Delay & Feedback

Sep 16, 2007 at 6:06pm

Delay & Feedback

I’m creating a simple [tapin~] / [tapout~] system, with feedback possibilities.

I’d like to control the feedback volume according to the number of repetitions it will create.

In other words, I’d like to know the feedback volume needed to make 1 repetition, 2 repetitions, 3 repetitions.

#33698
Sep 16, 2007 at 7:26pm

On 16 Sep 2007, at 19:06, Bertrand Fraysse wrote:

> In other words, I’d like to know the feedback volume needed to make
> 1 repetition, 2 repetitions, 3 repetitions.

The maths doesn’t work like that. If you have feedback > 0, you have
an infinite number of repetitions. End of.

If you want a discrete number of echoes, you’re better off putting
multiple explicit taps into the delay.

– N.

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#112585
Sep 16, 2007 at 7:51pm

#112586
Sep 16, 2007 at 10:04pm

It’s a nice idea but it would be too CPU intensive and I don’t really want this to be precise.
After few experiences, I think I’ll use this to control the feedback amount.

#P window setfont “Sans Serif” 9.;
#P window linecount 1;
#P newex 421 244 52 9109513 * 1.33545;
#P newex 421 224 52 9109513 clip 0. 1.;
#P newex 421 204 52 9109513 – 0.251189;
#P newex 421 184 52 9109513 pow 0.3;
#P flonum 421 165 52 9 0. 1. 3 139 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0;
#P flonum 421 264 52 9 0 0 0 139 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0;
#P connect 1 0 2 0;
#P connect 2 0 3 0;
#P connect 3 0 4 0;
#P connect 4 0 5 0;
#P connect 5 0 0 0;
#P window clipboard copycount 6;

#112587
Sep 17, 2007 at 6:52am

there is also [tapout 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0] – not everyone knows about that because the help file is quiet about it.

#112588
Sep 17, 2007 at 1:32pm

whoa! i didn’t know about that!

On Sep 17, 2007, at 2:52 AM, Roman Thilenius wrote:

>
>
> there is also [tapout 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0] – not everyone
> knows about that because the help file is quiet about it.
>

#112589
Sep 17, 2007 at 2:46pm

crap roman how do you find these things out???

#112590
Sep 17, 2007 at 3:03pm

Probably by reading the f m.
As someone much wiser than myself here once told me (probably Peter C.), don’t rely on the .help files alone. There’s often more to be found in the reference manual (and sometimes even more surprises when you ctrl-alt-click on an object to see what messages it understands),
cheers
Roger

#112591
Sep 17, 2007 at 3:13pm

that’s the first thing new devotees of the 110 cult learn at their
initiation. I tried, but it was too bloody…

or he just read it in the reference manual!

On Sep 17, 2007, at 4:46 PM, Nicholas C. Raftis III wrote:

>
> crap roman how do you find these things out???

#112592
Sep 17, 2007 at 3:27pm

On 17 sept. 07, at 16:46, Nicholas C. Raftis III wrote:

> crap roman how do you find these things out???

MSP46ReferenceManual.pdf, page 414

but also already in MSP doc rev1.1 (1998), page 281

And it’s also written in the tapout.help file.

_____________________________
Patrick Delges

Centre de Recherches et de Formation Musicales de Wallonie asbl

http://www.crfmw.be/max

#112593
Sep 17, 2007 at 6:33pm

they must have been updating the help file when i was not on my computer.

now i am wondering how they have access to my computer?

but nice that they still support OS 9 really.

#112594
Sep 17, 2007 at 9:17pm

oh yeah, Im not a big reader per say

hehe

#112595
Sep 18, 2007 at 4:30am

Quote: Axiom-Crux wrote on Mon, 17 September 2007 15:17
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> oh yeah, Im not a big reader per say
>
> hehe
—————————————————-

i was sure that you (in opposite to jb) really didnt know it.

the help file says something like “you can enter as much as delay times accoring to the number of outlets you want”.
that is a very cryptic way of saying “tapout can have up to 64 arguments.”

i read that for the first time in my life last night. luckily i know how to use the trial and error method very well. :)

more info about why it is the biggest error in academic sciences today that people use a solution for a problem once found over and over again (like looking in help files) – instead of finding new ways of problem solving on a daily basis can be found the source code of microsoft office and in books by philosophs like luebbe.

-110 (reinventor of the wheel)

#112596
Sep 18, 2007 at 4:37am

> i was sure that you (in opposite to jb) really didnt know it.

oops that was j.goldberg i thought it was a comment from j. bernstein. :) but maybe its still true what i said?

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