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Courses In Amsterdam, Or Closer

August 24, 2008 | 10:20 am

Hello all,

Just a quick question.

I am going to be moving to Amsterdam by the start of next year (2009).
I was just wondering if anyone knew of any Max.MSP/Jitter workshops that happen, either in Amsterdam.
If not, anywhere else that is close

Cheers


August 24, 2008 | 10:59 am

In the Hague there is the Royal Conservatory, where the Sonology
institute is.

There is very little in Europe more than Sonology, its something like
IRCAM, but Dutch, so full of colour!… (IRCAM is huge too, but
Sonology is real fun, and the people are just nice!)

So I guess you can go and see some fellow Maxers there, its only 30
mins from Amsterdam, and the train ticket should be still around 15
Euros,

Otherwise you should go to STEIM directly (in Amsterdam) (if its
still open), more than a Max course, you will get Computer music
knowledge, quite important I think!
And for sure people to point you out!

If you come to Berlin, you can contact us! more than a course we can
have a dinner, but still interesting!

On Aug 24, 2008, at 12:20 PM, Lewis G. Edwards wrote:

>
> Hello all,
>
> Just a quick question.
>
> I am going to be moving to Amsterdam by the start of next year (2009).
> I was just wondering if anyone knew of any Max.MSP/Jitter workshops
> that happen, either in Amsterdam.
> If not, anywhere else that is close
>
> Cheers
>
>
> –
> —–
> LGE
> Artist/Producer/Quasi Thinker
> —–
> http://www.myspace.com/lewisgedwards
> Organic Electronic Music
>

Jacopo Carreras
jacopo@lan-muzic.com
http://www.lan-muzic.com
http://www.myspace.com/jacopocarreras


August 24, 2008 | 12:55 pm

In addition to Sonology, there is what I
would consider to be a robust curriculum
in place at the HKU in Hilversum [yes, the
U originally stood for Utrecht, but the
people you're interested in are in Hilversum],
and I would be pretty surprised if the work
coming out of Leiden [Beeld and Geluid] was
done entirely by students to snuck over to
the Hague to learn Max.

Although I am myself a Sonology person, I
would personally say that to say that
Sonology is the only place in the Netherlands
where anything is happening does a considerable
disservice to any number of Dutch organizations
and artists, together or individually. This
list is full of interesting and talented
Dutch persons.

met vriendelijke groeten,
gregory


August 24, 2008 | 1:27 pm

On 24 Aug 2008, at 11:59, Jacopo Carreras wrote:

> In the Hague there is the Royal Conservatory, where the Sonology
> institute is.

I’m obviously out of touch – I’ve never heard of Sonology, although
I’m going to be in The Hague this week doing some work at Nederlands
Dans Theater (who are probably also doing some interesting stuff in
sound – I’ll try to find out).

– N.

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http://www.last.fm/music/cassiel
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http://www.loadbang.net


August 24, 2008 | 1:38 pm

Great, thanks for the replies guys,

I had a look at the IRCAM courses and also the Sonology courses as well (which has a lot to go through, or unless i read it wrong)

I have als signed up as well with the mailing list for the Cycling 74 courses, so if anything happens, i will get info on it,

Cheers again, and keep them coming


August 24, 2008 | 2:30 pm

Oh, no sorry, this was not the meaning, I just wanted to give a
starting point!

Just wished to say that I had a really nice experience there, and in
the Netherlands in general.

excuse my lack of specification please!

On Aug 24, 2008, at 2:55 PM, Gregory Taylor wrote:

>
> In addition to Sonology, there is what I
> would consider to be a robust curriculum
> in place at the HKU in Hilversum [yes, the
> U originally stood for Utrecht, but the
> people you're interested in are in Hilversum],
> and I would be pretty surprised if the work
> coming out of Leiden [Beeld and Geluid] was
> done entirely by students to snuck over to
> the Hague to learn Max.
>
> Although I am myself a Sonology person, I
> would personally say that to say that
> Sonology is the only place in the Netherlands
> where anything is happening does a considerable
> disservice to any number of Dutch organizations
> and artists, together or individually. This
> list is full of interesting and talented
> Dutch persons.
>
> met vriendelijke groeten,
> gregory
> –
> knowledge is not enough/science is not enough/Love is dreaming this
> equation

Jacopo Carreras
jacopo@lan-muzic.com
http://www.lan-muzic.com
http://www.myspace.com/jacopocarreras


August 24, 2008 | 2:56 pm

Hi Lewis,

I’m in the process of planning a 2 day workshop at STEIM (amsterdam) for the coming season (2008-2009). It will be a course for beginners and will be focusing on max 5.0.

