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Is it possible to send controller data from Max/MSP to control radiaL?

E.g. send the variables from a Max patch to radiaL and use those to control looping parameters in radiaL?

Is it possible to send controller data from Max/MSP to control radiaL? 

controller-data-from-maxmsp-into-radial

We're working on it though. I personally am keen on the idea of OSC.

You say "only via MIDI", does that mean it's not a good solution? Is OSC not possible at this moment?

I'm currently using FLOSC, Flash OSC, to connect my patches with flash. Would be great to be able to do the same with radiaL. :)

On Sep 6, 2006, at 2:33 PM, Marcus Woxneryd wrote:

> Is it possible to send controller data from Max/MSP to control radiaL?

> E.g. send the variables from a Max patch to radiaL and use those to 

Not at this time, but we'll be happy to consider it for a future

>
> Is it possible to send controller data from Max/MSP to control radiaL?
>
> E.g. send the variables from a Max patch to radiaL and use those to  
> control looping parameters in radiaL?

Not at this time, but we'll be happy to consider it for a future
improvement.

>Is it possible to send controller data from Max/MSP to control radiaL?

So what is the process of sending controller data to radiaL via MIDI? Is there a simple tutorial or something of this process?

>Is it possible to send controller data from Max/MSP to control  radiaL? 

On Sep 11, 2006, at 3:36 AM, Marcus Woxneryd wrote:

>> Is it possible to send controller data from Max/MSP to control 

> So what is the process of sending controller data to radiaL via 

> MIDI? Is there a simple tutorial or something of this process?

Mapping external MIDI controllers to radiaL parameters is

currently managed using the Control Map [apple-K], as you

probably know from having looked at your manual. The

process of mapping an external controller's output to a

radiaL parameter is covered in the manual in Chapter 4 of

the "Getting Started Manual" in the section on working with

At the moment, the actual messaging and routing itself is

not generally exposed to users. We'll be happy to consider

adding this functionality in a later version, of course.

>
>
>> Is it possible to send controller data from Max/MSP to control   
>> radiaL?
>
>> Currently only via MIDI.
>
> So what is the process of sending controller data to radiaL via  
> MIDI? Is there a simple tutorial or something of this process?

Mapping external MIDI controllers to radiaL parameters is
currently managed using the Control Map [apple-K], as you
probably know from having looked at your manual. The
process of mapping an external controller's output to a
radiaL parameter is covered in the manual in Chapter 4 of
the "Getting Started Manual" in the section on working with
controllers.

At the moment, the actual messaging and routing itself is
not generally exposed to users. We'll be happy to consider
adding this functionality in a later version, of course.


On Sep 11, 2006, at 9:53 AM, Marcus Woxneryd wrote:

Of course, a really clever person *could* create a

Max patch that outputs something in the form of a

MIDI continuous controller message, as shown in

the enclosed pitiful example patch. The aforementioned

really clever person would then select the

IAC Driver IAC Bus 1 as the output for this enclosed

patch, and then launch radiaL and open the

MIDI Control/Setup menu item under the System menu

and then choose the IAC Driver IAC Bus 1 listed

there as a source for input values. When one turned

on the insanely great example patch I've enclosed,

they would, then, see a bunch of data flowing into

radiaL that could then be remapped to control something

Of course, a really clever person *could* create a
Max patch that outputs something in the form of a
MIDI continuous controller message, as shown in
the enclosed pitiful example patch. The aforementioned
really clever person would then select the
IAC Driver IAC Bus 1 as the output for this enclosed
patch, and then launch radiaL and open the
MIDI Control/Setup menu item under the System menu
and then choose the IAC Driver IAC Bus 1 listed
there as a source for input values. When one turned
on the insanely great example patch I've enclosed,
they would, then, see a bunch of data flowing into
radiaL that could then be remapped to control something
or other.

"as shown in the enclosed pitiful example patch"

Sorry for, potentially, being stupid, :) but what do you men? Were you supposed to have enclosed a patch?

