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crash with windows xp

February 13, 2007 | 10:07 pm

Hello,

I am getting some weird behaviour with my Max/MSP/Jitter. It is not
the end of the world but kind of annoying…

If I put my computer in stand by mode with max open, when I reopen it
I get all kinds of wierd behaviour like Max closing when I try to copy
and paste something. Links not working on my internet. It takes a
very long time for the screen to come up when it is coming out of
stand by.

This doesn’t happen if I don’t have max open so usually I just close
it when I put my computer in stand by and these problems usually go
away but not always.

Does max need a fresh start to ‘get the engines going’ as it were?

Cheers,

Carey


February 15, 2007 | 1:44 am

Heya.
I get a similar thing on my Lappers when i’m using Max and close the lid…when you wake the poor thing up again it eitehr goes haywire or crashs max. Me thinks many of the reasons is location of the librarys and all the jazz. Plus the windows acpi is different than mac’s and things. When i use Max under linux it never crashs which is interesting. My advice (Before all the PC haters tell you to buy a Mac) would be to make sure you save before standby….simple but effective. Windows (XP and before) seem to have a silly way of using page files etc also and even though Max is usally not very resource hungrey unless ADC/DAC’s are on and lots of fft etc is happening between standbys it can get a bit munchy. This is all from my own personal experience though. Windows is simple if you look after it and protect it from the nasty internet then it works fine forever. It’s a sad truth though that Max and many other audio workspaces are simply designed for Os-x and rudely don’t even make Linux ports. So it means windows avability is either limited or non exsistant.

Anyway good luck with future max/msp standby issues.


February 15, 2007 | 9:31 am

"When i use Max under linux"
Could you give some more detail on how you set that up??

/Mattias

On Feb 15, 2007, at 1:44 AM, Macca wrote:

>
> Heya.
> I get a similar thing on my Lappers when i’m using Max and close
> the lid…when you wake the poor thing up again it eitehr goes
> haywire or crashs max. Me thinks many of the reasons is location of
> the librarys and all the jazz. Plus the windows acpi is different
> than mac’s and things. When i use Max under linux it never crashs
> which is interesting. My advice (Before all the PC haters tell you
> to buy a Mac) would be to make sure you save before
> standby….simple but effective. Windows (XP and before) seem to
> have a silly way of using page files etc also and even though Max
> is usally not very resource hungrey unless ADC/DAC’s are on and
> lots of fft etc is happening between standbys it can get a bit
> munchy. This is all from my own personal experience though. Windows
> is simple if you look after it and protect it from the nasty
> internet then it works fine forever. It’s a sad truth though that
> Max and many other audio workspaces are simply designed for Os-x
> and rudely don’t even ma!
> ke Linux ports. So it means windows avability is either limited or
> non exsistant.
>
> Anyway good luck with future max/msp standby issues.


February 15, 2007 | 10:27 am

Macca wrote:
> When i use Max under linux it never crashs which is interesting.

Does MaxPlay run in wine? Could you share your experiences?…
Would be interesting to know…

Stefan


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February 15, 2007 | 6:23 pm

Also interested in this bizarre Linux statement.


February 15, 2007 | 8:09 pm

Returning to your problem…

> If I put my computer in stand by mode with max open, when I reopen it
> I get all kinds of wierd behaviour like Max closing when I try to copy
> and paste something. Links not working on my internet. It takes a
> very long time for the screen to come up when it is coming out of
> stand by.

I understand ‘all kinds of wierd behavior’ is what it feels like. But
the description is a little, well, vague. "Copy&Paste == crash" is a
little more precise.

Well, I went to boil water for tea, so I booted my MacBook up in
Windows while waiting to see if I could replicate. Indeed!

Heya C74 Windows Support (Andrew?), a Bug Report
================================================

Summary: After standby, Copy/Paste causes Max to crash

Steps:
1) Start Max, create new window, drop any object into the window
2) Put PC into standby (Start->Turn Off Computer->Standby)
3) Wake up PC
4) Select the object previously created in Max, Copy, Paste
5) Bye-bye, Max.

Expected Result:
- A new instance of the previously selected object

Actual Result:
- Crashed Max. Being Windows, there’s no crash log or anything, either.

Regression:
Max 4.6.2 w/Jitter 1.6.2 on Windows XP SP2.
Hardware: MacBook Pro (dual core Intel). Apparently this happens on
other Windows hardware.

Notes:
Seems to be Windows-specific.

There have been reports of other problems related to standby mode on
Windows that I have not yet been able to reproduce.

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Back to Carey:
> Does max need a fresh start to ‘get the engines going’ as it were?

Dunno. I had suspicions the the scheduler might not like the time
change during standby/wakeup, but that ought to be irrelevant to Copy/
Paste. I’d suggest you try to pinpoint your other issues and submit
bug reports like the above (or Google ‘bug report guidelines
site:cycling74.com’).

Hope this helps,

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February 16, 2007 | 11:39 am

yeh the crash im pretty sure is windows specific to laptops. I havn’t tried the crash via linux as linux doesn’t like being put on standby full stop and doesnt wake up most of the time. Anyway Linux wise its all happy via Wine…i know its not native to linux of course its just emulating windows but its happy as pie. There is some limitations of course as with nearly all wine applications.
The first is lack of quicktime support…as i’m not currently a user of jitter and i havn’t really explored the quicktime stuff of max yet this doesn’t really bother me. But i know that this is a problem….but it may be worked around….can you put quicktime on linux or run it via wine…i’ve never needed to as im a winamp fan.
The next problem is fonts ..teh default font for my Linux (Mandriva 2007.1) for max is this really annoying small peice of shit. but oviously you can cahnge the font of objects etc from the menu. When you load a patch made in windows or Os-X the font will be small but just highlight and change font of all and its fine.
the third problem i have come accross is again font related and its that the status bar at the bottom has got the small font again so when you highlight a outlet or inlet it tells you tis name but in the small font….if your a max pro though ad you know what the inlets and outlets of the object is its fine..

I am trying to work around this issue by playing with the default wine fonts.

Again i know that this isn’t exactly a native linux distro of Max/Msp but as cycling don’t make it then im not going to try to do it. Plus i can’t as i don’t ahve the know how.

Its fun to play with the XGL and AIGLX while using max.

Other linux stuff is that my JACK drivers are dodgy…i won’t pretend to be a linux pro so i’m sure its easiliy fixed…. so i use the OSS drivers with wine. Actully i think im sure the ALSA and my PD uses OSS….somthing like that….it sounds good though. I am gonna play with my jack again though so then i can route the output of max into otehr programs before it goes to my sound card…or put stuff staight into MAx

CHeck out open-sound.org or linux sound or something…its got loads of open source synths etc…most are shite but some are fun to play with,

If anyone has any other luck with linux max stuff please tell…..are cycling planning on ever supporting linux….it would be great to have a full version of max for linux


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