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Considering getting Max/MSP…..???

April 10, 2006 | 3:11 pm

I’ve been debating for a good while whether or not I should delve into something as deep as max for sound design and music creation. After looking at some of the artist videos on this site this seems to be just what I’m looking for. I’m currently making experimental electronica. One question I do have is this….Is Max/Msp really as complicated as most people say it is?? Also…what do you guys use it for in your music?


April 10, 2006 | 3:43 pm

The concept is very simple really, it’s up to the user to decide how deep to dive… You can do very complicated stuff with max, but you can also just do simple and usefull stuff. Even the help-files for the objects make cool sound ;)

Max comes with the best tutorials in the world, so getting started is quite straight forward.

Try out the 30 day free trial period.


April 10, 2006 | 4:05 pm

in my opinion, max has a nice gentle learning curve – you can make a lot of
progress in not too much time, and the results can be pretty gratifying
after only a few tutorials. the documentation is excellent, as are the
forums etc, and yeah, the program is immense.
to ask what i use it for is a huuuuge question. you can make pretty much
anything in it – pre existing ideas like samplers etc, but with the added
advantage of being able to make it have the features you’ve always wanted in
3rd party software.
i’ve been learning max at university for a year now, and whilst i’m nowhere
near knowing all there is, i have a good enouh grasp i can do most stuff i
want, especially with support like this list.


robin


April 10, 2006 | 4:19 pm

Is quite difficult find a musical situation where maxmsp is not
useful. Hence, you can use it in many ways. It is a wonderful tool
for real time sound generated music and images. I use often to do
this, but you can also generate sounds to be mixed in another
application such as ProTools. For instance, actually, I am using it
to translate the images of some plasma waves electromagetic spectra
into sounds to mix them together and build a classic electroacoustic
work.

From my point of view, Max/MSP is as complicated as any programming
language. What can be really complicated are the procedures you must
implement to achieve your musical or fine arts objectives. Signal
processing topics are quite well known nowadays, but some background
is needed to understand them. Anyway, a thing is true for me :
MaxMSP makes easier a lot of signal processing stuff.

Jose Manuel

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April 10, 2006 | 4:22 pm

I just downloaded the demo…I’ll try it out and let you guys know what I think. Thanks!!


April 10, 2006 | 4:27 pm

Would it work well with Ableton Live 5(for doing real time signal processing)? I’m going to have my first gig this summer…Do any of you use it live?(creating your whole live set with it???)


April 10, 2006 | 5:17 pm

i have done…but you have to be careful with regards to cpu. i think you
can use Rewire with ableton


robin


April 10, 2006 | 7:37 pm

On 10 Apr, 2006, at 17:27, Omar wrote:

> Would it work well with Ableton Live 5(for doing real time signal
> processing)? I’m going to have my first gig this summer…Do any of
> you use it live?(creating your whole live set with it???)
>
Yes indeed – that is exactly what I use Max for most of the time, and
many others do too. I don’t know about working in with Live, but others
have done this. For me making my own instruments in Max is the key
thing, and has been for a long time. I don’t like using other people’s
instruments; I want to make my own. And Max is really good for that,
but you need to develop what it is that that you most want to do. It
won’t be easy, but with Max you have a chance.

And yes, it is really easy to get started – just follow the Tutorials –
the difficult bit comes when you have a clear idea of exactly what you
want to do and have to develop the way to do it – but that’s also part
of the fun – and when you succeed you have an instrument that is only
yours – and you can go on developing it and improving it – I’ve been
doing that for years now – it’s great!

And it’s what I dreamed of for twenty years or more! Wow!!

Have fun

L

Lawrence Casserley – lawrence@lcasserley.co.uk
Lawrence Electronic Operations – http://www.lcasserley.co.uk
Colourscape Music Festivals – http://www.colourscape.org.uk


April 10, 2006 | 8:12 pm

Yes, Max and Live get along well together. Max supports
the Rewire interface which allows me to send audio from Max to Live
(or vice versa). If you have pluggo as well, you can save
you Max patchers as VST plugins and load them in Live as
well.

Anthony


April 11, 2006 | 2:21 am

So, I’m a software engineer and I’ve been using Max/MSP for about 2.5
years, here’s my thoughts:

Max/MSP is general. It’s not that Max is complicated, it’s what you
want to do that’s probably complicated. In general, there seems to be
a tradeoff between generality and implementation complexity. John
Carmack of ID fame learned this when engineering the original castle
wolfenstein 3d.