This is NOT official yet but will keep you posted.

However, If you are interested in a school I can recommend Sonology (the Hague) of HKU KMT (Utrecht but located in Hilversum). Both have nice classes. Sonology is more focused on electronic composition.


August 24, 2008 | 9:06 pm

I really would recommend the HKU option, I did my master there and there are some really good people over there.
The faculty in hilversum is called KMT which stands for Kunst media en Technology (Art,Media and Technology) which pretty much says it all!



kjg
August 24, 2008 | 9:42 pm

Not sure if you are looking for a course in the sense of a one week intensive max course, or a course in the sense of a one year of more electronic music/media studies, but:

If you have a bachelor in a related field, I think you should consider the Master program at KMT in Hilversum. This is normally a two year program.

If you don’t have a bachelor in a related field, but you somehow kinda-sorta know what you are doing, (or at least what you want to be doing), the sonology COURSE, might be interesting. It is a one year course, that allows you to just pick what you need from the whole four year bachelor curriculum, and of course, pick the brains of the teachers.

I would consider Sonology more focused (on electronic/computer/algorithmic music), and KMT much more openminded to *anything*, that YOU want to do. Including, for example, wacky installations, music for theater, serious IDM type of stuff etc.

If you are a hardcore computer music guy, and are already well (I mean well..) educated. One year of sonology course could be all you need to take a leap in your composition/performance practice.

Clarence Barlow is not teaching there anymore, and I think Konrad Boehmer is not there anymore either, or at least not as the head of department. Kees Tazelaar is quite an amazing composer though, (and could tell teach you all you ever want to now about the analog studio there), and Paul Berg will whip you Max skills up three notches (if your brain can cope, that is)

If you need a one week course or similar, contact steim.

Hope this helps,
Good luck!


August 25, 2008 | 5:07 am

Wow, again, thanks for your replies, means a lot

I should have said early in my message.

I would like to take a 1-2 week workshop. The reason being, is that i will be working day and night, so a 1-2 year course, would be too hard on myself, for the work that i do.

I think i will go and have a look at STEIM, when i get there and ask some questions and all that business.

Also if Cycling 74 get back to me nearer the time about their own workshops, then that would be great.

Thank again and keep them coming


August 25, 2008 | 2:01 pm

Dutch survival tip:

Try to learn some Dutch [at least
some passive Dutch]. While nearly everyone
speaks English and you can certainly get by,
you may notice that the minute you head out
the door, everyone switches to Dutch. In my
embarrassingly limited experience, they’re
talking about some things you’ll probably
want to know about. :-)

There’s even a "Dutch for Dummies" out now,
and it’s a good deal more culturally savvy
than I might have expected.

gregory (whose "steenkool Nederlands" is a
continual source of embarrassment. A woman
I met at a party two weeks ago got on my
case about how bad my Dutch was, but it
turned out she assumed that I was one of
those people who lived there and didn’t
bother to learn any. So I guess it’s still
a bit of an issue….)


August 25, 2008 | 2:02 pm

argh. that was supposed to be email. ‘t
spijt me wel.


August 25, 2008 | 3:10 pm

aye, cheers for that greg man.

I do plan to learn Dutch, especially if i plan to live and stay there.
I am in the plan of getting a good book to learn Dutch, will give the Dutch for Dummies a go

It is much easier than Arabic I can tell you. For the 2 years i have been here, i know a few words, mostly swear ones. And i know a few egyptian swear words.
I did plan to try and learn arabic, but my throat just kept on caving in, hahaha

too much ‘hucking’ and bucking’


August 26, 2008 | 9:22 am

Right, i have gotten an order done for the Dutch For Dummies.

Have also started to save up for the workshop, just need the workshop

And also have an order for my MOTU 828 MK3, ooh cant wait.
Also getting hold of Jitter as well, :), but that will be next month.

Cheers to all the cats who helped with the questions of workshops near or in Amsterdam.

Just one last question, when is Pluggo out, or even the SDK kit out. I would love to make my Max 5 projects into plugins for Logic


August 26, 2008 | 10:47 am

Haha, nice to hear that Gregory,

I know for myself Dutch people are asses when it comes to speaking English if there are foreigners around. Even though i lived abroad for years and English isn’t really a big prob I still catch myself getting lazy at times (sorry Nesa). And you probably know how polite Dutch people are in general ^^.


