i’m working on delays and, before understanding all the pitfalls of
building one in C, i made one in max patching. To have a multitap delay,
the workaround i found is to remove/redraw a tapout~ object by scripting
(have to say how many taps, and what are their times…) Is there any
better solution ?

best

f.e
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You have noticed that one tapout~ can take multiple arguments, and be a multitap delay, yes?

mz

Quote: f.e wrote on Mon, 27 November 2006 07:24
—————————————————-
> Hello,
>
> i’m working on delays and, before understanding all the pitfalls of
> building one in C, i made one in max patching. To have a multitap delay,
> the workaround i found is to remove/redraw a tapout~ object by scripting
> (have to say how many taps, and what are their times…) Is there any
> better solution ?
>
> best
>
> f.e
> —
> f.e chanfrault | aka | personal computer music
> > >>>>>> http://www.personal-computer-music.com
> > >>>>>> |sublime music for a desperate people|
>
—————————————————-

//yac

> Hello,
>
> i’m working on delays and, before understanding all the pitfalls of
> building one in C, i made one in max patching. To have a multitap delay,
> the workaround i found is to remove/redraw a tapout~ object by scripting
> (have to say how many taps, and what are their times…) Is there any
> better solution ?
>
> best
>
> f.e
> –
> f.e chanfrault | aka | personal computer music
>> >>>>>> http://www.personal-computer-music.com
>> >>>>>> |sublime music for a desperate people|
>

On Nov 27, 2006, at 4:43 PM, mzed wrote:

>
> Hi f.e.-
>
> You have noticed that one tapout~ can take multiple arguments, and
> be a multitap delay, yes?
>
> mz
>
>
> Quote: f.e wrote on Mon, 27 November 2006 07:24
> —————————————————-
>> Hello,
>>
>> i’m working on delays and, before understanding all the pitfalls of
>> building one in C, i made one in max patching. To have a multitap
>> delay,
>> the workaround i found is to remove/redraw a tapout~ object by
>> scripting
>> (have to say how many taps, and what are their times…) Is there any
>> better solution ?
>>
>> best
>>
>> f.e
>> —
>> f.e chanfrault | aka | personal computer music
>>>>>>>>> http://www.personal-computer-music.com
>>>>>>>>> |sublime music for a desperate people|
>>

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f.e

Steven Miller wrote:
> And you can have multiple tapout~ objects from one tapin~ object, as
> well…
>
>
> On Nov 27, 2006, at 4:43 PM, mzed wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi f.e.-
>>
>> You have noticed that one tapout~ can take multiple arguments, and be
>> a multitap delay, yes?
>>
>> mz
>>
>>
>> Quote: f.e wrote on Mon, 27 November 2006 07:24
>> —————————————————-
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> i’m working on delays and, before understanding all the pitfalls of
>>> building one in C, i made one in max patching. To have a multitap delay,
>>> the workaround i found is to remove/redraw a tapout~ object by scripting
>>> (have to say how many taps, and what are their times…) Is there any
>>> better solution ?
>>>
>>> best
>>>
>>> f.e
>>> —
>>> f.e chanfrault | aka | personal computer music
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.personal-computer-music.com
>>>>>>>>>> |sublime music for a desperate people|
>>>
>
> —-
> Steven M. Miller
>
> Associate Professor of Contemporary Music
> College of Santa Fe
> Contemporary Music Program
> 1600 St. Michaels Drive
> Santa Fe NM 87505
> http://pubweb.csf.edu/~smill < http://pubweb.csf.edu/%7Esmill>
> (505) 473-6197
>
> SFIFEM Atrium Sound Space OVOS
> http://sfifem.csf.edu http://atrium.csf.edu
> http://pubweb.csf.edu/~smill/ovos.html
> < http://pubweb.csf.edu/%7Esmill/ovos.html>
>
>
> ————————————————————————
>
>

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> >>>>>> http://www.personal-computer-music.com
> >>>>>> |sublime music for a desperate people|

Eric

if the use of poly~ isnt sexy enough for you, then it is
hard to suggest something which you will like.

almost everything is sexier than the use of scripting
for DSP objects!

Isn’t teeth~ supposed to be that?
Mattijs

But, tell me if i’m wrong, changing the number of voices in a poly is
not much handy ’cause you got glitches, do we ?

f.e

Roman Thilenius wrote:
>
>> Yes, i know that tapout~ can take multiple arguments. But only since a
>> few days when, looking for how to achieve a bouncing ball delay, i
>> re-read the docs. Because there’s not a shadow of this in the help
>> files… Anyway, i erase/rewrote the tapout~ each time i need to change
>> the number of taps, but i still wonder if there was something more sexy
>> around.
>>
>> f.e
>>
>
>
> if the use of poly~ isnt sexy enough for you, then it is
> hard to suggest something which you will like.
>
> almost everything is sexier than the use of scripting
> for DSP objects!
>
>
>

