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July 13, 2006 | 2:04 pm

i am getting a new macbookpro 15" for max/msp/jitter
wondering about an audio interface
only need 2 in (mic/line) 2 out
have been using mbox on g4 book

i also use an external hd
lacie (which gets very particular about concatenating)
i am paranoid about using the one firewire port for both hd & audio

are my fears justified?

how much do i gain by going firewire audio over usb audio on the new book?
recommendations for small fire interface?
recommendations for small usb interface?
recommendations for another external hd?

it takes all of us
LoneMonad

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July 13, 2006 | 3:05 pm

Someone I work with got a Presonus Firebox, which was rather
impressive. The only thing to note being that the drivers that come
with it don’t include the spdif on/off function – you have to
download a different driver from the presonus site to get this
(perhaps only an issue if, like us, you use a Teabox sensor interface).

David


July 13, 2006 | 3:29 pm

On 13 Jul 2006, at 17:05, David Stevens wrote:

> Someone I work with got a Presonus Firebox, which was rather
> impressive.

I have yet to see a small interface which provides a decent cue mix,
i.e. a separate headphone mix which can be a hardware-based mix of
inputs, or a separate addressable output, preferably both (but
certainly the latter). The full-size MOTU’s with CueMix do this. The
Edirol FA-66 can do only it if you sacrifice a pair of outputs
(leaving one stereo analogue pair and one S/PDIF pair).

Having said that, a quick check on the Firebox seems to suggest it’ll
do this (they seem to have updated the web page since I last checked
it). It’s certainly a nicely-designed bit of kit; I don’t know
anything about its reliability.

– N.

nick rothwell — composition, systems, performance — http://
http://www.cassiel.com


July 13, 2006 | 5:28 pm

I have been very pleased with the Presonus as well.

Lawrence Casserley – lawrence@lcasserley.co.uk
Lawrence Electronic Operations – http://www.lcasserley.co.uk
Colourscape Music Festivals – http://www.colourscape.org.uk


July 13, 2006 | 6:04 pm

thanx for the info

does anyone know if the FireBox converters also run at 16bits

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LoneMonad

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July 13, 2006 | 8:44 pm

The box says – 24 bit/96k (6 ins, 10 outs, midi, sp/dif)

David


July 14, 2006 | 7:30 am

If I remember well (I can’t check now!), the motu ultralite can do this
too.

p
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July 14, 2006 | 7:30 am

Presonus:
Nope. 24 is all you get.

I have problems when using bus power from a Mac Mini 1.25, which don’t happen if I plug into the G5.

The preamps are very good indeed for a firewire interface – I’m really fussy about bass guitar signals, but I get great results going direct into the Firebox.

The direct monitoring is a lot more flexible than most, but the control panel is a real pain in the ass to understand. I know that sounds unlikely, but try it out :-)

The Firebox can’t work as SPDIF master, in case this is an issue.

Presonus customer support is excellent – I usually get a mail within a few hours (assuming the Americans aren’t tucked up in their beds).

Top marks for reliability etc.

Serious contender would be the new Focusrite Saffire LE, at a similar price.

Stuart


July 14, 2006 | 9:36 am

I think if you want good cueing and monitor you should maybe go for the maudio 18/14

http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FireWire1814-main.html


July 15, 2006 | 9:19 am

Nick,

I could finally verify my previous post, and indeed, the ultralite has a phone mix, mixes can be routed to the phone output, hw output pairs (5 pairs in the ultralite) can be routed to the phone output.
Except the small display that is unreadable in many situations, the motu ultralite is a very nice interface.

p


July 15, 2006 | 10:01 am

Indeed – it runs CueMix, just like the 828 II and Traveler.

Go slightly upmarket and you’re into RME-land (Digiface, Multiface)
with their TotalMix software, but these units still use the grotty
CardBus interface (available separately…).

– N.

nick rothwell — composition, systems, performance — http://
http://www.cassiel.com


July 16, 2006 | 12:50 am

> Go slightly upmarket and you’re into RME-land (Digiface, Multiface) with
> their TotalMix software, but these units still use the grotty CardBus
> interface (available separately…).

RME Fireface 800 & 400…. predictably, both use firewire.

hmmm… just out of curiousity, Google says:
< <
Definitions of grotty on the Web:

* very unpleasant or offensive ; "a grotty little play"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
>>

So I disagree – I like CardBus, because it works very predictably, and
that prediction is "no problems"… more than I can say for Firewire in
this sort of application. And yes, my ancient laptop actually *has* a
PC Card slot. ;)


July 16, 2006 | 1:01 am

RME’s "Fireface" is grotless, and note the new
Fireface-400.

–raf.


July 16, 2006 | 10:32 am

On 16 Jul 2006, at 02:01, Robert Albert Falesch wrote:

> RME’s "Fireface" is grotless, and note the new Fireface-400.

The 800 is nice, but is a full rack width and quite expensive, so I
thought it was outside the remit of this thread. I didn’t know about
the 400: it looks nice, and it provides ADAT in a 1/2 rack space
without the drawbacks (predominantly physical) of CardBus connectivity.

– N.

nick rothwell — composition, systems, performance — http://
http://www.cassiel.com


July 16, 2006 | 10:04 pm

Hans, which one are you referring to?


July 16, 2006 | 11:25 pm

sorry for being unclear: i meant the presonus firebox – but it seems
to be an issue when used in combination with mac-mini.
i know happy ibook and pbook users, where its been working great over
long periods.

h

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July 17, 2006 | 3:30 pm

I have had no problems with it on a PB.

L

Lawrence Casserley – lawrence@lcasserley.co.uk
Lawrence Electronic Operations – http://www.lcasserley.co.uk
Colourscape Music Festivals – http://www.colourscape.org.uk


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