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I own Live 7 with a normal licence and Max 5 with an educational licence.

What would be the cost to buy Max for Live is the scenario?

Will I have the option of purchasing an edu licence or a full licence?

It all seems quite complicated - different costs for

I hope your pricing strategy take in account all these situations

Also when I am no longer a student - what happens with the edu licence - do I have to upgrade straight away and how much is it?

What would be the cost to buy Max for Live is the scenario?
Will I have the option of purchasing an edu licence or a full licence?

It all seems quite complicated - different costs for
Live8 owners full
Live8 owners edu
Live8 full + Max5 full
Live8 full + Max5 edu (My situation)
Live8 edu + Max5 edu
Also Live 8 Suite owners......

Also when I am no longer a student - what happens with the edu licence - do I have to upgrade straight away and how much is it?


cost-of-max-for-live-for-exisitng-max-owners-edu-and-normal

When you are no longer a student, you then have Max on an educational discount. It is not an educational licence but rather just an educational discount. You have everything there if you've paid for it whether on the discount or at regular price. Only difference is, that you were given more of a break because you could prove you were a student at the time of purchase. No upgrade needed(although, AFTER you are a student, whenever Max5 upgrades to Max6 and you need to pay for THAT upgrade, then you will pay full price unless you are still a student at that point in time). I bought max/msp/jitter 3.something on an educational discount long time ago. Once I stopped being a student, I had already paid so the only thing I had to worry about was when Max upgraded to Max4 and Max5; at that point I paid the upgrade price in full because I was no longer a student(actually, i'm not even sure if they have student-discounts for upgrades once you've already bought the app on a student-discount because upgrades are discounted anyways for people who already own previous versions of the app). If you have already bought Max5 on an educational discount, and you are no longer a student, there is nothing you will have to pay until maybe Max6 is released, whereupon EVERYone pays. At least, that's my understanding of it so far. As for Max_for_Live and Ableton and Max5 with Ableton and Max_for_Live student-discounts, well, i don't think the companies would let us know until they are actually ready to release the product because they're not going to make a final decision about that release-phase of marketing until that phase is well underway.

Boy that was a convoluted explanation. Hope it helps, though. If not, I'm sure one of the C74 people can chime in...

As for me, I have Max/MSP/Jitter on full license purchase just last 

I would hope that Ableton and C'74 offer something reasonable for MSP 

> When you are no longer a student, you then have Max on an 

> educational discount. It is not an educational licence but rather 

> just an educational discount. You have everything there if you've 

> paid for it whether on the discount or at regular price. Only 

> difference is, that you were given more of a break because you could 

> prove you were a student at the time of purchase. No upgrade 

> needed(although, AFTER you are a student, whenever Max5 upgrades to 

> Max6 and you need to pay for THAT upgrade, then you will pay full 

> price unless you are still a student at that point in time). I 

> bought max/msp/jitter 3.something on an educational discount long 

> time ago. Once I stopped being a student, I had already paid so the 

> only thing I had to worry about was when Max upgraded to Max4 and 

> Max5; at that point I paid the upgrade price in full because I was 

> no longer a student(actually, i'm not even sure if they have student- 

> discounts for upgrades once you've already bought the app on a 

> count because upgrades are discounted anyways for people who already 

> own previous versions of the app). If you have already bought Max5 

> on an educational discount, and you are no longer a student, there 

> is nothing you will have to pay until maybe Max6 is released, 

> whereupon EVERYone pays. At least, that's my understanding of it so 

> far. As for Max_for_Live and Ableton and Max5 with Ableton and 

> Max_for_Live student-discounts, well, i don't think the companies 

> would let us know until they are actually ready to release the 

> product because they're not going to make a final decision about 

> that release-phase of marketing until that phase is well underway.

As for me, I have Max/MSP/Jitter on full license purchase just last  
year.

I would hope that Ableton and C'74 offer something reasonable for MSP  
in Live.

