Forums > MaxMSP

Could i build a synthethizer like prophet 08 or any synth with this software?

January 31, 2012 | 8:33 am

i´m new, i downloaded the demo and i would like to know if this possibe
sorry for my bad english

good night !


January 31, 2012 | 9:11 am

featurewise: yes and even much better.
soundwise: not at all.



pid
January 31, 2012 | 10:13 am

@xidance, you obviously don’t have Max6/Gen. these things are much easier than they used to be – i.e., totally possible, yes. seriously.

@Chiska, yes it is possible. however, it will take you a lot of study to become proficient enough to do this. take a look at an example max6 synth that has just been released here:

http://cycling74.com/project/eml-200-modular-synthesizer-with-sequencer/

warning: do NOT try and build a prophet08 emulation as your first project. maybe in a year or two. do other stuff first (like learning the software). if you want an out the box solution you have to go spend big bucks on vsti’s that may or may not be any good. max is geared towards building your own unique tools.

good luck.


January 31, 2012 | 10:31 am

Hi
I assumed xidance was merely generalising on the analogue v. digital debate; and an emulation will always be an emulation :p

pid’s advice holds true though – start simple, perhaps with a simple Yamaha DX emulation, additive or phase-distortion synthesis – examples of which can be found in the Max app folder

Brendan


January 31, 2012 | 12:51 pm

well yeah, it is been not specifically towards the abilities of max but the digital. algorithm is maths, so everything that is possible in digital is possible with max. but don´t expect it to sound like a prophet.


January 31, 2012 | 6:13 pm

Thank you very much guys, so friendly from your part and i think i’m gonna enjoy this software so much, every time i open max in certain way make me happy i don’t know why.

Good day !

Greetings.



pid
January 31, 2012 | 7:26 pm

i read / reply too quick! sorry xidance!

i guess what i should have said is: ‘yes, these days it is possible to to digital emulation in max quite easily (compared to the past), and as well as you can do it anywhere else’.

of course if you want my real opinion (of course you do not) ‘analogue emulation’ is a myth, and besides, ‘emulation’ is uncreative and boring.

…but trying to do it can be fun and teach you a lot and give you some real ideas in the process.

bye!


January 31, 2012 | 8:02 pm

@pid: Totally agreed. I tried to be accurate in building the above-mentioned synth, but that was because I was trying to match the output of the original since some students were working on the analog as well. (I didn’t, however, model the scratchy pots…)

Analog synths are pretty limited in their own ways; polyphonic voice allocation is a nightmare, and recording data with playback is a chore (Subotnick used to do it on tape!). The less you want it to be like a traditional instrument, the easier things are…


January 31, 2012 | 8:49 pm

@pid

no problem, its just words and you´re right. get from the outer world what you can use to find some inner truth, especially in the max area this truth is less limited by the digital than it is expanded.


February 1, 2012 | 1:13 am

"get from the outer world what you can use to find some inner truth, especially in the max area this truth is less limited by the digital than it is expanded"

haha, yes!

Max/MSP/Jitter, SuperCollider, CSound, etc. can do all these wonderful digital signal processing things, but it’s up to you to decide whether you use them to compress or expand your own soul :D


February 1, 2012 | 7:06 pm

A few years ago when I was learning synthesis first I used synthedit and I built mostly emulations usually they were based on the front panel and general functionality of some analogue synth. A little later I started looking at the repair manuals for these analogue synths and tried to set the envelopes, oscillators, filters and such to particular settings specific to the synth I was modelling. This is good to learn but ultimately feels fruitless. I mean there is the real prophet 8, plenty of free vst’s or cheap vst’s that will get me about as close as I am realistically likely to be ever able to build in Max. Also after I made my fancy synth I found I didn’t use it so much because I already had softsynths that did something similar anyways and I did not use them very much as it was. I found I preferred to make small one off audio patches. Not general purpose tools for everybody but artistic artifacts just for me. I do not have to spend so much time on the GUI or idiot-proofing the design – I am still happy learning and patching but… I do actually use these patches. Surprisingly the fact they are so unique you can call them up for specific jobs like they have little personalities that fit a particular mood or idea. I think I am trying to say that I use Max itself as a synth and build musical patches in Max rather than trying to build other synths. ymmv :)


Viewing 11 posts - 1 through 11 (of 11 total)