August 28, 2008 | 1:18 pm

Dutch is a cool language, but hey, The Netherlands is a -really- small country. In Amsterdam there are many interesting people from abroad (artists, designers, dj’s, software developers) who don’t speak Dutch and don’t feel the need. Since there are quite some Dutch people, like yours truly, who prefer to meet with more internationally oriented people and speak English.

Btw, it’s pretty cool to see Gregory speak Dutch, or Japanese for that matter. When is there going to be another max/msp get-together in these parts?

Mattijs


August 28, 2008 | 2:10 pm

I’m definitely interested in a max/msp get-together.
I don’t know too many people in Amsterdam so far – besides my girlfriend -
and it sure could be fun!

I find Dutch to be very much like Danish, when you read it…
Can understand most as long as you see those letters, but then comes the
speaking of it!
Having a lot of problems with those "g’s" especially.

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Mattijs Kneppers wrote:

>
> Dutch is a cool language, but hey, The Netherlands is a -really- small
> country. In Amsterdam there are many interesting people from abroad
> (artists, designers, dj’s, software developers) who don’t speak Dutch and
> don’t feel the need. Since there are quite some Dutch people, like yours
> truly, who prefer to meet with more internationally oriented people and
> speak English.
>
> Btw, it’s pretty cool to see Gregory speak Dutch, or Japanese for that
> matter. When is there going to be another max/msp get-together in these
> parts?
>
> Mattijs
>


August 28, 2008 | 2:16 pm

I would love that, in all honesty.

I myself, when i relocate to Amsterdam am only going to know my girlfriend and that’s it. Also my computer, hahaha

So a get together of Max/MSP users would be great

Good idea man. Share ideas, patches, blah blah blah

I just bought Jitter today, so cant wait to get something going on that


August 28, 2008 | 3:29 pm

Haha yeah, same here. Two computers and a couple of instruments are
basically the closest I have to friends down here just yet, besides my
girlfriend, which does make a world of a difference… ;)

It sounds like quite a few people could be interested!

Now if we only had some kind of instantanious way of travelling, a sort of
portal….a a, teleporter! I shall commence construction of one at once!

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Lewis G. Edwards wrote:

>
> I would love that, in all honesty.
>
> I myself, when i relocate to Amsterdam am only going to know my girlfriend
> and that’s it. Also my computer, hahaha
>
> So a get together of Max/MSP users would be great
>
> Good idea man. Share ideas, patches, blah blah blah
>
> I just bought Jitter today, so cant wait to get something going on that
> –
> —–
> LGE
> Artist/Producer/Quasi Thinker
> —–
> http://www.myspace.com/lewisgedwards
> Organic Electronic Music
> —–
>


August 28, 2008 | 3:51 pm

Quote: dubbilan wrote on Thu, 28 August 2008 17:29
—————————————————-
> Two computers and a couple of instruments are
> basically the closest I have to friends down here just yet, besides my
> girlfriend, which does make a world of a difference… ;)

Haha, that sounds like a desperate urgency for a beer in a social environment. How about this weekend? There is a nice little dj cafe near Dam sqaure I like to visit:

http://www.thegetawaycafe.com/

It looks like on Friday and Saturday they have an interesting program. Both evenings would be fine for me. Anyone cares to join? Maybe we can make plans for an official get-together where people bring and demonstrate their work.

Best,
Mattijs


August 28, 2008 | 4:14 pm



kjg
August 28, 2008 | 4:29 pm

Quote: Lewis G. Edwards wrote on Thu, 28 August 2008 16:16
—————————————————-

> Good idea man. Share ideas, patches, blah blah blah

Don’t we have the list to share ideas and patches? How about having a beer and a laugh? :D



kjg
August 28, 2008 | 4:31 pm

Quote: dubbilan wrote on Thu, 28 August 2008 17:29
—————————————————-

> Now if we only had some kind of instantanious way of travelling, a sort of
> portal….a a, teleporter! I shall commence construction of one at once!

Seriously though.. We already have someone on this list working on a Mars lander.. Now a teleporter too??? Where is this all going!?


August 28, 2008 | 4:34 pm

A beer, chatting about patches, a strip bar. It does not matter to me. It just would be nice to meet other Max/MSP users. and even come up with groovy live shows using our computers and max patches

Also will be getting my Dutch For Dummies book in a few days, so will get cracking on that when i get it.