>
> When you are no longer a student, you then have Max on an  
> educational discount. It is not an educational licence but rather  
> just an educational discount. You have everything there if you've  
> paid for it whether on the discount or at regular price. Only  
> difference is, that you were given more of a break because you could  
> prove you were a student at the time of purchase. No upgrade  
> needed(although, AFTER you are a student, whenever Max5 upgrades to  
> Max6 and you need to pay for THAT upgrade, then you will pay full  
> price unless you are still a student at that point in time). I  
> bought max/msp/jitter 3.something on an educational discount long  
> time ago. Once I stopped being a student, I had already paid so the  
> only thing I had to worry about was when Max upgraded to Max4 and  
> Max5; at that point I paid the upgrade price in full because I was  
> no longer a student(actually, i'm not even sure if they have student- 
> discounts for upgrades once you've already bought the app on a  
> student-dis!
>
> count because upgrades are discounted anyways for people who already  
> own previous versions of the app). If you have already bought Max5  
> on an educational discount, and you are no longer a student, there  
> is nothing you will have to pay until maybe Max6 is released,  
> whereupon EVERYone pays. At least, that's my understanding of it so  
> far. As for Max_for_Live and Ableton and Max5 with Ableton and  
> Max_for_Live student-discounts, well, i don't think the companies  
> would let us know until they are actually ready to release the  
> product because they're not going to make a final decision about  
> that release-phase of marketing until that phase is well underway.


The pricing is currently unavailable. Stay tuned!

On 17 janv. 09, at 23:00, Robert Thompson 

> As for me, I have Max/MSP/Jitter on full license purchase just last 

> I would hope that Ableton and C'74 offer something reasonable for 

> On Jan 17, 2009, at 1:53 PM, raja wrote:

>> When you are no longer a student, you then have Max on an 

>> educational discount. It is not an educational licence but rather 

>> just an educational discount. You have everything there if you've 

>> paid for it whether on the discount or at regular price. Only 

>> difference is, that you were given more of a break because you 

>> could prove you were a student at the time of purchase. No upgrade 

>> needed(although, AFTER you are a student, whenever Max5 upgrades to 

>> Max6 and you need to pay for THAT upgrade, then you will pay full 

>> price unless you are still a student at that point in time). I 

>> bought max/msp/jitter 3.something on an educational discount long 

>> time ago. Once I stopped being a student, I had already paid so the 

>> only thing I had to worry about was when Max upgraded to Max4 and 

>> Max5; at that point I paid the upgrade price in full because I was 

>> no longer a student(actually, i'm not even sure if they have 

>> student-discounts for upgrades once you've already bought the app 

>> count because upgrades are discounted anyways for people who 

>> already own previous versions of the app). If you have already 

>> bought Max5 on an educational discount, and you are no longer a 

>> student, there is nothing you will have to pay until maybe Max6 is 

>> released, whereupon EVERYone pays. At least, that's my 

>> understanding of it so far. As for Max_for_Live and Ableton and 

>> Max5 with Ableton and Max_for_Live student-discounts, well, i don't 

>> think the companies would let us know until they are actually ready 

>> to release the product because they're not going to make a final 

>> decision about that release-phase of marketing until that phase is 

On 17 janv. 09, at 23:00, Robert Thompson   
wrote:

> As for me, I have Max/MSP/Jitter on full license purchase just last  
> year.
>
> I would hope that Ableton and C'74 offer something reasonable for  
> MSP in Live.
>
> -r
>
>
> On Jan 17, 2009, at 1:53 PM, raja wrote:
>
>>
>> When you are no longer a student, you then have Max on an  
>> educational discount. It is not an educational licence but rather  
>> just an educational discount. You have everything there if you've  
>> paid for it whether on the discount or at regular price. Only  
>> difference is, that you were given more of a break because you  
>> could prove you were a student at the time of purchase. No upgrade  
>> needed(although, AFTER you are a student, whenever Max5 upgrades to  
>> Max6 and you need to pay for THAT upgrade, then you will pay full  
>> price unless you are still a student at that point in time). I  
>> bought max/msp/jitter 3.something on an educational discount long  
>> time ago. Once I stopped being a student, I had already paid so the  
>> only thing I had to worry about was when Max upgraded to Max4 and  
>> Max5; at that point I paid the upgrade price in full because I was  
>> no longer a student(actually, i'm not even sure if they have  
>> student-discounts for upgrades once you've already bought the app  
>> on a student-dis!
>>
>> count because upgrades are discounted anyways for people who  
>> already own previous versions of the app). If you have already  
>> bought Max5 on an educational discount, and you are no longer a  
>> student, there is nothing you will have to pay until maybe Max6 is  
>> released, whereupon EVERYone pays. At least, that's my  
>> understanding of it so far. As for Max_for_Live and Ableton and  
>> Max5 with Ableton and Max_for_Live student-discounts, well, i don't  
>> think the companies would let us know until they are actually ready  
>> to release the product because they're not going to make a final  
>> decision about that release-phase of marketing until that phase is  
>> well underway.
>
>
>


