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		<title>Cycling 74  &#187;  Topic: deltaclip~ clips at zero &#8211; is this a bug?</title>
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					<title><![CDATA[deltaclip~ clips at zero &#8211; is this a bug?]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Leigh Marble</dc:creator>

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						<p>I just noticed this about deltaclip~, when a patcher wasn&#8217;t working as expected: the output of deltaclip~ is clipping signals at zero (does not go below).</p>
<p>The MSP Reference Manual says of deltaclip&#8217;s output that &#8220;The input signal is sent out, with its change limited by the minimum and maximum slope values&#8221;.</p>
<p>Easy to check this: open the deltaclip~ help patch, and change the &#8220;zero&#8221; number box at the top to the value of -1.</p>
<p>So, bug or feature?</p>
<p>Leigh</p>
<p>PS: I tested this in both Max 4.5 and 4.6, both on OS 10.3.9, and the results are the same.</p>
<p>Also tried with Max 4.6 on OS 10.4.8 &#8211; result was the same there too. In addition, I had to remove the delta~ object from the deltaclip~ help patch on that system, because otherwise Max would crash as soon as I started audio processing.</p>
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					<title><![CDATA[Re: deltaclip~ clips at zero &#8211; is this a bug?]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 10:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Stefan Tiedje</dc:creator>

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						<p>Leigh Marble schrieb:<br />
> So, bug or feature?</p>
<p>This looks like a bug. if you set the min to -1. it will go to the set <br />
input&#8230; probably some c-typic type confusion&#8230;</p>
<p>But it will revert to zero if I do big jumps. Set the min to -1. Then <br />
set the input to -1: the output will show it. Then type in -20. The <br />
output will go back to 0. If you slowly move the input to -20. the <br />
output will follow&#8230;</p>
<p>I guess this needs a fix, it seems totally broken for negative inputs&#8230;</p>
<p>Stefan</p>
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					<title><![CDATA[Re: deltaclip~ clips at zero &#8211; is this a bug?]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 20:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Leigh Marble</dc:creator>

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						<p>Thanks Stefan.</p>
<p>A workaround for now is (for signals in the range -1 to 1), to offset the input and output of deltaclip~ as such:</p>
<p>[+~ 1] -> [deltaclip~] -> [-~ 1]</p>
<p>This way deltaclip only sees postive values.</p>
<p>Leigh</p>
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