customizing object palette

Feb 27, 2006 at 4:09pm

customizing object palette

hi,

is it possible to change the object palette? i assume so as soft.vns adds a few icons.
would come in really handy as I seldom use it besides the six leftmost objects.

thank you,

isjtar

#24632
Feb 27, 2006 at 6:12pm

No…

ej

#71583
Feb 27, 2006 at 6:48pm

> > is it possible to change the object palette?
>
> No…
>
> ej

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well, then that can be considered a feature request.

i’d like to have any object (also 3rd party) to be placed at any location with a picture of my choosing as an icon.

and add to that shortcuts for inserting objects and messages, like in PD, the scripting way of doing it is too clumsy.

thank you

#71584
Feb 27, 2006 at 7:25pm

you sure? try installing softVNS,,, it adds some objects to the palette.

jlm

#71585
Feb 27, 2006 at 9:17pm

On around Feb 27, 2006, at 20:25, jonathan marcus said something like:
> you sure? try installing softVNS,,, it adds some objects to the
> palette.

Yeah, User Interface objects.

The palette is there for User Interface objects. You write a UI object,
your user puts it into max-startup, and its in the palette. That’s what
Jitter does, that’s what SoftVNS does, that’s what iCE does, that’s
what Nato did, that’s what everyone else adding objects to the palette
does.

On around Feb 27, 2006, at 19:48, junior said something like:
> i’d like to have any object (also 3rd party) to be placed at any
> location with a picture of my choosing as an icon.

But that’s not what the UI palette is there for.

The palette is actually far more limiting than object boxes.

> and add to that shortcuts for inserting objects and messages, like in
> PD, the scripting way of doing it is too clumsy.

I take it you’re already making full use of Templates, Clippings,
Shortcuts, and Prototypes?

– P.

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#71586
Feb 27, 2006 at 10:30pm

Quote: Peter Castine wrote on Mon, 27 February 2006 14:17
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> Yeah, User Interface objects.
>
> The palette is there for User Interface objects. You write a UI object,
> your user puts it into max-startup, and its in the palette. That’s what
> Jitter does, that’s what SoftVNS does, that’s what iCE does, that’s
> what Nato did, that’s what everyone else adding objects to the palette
> does.

ah, thanks for that…
> I take it you’re already making full use of Templates, Clippings,
> Shortcuts, and Prototypes?

i do, a key combination for new objects and messages would top it off.

the more time i spend on max, the more i want to optimize my workflow.
the clippings feature is a godsend, as is the extra’s folder.
making lots of general use patchers is nice too.
reminds me, better get into them shortcuts…

#71587
Feb 27, 2006 at 11:00pm

#71588
Feb 28, 2006 at 10:13am

#71589
Feb 28, 2006 at 3:49pm

On around Feb 27, 2006, at 23:30, junior said something like:
>> I take it you’re already making full use of Templates, Clippings,
>> Shortcuts, and Prototypes?
>
> i do,

Fair ’nuff. To be honest, I hardly ever use shortcuts, despite having
built a massive list of them. And whenever I see someone pointing to Pd
as a model for user interaction… experience has taught to ask the
question that was asked.

> a key combination for new objects and messages would top it off.

There have been times when I would have liked to generate a new object
without grabbing the mouse. But, aside from the fact that Max already
has 30 menu shortcuts and who’s got time to memorize all of ‘em
rhetorical question mark, object creation is an intrinsically graphic
operation. You need some way to specify *where* to put down the new
bugger^W object box. And the way to specify a location in a patcher
window is that damn’ furless rodent.

I do option-drag a lot to create new objects, oftentime I select an
existing object and hit Cmd-D. Either way, type to replace the box
content. Don’t forget that you can type the name of a UI object into an
object box and heyprestobobsyeruncle. That includes typing the magic
incantation “message” (without the quotes) into an object box.

Now, if patch cords would just remain in place when transfiguring an
objbox into a messbox, *that* would be something worth begging Cycling
74 for.

Best — Peter

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#71590
Feb 28, 2006 at 7:12pm

Quote: Peter Castine wrote on Tue, 28 February 2006 08:49
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> object box and heyprestobobsyeruncle. That includes typing the magic
> incantation “message” (without the quotes) into an object box.

didn’t know that, cool : )

> Now, if patch cords would just remain in place when transfiguring an
> objbox into a messbox, *that* would be something worth begging Cycling
> 74 for.

i’d like to have them signal cables a pixel slimmer too, they’re too fat, but that’s really nitpicking…

just checked out the toolbox and must say, it rocks!

need to adapt it though, number keys are a pain on azerty laprtopkeyboards, bloody french/belgian conspiracy : (

#71591
Feb 28, 2006 at 7:22pm

On 28 Feb 2006, at 19:12, junior wrote:

> i’d like to have them signal cables a pixel slimmer too, they’re
> too fat,

On the contrary: I’m sure Cycling ’74 could start a handy little
sideline in selling an upgrade to Max/MSP featuring extra-fat, low-
impedance patch cords. Of course, the longer the cord, the more it
would cost. And command-Y would have to be disabled: those right-
angle bends would really degrade the sound quality.