On Sep 12, 2006, at 2:30 AM, Marcus Woxneryd wrote:

> "as shown in the enclosed pitiful example patch"

> Sorry for, potentially, being stupid, :) but what do you men? Were 

Hmm. Perhaps the digestifying strips off enclosures.

>
> Hi,
>
> "as shown in the enclosed pitiful example patch"
>
> Sorry for, potentially, being stupid, :) but what do you men? Were  
> you supposed to have enclosed a patch?

Hmm. Perhaps the digestifying strips off enclosures.
Here's the same thing in text format.

Thanks a lot! That works like a glove. :)

Tried the patch now and it doesn't seem very stable at all. :(

I'm currently just testing controlling the volume of channel and 2 in radial, but every now and then it goes crazy and just stops. Then after 10 seconds or so it might come back again?

See attached image to see if I send the midi data correctly?

On Sep 16, 2006, at 8:49 AM, Marcus Woxneryd wrote:

> Tried the patch now and it doesn't seem very stable at all. :(

As is always the case, you stand a considerably better chance

of receiving help and advice if you include the standard bug-report

stuff. What kind of machine? How much ram? What OS version?

The view of the patch helps. The first thing that comes to mind

would be to wonder what *else* you have running on the

machine - OSX is, after all, a preemptive multitasking operating

system, and you're running two different programs that are

talking to each other. You on a wireless network? Listening to

iTunes, swapping windows every N seconds?

That kind of stuff is very helpful to know.

> Hi again,
>
> Tried the patch now and it doesn't seem very stable at all. :(

As is always the case, you stand a considerably better chance
of receiving help and advice if you include the standard bug-report
stuff. What kind of machine? How much ram? What OS version?
What version of the app?

The view of the patch helps. The first thing that comes to mind
would be to wonder what *else* you have running on the
machine - OSX is, after all, a preemptive multitasking operating
system, and you're running two different programs that are
talking to each other. You on a wireless network? Listening to
iTunes, swapping windows every N seconds?

That kind of stuff is very helpful to know.


And I'm just running radiaL and Max. What seems to happen is that radiaL stops sending the midi data to the controllers. I can still monitor MIDI activity on the LED and number displays in the MIDI control setup but it stops actually changing the different parameters. Then after say 20 s it starts again?

- Dual 2.5 GHz G5, 2 GB RAM
- Mac OSX 10.4.7
- Max/MSP 4.5.7
- 30 trail of radiaL

On Sep 16, 2006, at 10:36 AM, Marcus Woxneryd wrote:

> And I'm just running radiaL and Max. What seems to happen is that 

> radiaL stops sending the midi data to the controllers. I can still 

> monitor MIDI activity on the LED and number displays in the MIDI 

> control setup but it stops actually changing the different 

> parameters. Then after say 20 s it starts again?

Thank you for the details, Marcus. I can duplicate the problem

on a machine here, and will look into it.

>
> Sorry about that. Here we are:
>
> - Dual 2.5 GHz G5, 2 GB RAM
> - Mac OSX 10.4.7
> - Max/MSP 4.5.7
> - 30 trail of radiaL
>
> And I'm just running radiaL and Max. What seems to happen is that  
> radiaL stops sending the midi data to the controllers. I can still  
> monitor MIDI activity on the LED and number displays in the MIDI  
> control setup but it stops actually changing the different  
> parameters. Then after say 20 s it starts again?

Thank you for the details, Marcus. I can duplicate the problem
on a machine here, and will look into it.


Did you manage to look into the problem at all?

Would it be better to use ReWire to send the MIDI data?

Yes we are looking at the problem and hope to have something in place for the UB version of radiaL, coming soon to a website near you.

You could try using rewire, that's a pretty good idea, not sure if there are any rewire MIDI channels being setup though - let us know if not. I'll gladly add in a rewire MIDI channel for control in the next version.

Controller data from Max/MSP into radiaL?