Thanks for the explanation - very through - nice to know I can continue to use legit when I finish my degree :)

I've never heard of an educational discount like that before. While I was a college student I was still buying everything at regular full version price because of all the license restrictions for future use of student versions. Many licenses specify that the student version can't legally even be used once you are no longer a student. Add to that, a lot of software makers offer no upgrade path from student to a full license, so if you buy their student version it is essentially money thrown away. It's like buying a text book for a class that you'll never use again and can't resell.

That's my little rant. I wish more companies did it the way you explained. It's cool how Cycling74 does it. 

I've never heard of an educational discount like that before. While I was a college student I was still buying everything at regular full version price because of all the license restrictions for future use of student versions. Many licenses specify that the student version can't legally even be used once you are no longer a student. Add to that, a lot of software makers offer no upgrade path from student to a full license, so if you buy their student version it is essentially money thrown away. It's like buying a text book for a class that you'll never use again and can't resell. 

That's my little rant. I wish more companies did it the way you explained. It's cool how Cycling74 does it. 


Exactly. Educational "discounts" are way better than educational "licenses". Cycling74 does it right.

Quote: skrasms wrote on Sun, 18 January 2009 11:53

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> I've never heard of an educational discount like that before.... 

> I wish more companies did it the way you explained. It's cool how Cycling74 does it. 

Quote: skrasms wrote on Sun, 18 January 2009 11:53
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> I've never heard of an educational discount like that before.... 
> I wish more companies did it the way you explained. It's cool how Cycling74 does it. 
>
>
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On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:47 AM, raja wrote:

> Exactly. Educational "discounts" are way better than educational "licenses". Cycling74 does it right.

> Quote: skrasms wrote on Sun, 18 January 2009 11:53

> ----------------------------------------------------

>> I've never heard of an educational discount like that before....

>> I wish more companies did it the way you explained. It's cool how Cycling74 does it.

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:47 AM, raja  wrote:
>
> Exactly. Educational "discounts" are way better than educational "licenses". Cycling74 does it right.
>
> Quote: skrasms wrote on Sun, 18 January 2009 11:53
> ----------------------------------------------------
>> I've never heard of an educational discount like that before....
>> I wish more companies did it the way you explained. It's cool how Cycling74 does it.
>>
>>
> ----------------------------------------------------
>
>
>


Actually, as far as I know, this is the same with Ableton Live. There is no

"Academic License", but rather "Academic Pricing" for a complete normal

license. I e-mailed them and asked them quite specifically before buying my

own license. And yes, this is a great thing.

> I've never heard of an educational discount like that before. While I was a

> college student I was still buying everything at regular full version price

> because of all the license restrictions for future use of student versions.

> Many licenses specify that the student version can't legally even be used once

> you are no longer a student. Add to that, a lot of software makers offer no

> upgrade path from student to a full license, so if you buy their student

> version it is essentially money thrown away. It's like buying a text book for

> a class that you'll never use again and can't resell.

> That's my little rant. I wish more companies did it the way you explained.

Actually, as far as I know, this is the same with Ableton Live. There is no
"Academic License", but rather "Academic Pricing" for a complete normal
license. I e-mailed them and asked them quite specifically before buying my
own license. And yes, this is a great thing.
Jean-Francois. 

> I've never heard of an educational discount like that before. While I was a
> college student I was still buying everything at regular full version price
> because of all the license restrictions for future use of student versions.
> Many licenses specify that the student version can't legally even be used once
> you are no longer a student. Add to that, a lot of software makers offer no
> upgrade path from student to a full license, so if you buy their student
> version it is essentially money thrown away. It's like buying a text book for
> a class that you'll never use again and can't resell.
>
> That's my little rant. I wish more companies did it the way you explained.
> It's cool how Cycling74 does it.
>

On Jan 18, 2009, at 12:04 PM, Andrew Smith wrote:

> The secret is to get them addicted young.

That certainly worked for the tobacco industry.

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Cost of Max for Live for exisitng Max Owners (Edu and Normal)