–
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> >>>>>> http://www.personal-computer-music.com
> >>>>>> |sublime music for a desperate people|

nah, not voices, building blocks.
just make 10 copies of [fe.10-tap.~mxb] so that you can turn
70 tapouts (and all the connections from and to them) off if
you only need 30 taps for the current “preset” of your bouncing
delay DSP.

and about glitches: nothing makes more glitches than
scripting, which can in some cases just chrash the runtime
or the hw driver. :)

-nothing but 110

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On Nov 28, 2006, at 2:37 PM, Roman Thilenius wrote:

> scripting, which can in some cases just chrash the runtime

btw, i have a whole set of poly “objects” around tapping
delays. i would share it, but it is not “final” enough yet.

why i am telling you about it is this: it is possible to
create _poly~s containing the tapouts – but connect them
all to only one tapin in the _root level of the patch.

-110

As scripting will always interupt audio, its better to use a poly~…

Stefan

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Except that it’s not multitap.

Eric

Ah, that’s right.

But for shorter than the vectorsize, the word multitap is already
missleading. For the asked use, tapin~/tapout~ within a poly should be
able to do whatever one could ever need…

I place a receive object inside the poly~ for the tapin~ connection and
have a standard fadein/out to prevent clicks for switching on/off voices…
For communication I use midinote with the delaytime as note value…
Works as a charm…

Stefan

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anything which disconnects and connects signal cables,
especially when more thann 1 or 2 at a time.

but i assume it widely depends on operating system, I/O
hardware, and audio settings (I/O vector size and stuff)

An alternative might be a bank of delay~ objects. Feed the same
signal into each delay~ but set them to different delay lengths.

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Peter Castine wrote:
>>>> IIRC the minimum delay time for tapin~/tapout~ (at least with
>>>> feedback) can be no smaller than the MaxMSP vector size. This
>>>> restriction can be circumvented in a custom designed external, so a
>>>> multitap interpolating delay line object with internal feedback
>>>> would be most useful.
>>>>
>>>> Eric
>>> —————————————————-
>>>
>>> Isn’t teeth~ supposed to be that?
>>> Mattijs
>>>
>> —————————————————-
>>
>>
>> Except that it’s not multitap.
>
> An alternative might be a bank of delay~ objects. Feed the same signal
> into each delay~ but set them to different delay lengths.
>
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>
>
>

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i’ve done this, but got few strange results :

- first, the [in 1] seems to receive messages adressed to [in~1] (i got
an error gnagnghgngaga “flonum (connected to the [in 1] ): doesn’t
understand “tapconnect” when nobody talks to it).

- Then the out~ 1 & 2 don’t seem to output what they’re supposed to.
Having an [out~ 1] & an [out~ 2], i have to create a message [out 3]
(instead of simply say [out 1]) for the second msp outlet to let a
signal pass thru (!!).

- i send a list of ‘target n, ‘ (‘target 1, 1000′ then ‘target 2,
1500′, and so on) to specify different delays for the tapout~s inside,
and the only signal i got is a fucking 0ms undelayed one (i mean, when i
send a signal, it plays it like a bloody sfplay~, in time, with no delay
at all…).

f**k (not you of course, the poly~ object which i still hate to the end
of times).

f.e

Roman Thilenius wrote:
>
>> nah, not voices, building blocks.
>>
>
>
> btw, i have a whole set of poly “objects” around tapping
> delays. i would share it, but it is not “final” enough yet.
>
> why i am telling you about it is this: it is possible to
> create _poly~s containing the tapouts – but connect them
> all to only one tapin in the _root level of the patch.
>
>
> -110
> –
> http://vst-mac.info/
>
>

–
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> >>>>>> http://www.personal-computer-music.com
> >>>>>> |sublime music for a desperate people|

-Joshua

Roman Thilenius wrote:
>
>> nah, not voices, building blocks.
>>
>
>
> btw, i have a whole set of poly “objects” around tapping
> delays. i would share it, but it is not “final” enough yet.
>
> why i am telling you about it is this: it is possible to
> create _poly~s containing the tapouts – but connect them
> all to only one tapin in the _root level of the patch.
>
>
> -110
> –
> http://vst-mac.info/
>
>

–
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> >>>>>> http://www.personal-computer-music.com
> >>>>>> |sublime music for a desperate people|

I wonder if you could post this solution. I’d be interested to see it, especially if you can get a delaytime as short as 1 sample in your poly~ subpatch. But even if that is the case, I still argue that a standalone external would be better, because it saves you all that patching hassle, and would probably be more efficient on CPU too. Just don’t expect me to write one; I’m guessing that f.e may beat us to it :)

Eric

It also depends on object versions. I remember there was an issue with
poly~ which would crash when closed/changed with audio on. This is
fixed, and some unanalyzed crashes might remain in the brain. If you
avoid scripting in general, you wouldn’t notice that the problem resolved…

Nontheless, scripting audio objects sucks for other reasons…

Stefan

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