collection of plugins made in max like Reaktor Library?

Dec 24, 2007 at 11:08pm

collection of plugins made in max like Reaktor Library?

HI

Is there a collection of max msp made plugins like the Reaktor Library?
Who is the genious maxMSP synthesizer creators like Reaktors programchild,lazyfish,chris List,Tim exile etc

Is there any classic maxmsp synthesizers/fx ?

Thanks

#35116
Dec 24, 2007 at 11:38pm

#119309
Dec 25, 2007 at 3:44am

I think the pluggo collection is exactly what you are looking for.

#119310
Dec 25, 2007 at 4:21am

pluggo pluggo pluggo. it is nice :()

On 12/24/07, Solomon Bothwell wrote:
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> I think the pluggo collection is exactly what you are looking for.
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#119311
Dec 25, 2007 at 7:19pm

Maxobjects.com has some usefull things but nothing close
to what the Reaktor Library has. I would say the Max community
does not share as many finished patches the way the
Reaktor community does. But I do feel the Max community
does a better job of offering examples and advice to help
you create your own things.

#119312
Dec 25, 2007 at 8:01pm

At 4:08 PM -0700 12/24/07, petterdass wrote:
>Is there a collection of max msp made plugins like the Reaktor Library?

I think (and it’s just a feeling) that the Max community does more work on making things for a specific personal project, rather than making a “product” for more general use. It’s a lot of work to tune something up for general distribution.

I’ve made a few things available [http://www.xfade.com/max] but that’s the exception, rather than the rule. Most of my stuff is to geared to solving some particular compositional problem that I have. I know that I tend to spend more time helping others in the Max community learn how to solve their own problem than making a finished product for people to use.

-C


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cbm@well.com | This is why conservatives mostly agree,
http://www.xfade.com | and radicals always argue.” – Brian Eno

#119313
Dec 25, 2007 at 10:00pm

Some of the best Reaktor programmers get paid by Native instruments
to create instruments to be included in the factory library.
I think this helps Native Instruments in getting more Reaktor items sold – because its easier to sell the package in the store when you have a lot of devices to demonstrate.
I used to work in a store, and I sold lot of Reaktor, it had a huge
WOW factor.We did not have MaxMSP in the store, i dont even know if
it is a package version of it, but if Max 5 included some Reason/Reaktor instruments ready to plug and play, i think that would be a wise business decision from cycling74

#119314
Dec 25, 2007 at 10:12pm

The unfortunate thing about maxobjects.com is that there are like forty billion objects with no suggestions/feedback as to quality.

#119315
Dec 26, 2007 at 1:18pm

I think this is an interesting issue. Two of Reaktor’s strengths are that it is prettier than Max/MSP to look at, and does have an impressive ensemble library. It’s also very easy to make instruments that can be later integrated into larger ensembles. This is one reason I use it for teaching sound synthesis and dsp.

On the other side of the coin, Reaktor’s documentation is some of the worst I’ve ever seen. Frankly, without those libraries I don’t believe anyone would be bothered to get very far with it. Reaktor is also considerably less powerful than Max/MSP – there’s a great deal of functionality it simply does not have – and, as befits something more complex, Max/MSP therefore has more possible uses. Reaktor confines, even defines, the type of sound you can make; Max/MSP does the opposite. Despite the size and complexity of the Reaktor library, it clearly caters for a very limited number of musics. Personally, I find the sounds of Reaktor ensembles interesting, but cheap and quite superficial in their allure. [It's also worth noting that Reaktor's prettiness is one of the factors that makes it far more CPU-hungry than Max/MSP for the same task.]

I, for one, value the difference. Reaktor offers an easy teaching path: it is less daunting for several reasons than Max/MSP. But for serious work, it’s too limited, and the fact that it constrains compositionally is a severe problem. If what you’re doing is not that unusual, then Reaktor (or any of the other mainstream pieces of software) is fine; if it is, then choose Max/MSP or one of the other lower-level programming languages (C-Sound, SuperCollider etc. etc.). I have found that I’ve built up my own unique Max/MSP library over the years, one that suits my own music and supports the very un-mainstream demands I make: the type of applications I’ve made in Max/MSP are part and parcel of the music I make (and are therefore not terribly portable to someone else’s practice).

Vive la difference…

#119316
Dec 26, 2007 at 1:57pm

Well written post, and one with which I agree completely.

One other aspect to bear in mind: Reaktor forces one to own Reaktor
(unless something’s changed recently that I’ve not kept up to speed
with) to use patches created by end users for it.

Max/MSP on the other hand, allows that, but also allows distribution
of collectives/plugins/standalones that do not require the full
Max/MSP, but only the free Runtime(s).

Practically, I think this makes some of the “higher end” Max-based
creations to appear to the casual user to not be Max created at all.

Dan

At 6:18 AM -0700 12/26/07, jg wrote:
>Vive la difference…


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#119317
Dec 27, 2007 at 8:16pm

Quote: Chris Muir wrote on Tue, 25 December 2007 12:01
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> At 4:08 PM -0700 12/24/07, petterdass wrote:
> >Is there a collection of max msp made plugins like the Reaktor Library?
>
> I think (and it’s just a feeling) that the Max community does more work on making things for a specific personal project, rather than making a “product” for more general use. It’s a lot of work to tune something up for general distribution.
>

Have a look at the CNMAT Max/MSP/Jitter depot:

http://www.cnmat.berkeley.edu/MAX/downloads/

It’s a pretty big collection of patches; some are specific and some are general.

mz

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