From my experience, Max/MSP is lightyears ahead of the non-graphical
alternatives. You’ll spend months pouring over C audio api in order
to just get a sine wave out the speakers, and it will break easily.
Of course you can literally do anything in that environment, and you
could probably do it with much better performance.

My advice: once you get the basics of Max down, make sure your knobs
are "big knobs". By that I mean think about what controls would make
sense, and allow for interrelated parameters, and explore
quantization. Then you have a bit less freedom, but you can actually
get way more expressivity. Above all, keep your ideas simple and your
patches will be clean. Literally every patch that’s made me say woah
has been a really simple idea, well executed.

I think the general consensus is that Max/MSP is a good intellectual
investment if you like noises and computers.

Nothing good is easy.

_Mark


April 11, 2006 | 5:23 am

Omar wrote:
> One question I do have is this….Is Max/Msp really as complicated as
> most people say it is??

I’d guess "most people" don’t know it ;-)

It was never complicated for me, but can help you to solve complicated
problems. But do not expect it to be easy either, as it tends to
encourage you to try the impossible, which usually isn’t impossible in
the end…

It is like with any instrument or skill, you have to get into it, to
really understand what its about, and it will need its time to develop
your skills.

> Also…what do you guys use it for in your music?

Literally everything, I’d even start to create editors or DAWs, if the
readymade programs do not fit my needs anymore (which usually happens
sooner or later), just started to get into notation… I must be
crazy… Yeah, thats the danger, you might go crazy and addicted…
fortunately its uncurable (I love it ;-)

Stefan

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April 11, 2006 | 9:31 pm

I find MAX/MSP surprisingly easy and rewarding. I’ve been constantly surprised that things seem to end up working well and as intended. My expectation was that I’d be struggling with it, but I haven’t really. Also, there is a dedicated group of users who usually don’t seem to mind helping.

Good luck,
Joel


April 11, 2006 | 10:42 pm

And, as the tutorials say, if you have a good grasp of midi, learning Max
(not MSP) gets SO much easier. I had sold all my hardware samplers before
getting into Max/MSP, but picked up an Akai 2800 (for cheap!) primarily for
the purpose of learning Max. And I did it in that order… spent a few
months learing Max, then got into MSP (and I’m grateful, things weren’t as
confusing as they might havve been otherwise.)


arliss renwick
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April 11, 2006 | 11:27 pm

Thanks for all the replies….I’ll be ordering it on friday. Could any of post some of tracks that you’ve made entirely with Max/Msp? I would love to hear some of you guy’s work. Thanks!



April 12, 2006 | 12:04 am

Arliss…I really liked that dance party track you did…especially the way you mixed up the different vocal samples near the end. Good stuff!


April 12, 2006 | 12:07 am

I’m supposed to be collaborating with a guy I work with who plays the handdrums…..I’m really looking forward to that. Whenever that track gets finished I’ll post it for you guys.


April 12, 2006 | 12:17 am

thanks, and good luck with the contribution. A heads-up though: I pretty
much stopped making music for about 3 months while learning Max…lots to
learn!


arliss renwick
pellucid@telus.net
http://www.copperspine.com
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April 28, 2006 | 6:04 am

Just a heads up to those who care..lol…I get my copy of Max/MSP in the mail tomorrow. I’d still like to hear more of people’s work using max….so post away!!


April 28, 2006 | 6:17 am

wheres a good newbie site for max/msp stuff? I wanna know if i can
actually do it before i order it


April 28, 2006 | 7:29 am

u just need to download and try the demo for 30 days…

:)


April 28, 2006 | 4:03 pm

Welcome in the family…

Stefan

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Stefan Tiedje
Klanggestalter
Electronic Composition
&
Improvisation

/~~~~~
\ /|() ()|
))))) )| | |( \
/// _/)/ )))))
___/ ///

————————-x—-
–_____———–|———–
–(_|_ —-|—–|—–()—-
– _|_)—-|—–()———–
———-()————x—–

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94320 Thiais, France
Phone at CCMIX +33-1-57 42 91 09


April 28, 2006 | 10:46 pm

I didn’t get it today :( Maybe tomorrow or monday. Me a sad puppy :(


May 2, 2006 | 11:22 pm

I got my copy of Max/MSP in the mail today!!!!!! Just waiting on my authorization message….. :)


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