be
much more convenient to have a smaller buffer~.  I guess now it is a design
question rather than a technical one:  How can I design the patch in such a
way that it allows live input into a constantly recording buffer without
throwing a grain over the record point?

On 7/25/07, Leafcutter John  wrote:
>
>
> As Stefan Points out clicking in a granular patch is very often related to
> the method used to apply envelopes to the grains. I would recommend to you
> at 'Granular 2' by Noboyasu Sakonda for some  inspiration in that area.
>
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On 25 Jul 2007, at 21:49, Nic Zwart wrote:

> much more convenient to have a smaller buffer~. I guess now it is 

> a design question rather than a technical one: How can I design 

> the patch in such a way that it allows live input into a constantly 

> recording buffer without throwing a grain over the record point?

I though first that recording sequentially into two buffers and 

granulating the one that you're not recording into might do it, but 

that means that you can't play the audio in any particular buffer 

until it's finished recording, and you might not want that.

How about keeping track of the record head position, and preventing 

the play head from going there - have it jump over that position. 

(Using some scheme with < and > to increment the play head past the 

record head). You might have to do something to smooth the jump (a 

longer crossfade using a bit of audio in a tap delay line taking its 

On 25 Jul 2007, at 21:49, Nic Zwart wrote:
> much more convenient to have a smaller buffer~.  I guess now it is  
> a design question rather than a technical one:  How can I design  
> the patch in such a way that it allows live input into a constantly  
> recording buffer without throwing a grain over the record point?
>
Thinking out loud ..
I though first that recording sequentially into two buffers and  
granulating the one that you're not recording into might do it, but  
that means that you can't play the audio in any particular buffer  
until it's finished recording, and you might not want that.
How about keeping track of the record head position, and preventing  
the play head from going there - have it jump over that position.  
(Using some scheme with < and > to increment the play head past the  
record head). You might have to do something to smooth the jump (a  
longer crossfade using a bit of audio in a tap delay line taking its  
input from just before the record head?)

Yeah, it's kind of a conundrum. I'll try that play head ignoring thing

> On 25 Jul 2007, at 21:49, Nic Zwart wrote:

> > much more convenient to have a smaller buffer~. I guess now it is

> > a design question rather than a technical one: How can I design

> > the patch in such a way that it allows live input into a constantly

> > recording buffer without throwing a grain over the record point?

> I though first that recording sequentially into two buffers and

> granulating the one that you're not recording into might do it, but

> that means that you can't play the audio in any particular buffer

> until it's finished recording, and you might not want that.

> How about keeping track of the record head position, and preventing

> the play head from going there - have it jump over that position.

> (Using some scheme with < and > to increment the play head past the

> record head). You might have to do something to smooth the jump (a

> longer crossfade using a bit of audio in a tap delay line taking its

> input from just before the record head?)

Yeah, it's kind of a conundrum. I'll try that play head ignoring thing
though, thanks!

On 7/25/07, David Stevens  wrote:
>
>
> On 25 Jul 2007, at 21:49, Nic Zwart wrote:
> > much more convenient to have a smaller buffer~.  I guess now it is
> > a design question rather than a technical one:  How can I design
> > the patch in such a way that it allows live input into a constantly
> > recording buffer without throwing a grain over the record point?
> >
> Thinking out loud ..
> I though first that recording sequentially into two buffers and
> granulating the one that you're not recording into might do it, but
> that means that you can't play the audio in any particular buffer
> until it's finished recording, and you might not want that.
> How about keeping track of the record head position, and preventing
> the play head from going there - have it jump over that position.
> (Using some scheme with < and > to increment the play head past the
> record head). You might have to do something to smooth the jump (a
> longer crossfade using a bit of audio in a tap delay line taking its
> input from just before the record head?)
>
> David
>

clicking in grain patch