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I'm learning poly~ (which is a fantastic object btw) and wanted to know if [poly~] had voice steal like it,s brother [poly] 2nd argument (1)?

I know that [mute 1, 0] to [thispoly] == freeing up of processing and the 0 is free voice alert to parent poly.

But say you have only 8 voices being triggered very fast and the last voices trigger has not received the 0. sig~ or mess. indicating say the end of the amp, is the next bang ignored ??

Thanks a lot to all for shedding a little light.

I'm learning poly~ (which is a fantastic object btw) and wanted to know if [poly~] had voice steal like it,s brother [poly] 2nd argument (1)? 

I know that [mute 1, 0] to [thispoly] == freeing up of processing and the 0 is free voice alert to parent poly. 

But say you have only 8 voices being triggered very fast and the last voices trigger has not received the 0. sig~ or mess. indicating say the end of the amp, is the next bang ignored ?? 

Thanks a lot to all for shedding a little light. 

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I just did a little test having a AMP Release of 2000ms and trigger the source around 100ms. And the answer is : No poly~ does not have voice steal. it's wait till a voice is freed up.

ps. I would like to know if I am confusing things up here.

I just did a little test having a AMP Release of 2000ms and trigger the source around 100ms. And the answer is : No poly~ does not have voice steal. it's wait till a voice is freed up. 

This is a good moment to open either the help or reference for poly~ and search for the word 'steal'.

I just realized that it that this problem is super easy to overcome. JUST ADD MORE VOICES.

How silly of me. The more I have , the more will get freed up before the last one is gets available again.

Is there a logical ratio to follow here ??

DOH!!
I just realized that it that this problem is super easy to overcome. JUST ADD MORE VOICES. 

How silly of me. The more I have , the more will get freed up before the last one is gets available again. 

Is there a logical ratio to follow here ?? 

>>This is a good moment to open either the help or reference for poly~ and search for the word 'steal'.

I had. that's why I posted , I couldn,t anything on it anywhere. 

I was following the tutorial and I did not see it anywhere.

I had. that's why I posted , I couldn,t anything on it anywhere. 
I was following the tutorial and I did not see it anywhere. 

Stealing will work only when using the built in voice allocation stuff, using the note and midinote messages. And then it works properly.

It was nearly 4 am. I just saw now in the reference manual. But as they mention, undesired clicks may occur if steal in on.

So could we say as a rule of thumb that it,s better to keep it off?

It was nearly 4 am. I just saw now in the reference manual. But as they mention, undesired clicks may occur if steal in on. 

So could we say as a rule of thumb that it,s better to keep it off? 

phil hughes wrote on Mon, 21 September 2009 08:32

And the answer is : No poly~ does not have voice steal. it's wait till a voice is freed up.

that always depends on how you use poly~.

it is not very clear to see, but there are two completely 

different methods of voicing right in the helpfile already.

when you use "target"ing, a running poly voice would simply

be sstolen by sending (for example) a new frequency value

and restarting its envelopes and lfos to the same instance.

phil hughes wrote on Mon, 21 September 2009 08:32And the answer is : No poly~ does not have voice steal. it's wait till a voice is freed up. 

it is not very clear to see, but there are two completely 
different methods of voicing right in the helpfile already.

when you use "target"ing, a running poly voice would simply
be sstolen by sending (for example) a new frequency value
and restarting its envelopes and lfos to the same instance.

But again, my main interest in poly~ is to use it for granular type stuff @ speeds like 20 ms. using a 4 point amp env.

Simply because I find that @ high speed triggering of a sound it is many more time smoother then not having poly~.

But i was wondering If I would need less voices if voice stealing was involved?

But again, my main interest in poly~ is to use it for granular type stuff @ speeds like 20 ms. using a 4 point amp env. 

But i was wondering If I would need less voices if voice stealing was involved? 

one way could be to calculate outside how many voices are needed. like .. 8 voices when 4 grainstreams are active or

then you could just set the number of voices to poly.

but i must say, at least back on max 4, i have very bad

expierience about changing number of voices, it often does

not free up CPU when you kill voices while they are still 

something automatic which the poly patcher does on its own 

one way could be to calculate outside how many voices are needed. like .. 8 voices when 4 grainstreams are active or
however you patch works.
then you could just set the number of voices to poly.

but i must say, at least back on max 4, i have very bad
expierience about changing number of voices, it often does
not free up CPU when you kill voices while they are still 
running and it tends to crash a lot.

something automatic which the poly patcher does on its own 
seems more safe.


Right i think the best way is to no worry about it and have a[in 2] to to control a ratio that makes the amp of each voice's overall lenght rise as you trigger a grain faster. In other words the faster the triggering, the longer the amp lenght.

Although I do have Max 5 ,I am still on 4.6 as it works 20 times better w. my old powerbook g4. Max 5 is way , way to slow and + it crashes way to often.

>>but i must say, at least back on max 4, i have very bad

not free up CPU when you kill voices while they are still

Yes I notice that right away while doing the turorial yesterday, that in order to free up the CPU when decreasing voices, you have to turn the sig~ off and back on again!!

Right i think the best way is to no worry about it and have a[in 2] to to control a ratio that makes the amp of each voice's overall lenght rise as you trigger a grain faster. In other words the faster the triggering, the longer the amp lenght. 

Although I do have Max 5 ,I am still on 4.6 as it works  20 times better w. my old powerbook g4. Max 5 is way , way to slow and + it crashes way to often. 

>>but i must say, at least back on max 4, i have very bad
expierience about changing number of voices, it often does
not free up CPU when you kill voices while they are still
running and it tends to crash a lot.

Yes I notice that right away while doing the turorial yesterday, that in order to free up the CPU when decreasing voices, you have to turn the sig~ off and back on again!! 

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