I have about 4 months left here in crappy Dubai until i make my move to Amsterdam, so just looking at the clock

This will be fun, to meet other users and abusers, hahaha

"Hi, my name’s Lewis and i’m a Max/MSP user" hahaha



kjg
August 28, 2008 | 4:40 pm

Quote: Lewis G. Edwards wrote on Thu, 28 August 2008 18:34
—————————————————-

> "Hi, my name’s Lewis and i’m a Max/MSP user" hahaha

Yeah man, the first step is to admit it… Only when you are out of the denial phase you can be helped. Maybe even replace the imaginary girlfriend for a real one… :P

Sounds like a fun plan though. Don’t care for the strip bar, but the rest sounds cool.


August 28, 2008 | 5:43 pm

Mattijs,
Sure, I would be up for that!
I’m not quite desperate, but a couple beers is always best to get before it
gets truely urgent I guess… ;)
I live fairly close to Dam square and Friday would fit me very well.

Cheers,
Lasse

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Mattijs Kneppers wrote:

> Haha, that sounds like a desperate urgency for a beer in a social
> environment. How about this weekend? There is a nice little dj cafe near Dam
> sqaure I like to visit:
>
> http://www.thegetawaycafe.com/
>
> It looks like on Friday and Saturday they have an interesting program. Both
> evenings would be fine for me. Anyone cares to join? Maybe we can make plans
> for an official get-together where people bring and demonstrate their work.
>
> Best,
> Mattijs
>


August 28, 2008 | 11:52 pm

Quote: dubbilan wrote on Thu, 28 August 2008 19:43
—————————————————-
> Mattijs,
> Sure, I would be up for that!
> I’m not quite desperate, but a couple beers is always best to get before it
> gets truely urgent I guess… ;)
> I live fairly close to Dam square and Friday would fit me very well.
>
> Cheers,
> Lasse
>

Great! What about 22h?

To other maxers based in and around Amsterdam: don’t hesitate to drop by. If you want to exchange phone numbers, send me an email off-list.

Btw, you’ll recognize me from the picture on my website: http://www.arttech.nl.

Cheers,
Mattijs


August 30, 2008 | 6:16 am

Great,

Have just received my ‘Dutch For Dummies’ Book and i have to say, the speaking seems easier to me than writing. But will see how this goes.
The book is very good, thanks or the recommendation Gregory man.
This will be WAY easier than Arabic, hahaha.

For what i have experienced in this book already, i feel it is a great starter for anyone wanting to learn Dutch.
I will pass it on if i meet someone in Amsterdam who does not know Dutch when i am done with it, also comes with a handy audio CD, which is great.

Also to add to the coolness, received Jitter on my iLok smart key a few days ago, and i can tell you. It has open my mind even further now, very happy with it already and have only gone through 3 tutorials.
The documentation for Jitter seems to be a hell of a lot easier than Max/MSP, but oh well, press on with Max/MSP as well.

Anyhow, enough of my bantering. Got plenty of Dutch and Jitter learning to get through.

:)


August 30, 2008 | 12:39 pm

Hey, we had fun yesterday night. A lot of talk about opengl vs directX 10, demo coders vs jitter users, how to deal with big patches. Belgian ‘witbier’. The beautiful girl from Venezuela who wanted to try weed for the first time but would have rolled a pure joint without our warning.. etc.

Seriously though, I’m looking forward to a more organized maxers/artists/technicians get-together in Amsterdam. I spoke to the guy who manages the cafe’s agenda. He is a dj/producer/vj himself and digs people that work with max/msp/jitter. Nice opportunity there.. I wonder how many people would be willing to share and/or demonstrate their work in a special max evening at The Getaway Cafe?

Mattijs


August 30, 2008 | 1:51 pm

My plan is, once i get much better at Max/MSP/Jitter, was to start gigging again anyhow.

I have not gigged in over 3 years. Mostly progressive rock mixed with jazz before. Also a hell more other things. And done a bit of DJ’ing because i could not find people to play the music i wrote

But i plan to do some gigging using max patches i have built. And maybe, hooking up things like guitars and the such using max patches to process it

Was also wondering that if there is a good following of us living and working in Amsterdam. Is that we should all get together and gig. Using our own ways of using and implementing performances with max/msp/jitter.

Sort of have our own group of people, all of which use max/msp/jitter. Then we can all organize our own nights for performance.
We can set up a night for ourselves, in which we all perform, one after the other, and even team up and play.
Basically, a bit like a club.

How does that sound to people?

But i myself need to get much better at Max/MSP/Jitter before i make that big plunge. So that is why i started this forum topic, to find out a good place to really learn Max/MSP/Jitter.

