petterdass

Is there a collection of max msp made plugins like the Reaktor Library?

Who is the genious maxMSP synthesizer creators like Reaktors programchild,lazyfish,chris List,Tim exile etc

Is there any classic maxmsp synthesizers/fx ?

Is there a collection of max msp made plugins like the Reaktor Library?
Who is the genious maxMSP synthesizer creators like Reaktors programchild,lazyfish,chris List,Tim exile etc

collection-of-plugins-made-in-max-like-reaktor-library

I think the pluggo collection is exactly what you are looking for.

> I think the pluggo collection is exactly what you are looking for.

On 12/24/07, Solomon Bothwell  wrote:
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> I think the pluggo collection is exactly what you are looking for.
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Maxobjects.com has some usefull things but nothing close

to what the Reaktor Library has. I would say the Max community 

does not share as many finished patches the way the 

Reaktor community does. But I do feel the Max community 

does a better job of offering examples and advice to help

Maxobjects.com has some usefull things but nothing close
to what the Reaktor Library has. I would say the Max community 
does not share as many finished patches the way the 
Reaktor community does. But I do feel the Max community 
does a better job of offering examples and advice to help
you create your own things.


At 4:08 PM -0700 12/24/07, petterdass wrote:

>Is there a collection of max msp made plugins like the Reaktor Library?

I think (and it's just a feeling) that the Max community does more work on making things for a specific personal project, rather than making a "product" for more general use. It's a lot of work to tune something up for general distribution.

 but that's the exception, rather than the rule. Most of my stuff is to geared to solving some particular compositional problem that I have. I know that I tend to spend more time helping others in the Max community learn how to solve their own problem than making a finished product for people to use.

Chris Muir | "There are many futures and only one status quo.

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 | and radicals always argue." - Brian Eno

At 4:08 PM -0700 12/24/07, petterdass wrote:
>Is there a collection of max msp made plugins like the Reaktor Library?

I've made a few things available [http://www.xfade.com/max] but that's the exception, rather than the rule. Most of my stuff is to geared to solving some particular compositional problem that I have.  I know that I tend to spend more time helping others in the Max community learn how to solve their own problem than making a finished product for people to use.

-- 
Chris Muir           | "There are many futures and only one status quo.
cbm@well.com         |  This is why conservatives mostly agree,
http://www.xfade.com |  and radicals always argue." - Brian Eno


Some of the best Reaktor programmers get paid by Native instruments 

to create instruments to be included in the factory library.

I think this helps Native Instruments in getting more Reaktor items sold - because its easier to sell the package in the store when you have a lot of devices to demonstrate.

I used to work in a store, and I sold lot of Reaktor, it had a huge 

WOW factor.We did not have MaxMSP in the store, i dont even know if 

it is a package version of it, but if Max 5 included some Reason/Reaktor instruments ready to plug and play, i think that would be a wise business decision from cycling74

Some of the best Reaktor programmers get paid by Native instruments 
to create instruments to be included in the factory library.
I think this helps Native Instruments in getting more Reaktor items sold - because its easier to sell the package in the store when you have a lot of devices to demonstrate.
I used to work in a store, and I sold lot of Reaktor, it had a huge 
WOW factor.We did not have MaxMSP in the store, i dont even know if 
it is a package version of it, but if Max 5 included some Reason/Reaktor instruments ready to plug and play, i think that would be a wise business decision from cycling74


The unfortunate thing about maxobjects.com is that there are like forty billion objects with no suggestions/feedback as to quality.

I think this is an interesting issue. Two of Reaktor's strengths are that it is prettier than Max/MSP to look at, and does have an impressive ensemble library. It's also very easy to make instruments that can be later integrated into larger ensembles. This is one reason I use it for teaching sound synthesis and dsp.

On the other side of the coin, Reaktor's documentation is some of the worst I've ever seen. Frankly, without those libraries I don't believe anyone would be bothered to get very far with it. Reaktor is also considerably less powerful than Max/MSP - there's a great deal of functionality it simply does not have - and, as befits something more complex, Max/MSP therefore has more possible uses. Reaktor confines, even defines, the type of sound you can make; Max/MSP does the opposite. Despite the size and complexity of the Reaktor library, it clearly caters for a very limited number of musics. Personally, I find the sounds of Reaktor ensembles interesting, but cheap and quite superficial in their allure. [It's also worth noting that Reaktor's prettiness is one of the factors that makes it far more CPU-hungry than Max/MSP for the same task.]

I, for one, value the difference. Reaktor offers an easy teaching path: it is less daunting for several reasons than Max/MSP. But for serious work, it's too limited, and the fact that it constrains compositionally is a severe problem. If what you're doing is not that unusual, then Reaktor (or any of the other mainstream pieces of software) is fine; if it is, then choose Max/MSP or one of the other lower-level programming languages (C-Sound, SuperCollider etc. etc.). I have found that I've built up my own unique Max/MSP library over the years, one that suits my own music and supports the very un-mainstream demands I make: the type of applications I've made in Max/MSP are part and parcel of the music I make (and are therefore not terribly portable to someone else's practice).

I think this is an interesting issue. Two of Reaktor's strengths are that it is prettier than Max/MSP to look at, and does have an impressive ensemble library. It's also very easy to make instruments that can be later integrated into larger ensembles. This is one reason I use it for teaching sound synthesis and dsp. 

Well written post, and one with which I agree completely.

One other aspect to bear in mind: Reaktor forces one to own Reaktor 

(unless something's changed recently that I've not kept up to speed 

with) to use patches created by end users for it.

Max/MSP on the other hand, allows that, but also allows distribution 

of collectives/plugins/standalones that do not require the full 

Practically, I think this makes some of the "higher end" Max-based 

creations to appear to the casual user to not be Max created at all.

202 Hack / PC-1600 User / VSTi Host / OMS Convert / Jack OS X / Major 

One other aspect to bear in mind:  Reaktor forces one to own Reaktor 
(unless something's changed recently that I've not kept up to speed 
with) to use patches created by end users for it.

Max/MSP on the other hand, allows that, but also allows distribution 
of collectives/plugins/standalones that do not require the full 
Max/MSP, but only the free Runtime(s).

Practically, I think this makes some of the "higher end" Max-based 
creations to appear to the casual user to not be Max created at all.

At 6:18 AM -0700 12/26/07, jg wrote:
>Vive la difference...

-- 
Dan Nigrin
Defective Records
202 Hack / PC-1600 User / VSTi Host / OMS Convert / Jack OS X / Major 
Malfunction
http://www.defectiverecords.com
http://www.jackosx.com


Quote: Chris Muir wrote on Tue, 25 December 2007 12:01

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> At 4:08 PM -0700 12/24/07, petterdass wrote:

> >Is there a collection of max msp made plugins like the Reaktor Library?

> I think (and it's just a feeling) that the Max community does more work on making things for a specific personal project, rather than making a "product" for more general use. It's a lot of work to tune something up for general distribution.

Have a look at the CNMAT Max/MSP/Jitter depot:

http://www.cnmat.berkeley.edu/MAX/downloads/

It's a pretty big collection of patches; some are specific and some are general.

Quote: Chris Muir wrote on Tue, 25 December 2007 12:01
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> At 4:08 PM -0700 12/24/07, petterdass wrote:
> >Is there a collection of max msp made plugins like the Reaktor Library?
>
> I think (and it's just a feeling) that the Max community does more work on making things for a specific personal project, rather than making a "product" for more general use. It's a lot of work to tune something up for general distribution.
>

collection of plugins made in max like Reaktor Library?