crashes under WindowsXP
Jul 26, 2007 at 12:17pm
crashes under WindowsXP
I am trying Max/MSP/Jitter for Windows XP – I have downloaded the 30-days trial – before I buy it.
I have been playing around a little bit just for a couple of days and it already happened twice or maybe three times that it suddenly crashed without a reason.
Well, when a program crashes it is *always* without a reason, since a program should never ever crash (it should give error messages and stops operations gently)… However in this case I mean it crashed at random moments while I was doing nothing erroneous nor even anything special, nor resource-consuming.
I am a little bit worried, as I don’t think I am willing to pay $800 or more for a software that isn’t even stable.
Jul 26, 2007 at 12:49pm
Jul 26, 2007 at 2:10pm
Jul 26, 2007 at 2:42pm
It’s not the patch. It’s not a specific patch.
It just crashed at random times while doing basically nothing.
For example this last time I had a help patch open and inactive (that is, with no metro turned on or other stuff nor anything that was “doing” anything), and on a clean patcher I created a message box and clicked on it in “unlocked” mode (so as to edit the content, NOT trigger the message, which however still wasn’t connected to anything so couldn’t cause anything to happen) and Max just closed, without even generating a crash report or dialog. Just closed.
No externals installed however, just a fresh clean max/msp + jitter install.
> If Max still
I don’t know how you can be so sure of that.
However, if there’s a problem with the hardware, a stable software would detect it and generate some error message.
You’re right in that it may be Window’s fault, however.
Jul 26, 2007 at 3:07pm
> A program *always* crash for a reason, actually because
However, reason (2) is a special case of reason (1), since a program should ALWAYS check for input validity, and in case of incorrect behaviour of the user should respond with error messages and such things. Indeed erroneous input is just one more kind of input. In extreme cases a software may suspend its activity, but if it crashes (and if it is not for reason 3) it is a bug by definition.
When I said “without a reason” I meant that it was not case 2, and that’s for sure, and that I don’t think it’s case 3, thought I cannot be 100% positive of the latter.
99% of the times, when a program crashes, it is because of a bug of the program. Even when it is in consequence of an error condition generated outside the program (i.e. in a call to some operating system funcion or something like that), OFTEN the external part is not malfunctioning but rather correctly reporting an error that the program is not handling correctly – that’s a bug.
> Max *is* stable. When it crashes, …
If it crashes, it is not stable.
> Thousands users may not be wrong.
Thousands of users may be right, or they may be wrong.
However, thousands of user are right/wrong saying what??
Thousands of users are saying that they’ve never seen max crash? I don’t discuss that. I’ve seen max crash, so it does crash unless I am having allucinations – which is even possible.
Jul 26, 2007 at 3:21pm
Well, there are lots of reasons why Max can crash, and not all of
It might bear noting that it’s relatively easy to check for all
All that said, there are lots and lots of people who use Max on
Am 26.07.2007 um 17:07 schrieb matteo sisti sette:
>> Max *is* stable. When it crashes, …
Jul 26, 2007 at 3:38pm
I have been using Max on XP for years so I can attest to its
Jul 26, 2007 at 3:42pm
Jul 26, 2007 at 5:31pm
Am 26.07.2007 um 16:42 schrieb matteo sisti sette:
>> If Max still
One last advice:
Jul 29, 2007 at 9:55pm
I’ve found Max on XP to be pretty sensitive to what audio driver I’m using on my system. With ASIO4All I had low CPU use but a lot of “random” (ie, not reproducible by following the same steps) crashing, even when doing seemingly harmless things like you say. With WDM drivers CPU use increases substantially on my system, and everything (especially GUI objects) slows down. Right now I’m using a firewire soundcard with its own ASIO drivers, and all the problems I had before went away right after I started using the new driver.
I don’t know if that will help you, but it might be something to think about. Do you see any difference if you have the dac enabled/disabled?
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