Tell me what anyone willing to join in with this idea thinks of it. I think it will be a great way to really get ourselves out and about and to really extend our knowledge and skills in the max/msp/jitter community.

I can say, that i am easily up for it and am willing to spend the time and effort to make it work…


August 30, 2008 | 1:59 pm

I would be!


August 31, 2008 | 8:46 am

Great news, just received my MOTU 828 mk3.

Oh, got some plans for this little baby in my next new music projects.

And now with Max/MSP/Jitter by my side, it will be a fruitful relationship.

I’m thinking 5.1 music for the next project

:)



nit
August 31, 2008 | 9:00 am

Quote: Lewis G. Edwards wrote on Sat, 30 August 2008 15:51
—————————————————-
> My plan is, once i get much better at Max/MSP/Jitter, was to start gigging again anyhow.
>
> I have not gigged in over 3 years. Mostly progressive rock mixed with jazz before. Also a hell more other things. And done a bit of DJ’ing because i could not find people to play the music i wrote
>
> But i plan to do some gigging using max patches i have built. And maybe, hooking up things like guitars and the such using max patches to process it
>
> Was also wondering that if there is a good following of us living and working in Amsterdam. Is that we should all get together and gig. Using our own ways of using and implementing performances with max/msp/jitter.
>
> Sort of have our own group of people, all of which use max/msp/jitter. Then we can all organize our own nights for performance.
> We can set up a night for ourselves, in which we all perform, one after the other, and even team up and play.
> Basically, a bit like a club.
>
> How does that sound to people?
>
> But i myself need to get much better at Max/MSP/Jitter before i make that big plunge. So that is why i started this forum topic, to find out a good place to really learn Max/MSP/Jitter.
>
> Tell me what anyone willing to join in with this idea thinks of it. I think it will be a great way to really get ourselves out and about and to really extend our knowledge and skills in the max/msp/jitter community.
>
> I can say, that i am easily up for it and am willing to spend the time and effort to make it work…
—————————————————-
i would be in for something like that! i’m also a really new user (as you probably can read out of my forum posts) and i’m also new to the forum offcourse. but i don’t know anyone using maxmsp and it would be nice to have cometogethers were we could watch learn and preform and drink loads of beer.


September 1, 2008 | 5:28 pm

T’was fun for sure!
Hopefully many people will be interested in continuing with such events…
:)

Lasse

On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Mattijs Kneppers wrote:

>
> Hey, we had fun yesterday night. A lot of talk about opengl vs directX 10,
> demo coders vs jitter users, how to deal with big patches. Belgian
> ‘witbier’. The beautiful girl from Venezuela who wanted to try weed for the
> first time but would have rolled a pure joint without our warning.. etc.
>
> Seriously though, I’m looking forward to a more organized
> maxers/artists/technicians get-together in Amsterdam. I spoke to the guy who
> manages the cafe’s agenda. He is a dj/producer/vj himself and digs people
> that work with max/msp/jitter. Nice opportunity there.. I wonder how many
> people would be willing to share and/or demonstrate their work in a special
> max evening at The Getaway Cafe?
>
> Mattijs
>
>


October 12, 2008 | 12:57 pm

Sorry if i am re-entering a lost and old post, but couldn’t be bothered to actually start a new post.

Anyhow, the plans for Amsterdam are now closer, because i am planning to go to the UK for a few weeks, one to see my good ol’ mum , who i have not seen in about 2 years (bad me, really bad).
But also to sort out client work i have and also sort future client work, before the full move to the ‘Dam.
Plus i’m planning to get away earlier from Dubai because it’s really starting to get me down mentally and physically more and more as the days go by

The question was yet another workshop question.

I will be in the UK for say around 3-5 weeks. And was actually wondering if there was any workshops for Max/MSP/Jitter around the time of December and January? This might seem a silly question, since everybody will be seeing loved ones, or hated ones through that time.
I am going to be in London around that time for about 2 weeks to see clients and get more work, and just thought that in between, i can get my Max/MSP/Jitter learning done at a workshop that may be happening

This is not a life or death situation, since i will be moving to Amsterdam, and plan to sign up for a workshop or go to STEIM to learn Max/MSP/Jitter. And plus will meet all these Maxites in the ‘Dam
But thought it would be nice to do it whilst i was there.

Any info would be nice

Greg: The ‘Dutch For Dummies’ book is great, but need people to practice with

Everyone Else: Can’t wait to meet up and just have a chin wag with everyone about projects and other such stuff that fills our lives with joy. And share patches, of course ;)


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