– N.

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http://www.cassiel.com

#71592
Feb 28, 2006 at 7:34pm

With gold inlets & outlets…..

#71593
Feb 28, 2006 at 8:11pm

#71594
Feb 28, 2006 at 8:37pm

#71595
Feb 28, 2006 at 8:50pm

Peter Castine wrote:
> Now, if patch cords would just remain in place when transfiguring an
> objbox into a messbox, *that* would be something worth begging Cycling
> 74 for.

I do this all the time, you might have missed the paste replace? Wasn’t
it Emmanuel who wrote a script to add a shortcut for that function?
Search the archives and you’ll find it…

Its set to alt-opt-v on my keyboard.

Stefan

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#71596
Feb 28, 2006 at 9:47pm

#71597
Mar 1, 2006 at 12:00am

I’ve always thought that UI objects should have arguments so you
could type “jsui jsui_swoopdial.js” and get the swoop dial or
“message foo blarg” and get a message box with “foo blarg” written
into it. also min and max points for dials and such.

just a thought
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#71598
Mar 1, 2006 at 7:26am

I figure that’s because numerics lead to money…

Seriously, this is the only time i request anything to C74 but how could
they put this away for so long time ?! : just a file / preference /
keyboard shortcuts option, for god’s sake.
All the tricks like Toolbox or others scripts are nice but will never
replace user defined parameters coded IN the software. And i realy miss
the paste-replace shortcut. And i still don’t understand why there’s a
ctrl/apple-V for paste and no ctrl+shift+V for paste-replace… If you
can do it for one, you can do it for all.

best regards

f.e

#71599
Mar 1, 2006 at 7:30am

so you’re against this new crazy proposal : renaming cities and
forbiding french in everyday use ?! politic… i heard it’s to cut off
the special budget treatment french areas got in the dutch part of the
country.

best

f.e

#71600
Mar 1, 2006 at 9:43am

don’t get me started, there’s a lot of idiocy like this going on, some find it historical, I find it backwards.
but do keep in mind that a small minority is causing these mediaoutbursts and it is not a general sentiment, on the other hand general consensus is that some things need to be reformed on both sides. only real problem is that we have more money then the french speaking and they have larger unemployment and the like, some people just don’t feel like sharing. on the other hand, shared money is being used the wrong way.

anyway, I live in Brussels, speak dutch with other dutch speakers, when there is a french speaking person around we speak french and if there’s someone who speaks another tongue, we happily speak english together.
people themselves get along pretty well.

i’m really more concerned about extreme right wing anti-foreigner ideologies, though both are related.

best

isjtar

#71601
Mar 1, 2006 at 10:16am

#71602
Mar 1, 2006 at 10:33am

#71603
Mar 1, 2006 at 10:44am

On 1 mars 06, at 10:43, junior wrote:

> anyway, I live in Brussels, speak dutch with other dutch speakers,
> when there is a french speaking person around we speak french and if
> there’s someone who speaks another tongue, we happily speak english
> together.
> people themselves get along pretty well.

I’ll be in Bxl for a couple of ars musica concerts (the 13/3 for a
percussion/max/msp concert, the 19/3 at bozar-terarken, at 11h, for a
piece with electronics, 2 “electric tp”, e-cello, kb – see
http://www.arsmusica.be/2006/nl/programma.asp). I’ll be behind the
mixing desk. Say hello if you’re around, so we can speak politics – but
it has to be in french, sorry :-)

p
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#71604
Mar 1, 2006 at 11:13am

Quote: Patrick Delges wrote on Wed, 01 March 2006 03:44
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> I’ll be in Bxl for a couple of ars musica concerts (the 13/3 for a
> percussion/max/msp concert, the 19/3 at bozar-terarken, at 11h, for a
> piece with electronics, 2 “electric tp”, e-cello, kb – see
> http://www.arsmusica.be/2006/nl/programma.asp). I’ll be behind the
> mixing desk. Say hello if you’re around, so we can speak politics

cool, I’ll try to get there

> it has to be in french, sorry :-)

damn francophones, don’t speak a damn word dutch ; )

maybe see you there, cheers

#71605
Mar 1, 2006 at 1:10pm

#71606
Mar 1, 2006 at 4:12pm

GREAT ! Sorry, for the teasing. I’ve just read this bloody mess in a
newspaper before reading your post. I’ll buy you a drink as soon as you
put a foot in Paris, really.

cheers

f.e

#71607
Mar 1, 2006 at 4:17pm

#71608
Mar 2, 2006 at 2:00am

it would also be cool if align and redo would not have the same (ctrl+y)
shortcut (on xp)

> I, too, would dearly love to have cmd-something-V for Paste Replace.

#71609
Mar 2, 2006 at 7:02am

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