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					<title><![CDATA[flow chart needed!]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Fri, 29 Dec 2006 11:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Tobias Reber</dc:creator>

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					<title><![CDATA[Re: flow chart needed!]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Olaf Matthes</dc:creator>

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						<p><a href="mailto:tobiasreber@freesurf.ch">tobiasreber@freesurf.ch</a> wrote:<br />
> Hi everyone,<br />
> <br />
> I am in urgent need of a flow chart for a light sensor that will work with<br />
> the i_Cube by Infusion Systems, like the one they sell themselves (<a href="http://infusionsystems.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/24/products_id/51" rel="nofollow">http://infusionsystems.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/24/products_id/51</a>).<br />
> It just consists of a photo cell an a resistor on a small board, but I don&#8217;t<br />
> know whether they&#8217;re parallel or serially connected. the three cables are<br />
> the power, signal an ground connections.</p>
<p>
+5 V  ()&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
                 |<br />
               1k Ohm<br />
                 |<br />
OUT   ()&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
                 |<br />
                LDR<br />
                 |<br />
GND   ()&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>LDR is the light sensor, the 1k resistor forms a voltage divider with <br />
the resistance of the LDR. Depending on the resistance of the LDR you <br />
have to experiment a bit to find a suitable value for the 1k, it&#8217;s just <br />
a guess.</p>
<p>Olaf</p>
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					<title><![CDATA[Re: flow chart needed!]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Fri, 29 Dec 2006 13:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>andre</dc:creator>

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						<p>Es war der 29.12.2006 12:57 Uhr, als <a href="mailto:tobiasreber@freesurf.ch">tobiasreber@freesurf.ch</a> nicht<br />
widerstehen konnte, folgende Gedanken dem Netz anzuvertrauen:</p>
<p>> Hi everyone,<br />
> <br />
> I am in urgent need of a flow chart for a light sensor that will work with<br />
> the i_Cube by Infusion Systems, like the one they sell themselves<br />
> (<a href="http://infusionsystems.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/24/products_id/51" rel="nofollow">http://infusionsystems.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/24/products_id/51</a>).<br />
> It just consists of a photo cell an a resistor on a small board, but I don&#8217;t<br />
> know whether they&#8217;re parallel or serially connected. the three cables are<br />
> the power, signal an ground connections.<br />
> <br />
> Any ideas how that could look when drawn schematically? I need to build a<br />
> lot of those, in the next few days&#8230;<br />
> I&#8217;m not that good at analogue electronics, so I&#8217;d appreciate any help, hints<br />
> or links to information (in english, german or french). Is there some sort<br />
> of archive for such things, or abeginners guide to some basic circuits?</p>
<p>Hi Tobias,</p>
<p>In the pdf there are 3 schematics. The first two are with foto resistors.<br />
In the left one, where the foto R is next to U+, the signal voltage gets<br />
higher (towards U+) when there is more light.<br />
In the right one, the signal voltage gets lower when there is more light.<br />
In general foto resistors are really slow so I&#8217;d recommend you to use foto<br />
transistors as shown in the third schematic (you can change R and FT in<br />
order to he inverse behavior).<br />
The value R depends on the Rf or FT, on U+ and the amount of light, I&#8217;d<br />
start with 1kOhm.</p>
<p>
Andre</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
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					<title><![CDATA[Re: flow chart needed!]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Jennek Geels</dc:creator>

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						<p>
On 29-dec-2006, at 14:00, Andre Bartetzki wrote:</p>
<p>> Es war der 29.12.2006 12:57 Uhr, als <a href="mailto:tobiasreber@freesurf.ch">tobiasreber@freesurf.ch</a> nicht<br />
> widerstehen konnte, folgende Gedanken dem Netz anzuvertrauen:<br />
><br />
>> Hi everyone,<br />
>><br />
>> I am in urgent need of a flow chart for a light sensor that will  <br />
>> work with<br />
>> the i_Cube by Infusion Systems, like the one they sell themselves<br />
>> (<a href="http://infusionsystems.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/24/" rel="nofollow">http://infusionsystems.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/24/</a> <br />
>> products_id/51).<br />
>> It just consists of a photo cell an a resistor on a small board,  <br />
>> but I don&#8217;t<br />
>> know whether they&#8217;re parallel or serially connected. the three  <br />
>> cables are<br />
>> the power, signal an ground connections.<br />
>><br />
>> Any ideas how that could look when drawn schematically? I need to  <br />
>> build a<br />
>> lot of those, in the next few days&#8230;<br />
>> I&#8217;m not that good at analogue electronics, so I&#8217;d appreciate any  <br />
>> help, hints<br />
>> or links to information (in english, german or french). Is there  <br />
>> some sort<br />
>> of archive for such things, or abeginners guide to some basic  <br />
>> circuits?<br />
><br />
> Hi Tobias,<br />
><br />
> In the pdf there are 3 schematics. The first two are with foto  <br />
> resistors.<br />
> In the left one, where the foto R is next to U+, the signal voltage  <br />
> gets<br />
> higher (towards U+) when there is more light.<br />
> In the right one, the signal voltage gets lower when there is more  <br />
> light.<br />
> In general foto resistors are really slow so I&#8217;d recommend you to  <br />
> use foto<br />
> transistors as shown in the third schematic (you can change R and  <br />
> FT in<br />
> order to he inverse behavior).<br />
> The value R depends on the Rf or FT, on U+ and the amount of light,  <br />
> I&#8217;d<br />
> start with 1kOhm.<br />
><br />
><br />
> Andre</p>
<p>one more thing: make sure that the circuit does not draw more current  <br />
that the +5V lead<br />
can source. I would not go over 5 mA per lead, meaning that the  <br />
resistor must be 1k or higher.<br />
for one LDR there is little risk of drawing too much current, but you  <br />
mention that you are going<br />
to build a lot of them.<br />
how will you connect these?<br />
will each LDR circuit go to a separate iCube input?<br />
or do you want to send the combined effect of all photocells to a  <br />
single input?</p>
<p>I am not sure if the iCube inputs are protected against overvoltage.  <br />
If not:<br />
if you are going to use a second power supply for the photocell  <br />
networks,<br />
(for example if you need more current)<br />
be sure that its output voltage does not got over +5V. It may help to  <br />
clamp the iCube input<br />
to its own +5V with a diode.</p>
<p>-jennek</p>
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					<title><![CDATA[Re: flow chart needed!]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Fri, 29 Dec 2006 21:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Tobias Reber</dc:creator>

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					<title><![CDATA[Re: flow chart needed!]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Fri, 29 Dec 2006 22:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>andre</dc:creator>

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						<p>Es war der 29.12.2006 22:50 Uhr, als <a href="mailto:tobiasreber@freesurf.ch">tobiasreber@freesurf.ch</a> nicht<br />
widerstehen konnte, folgende Gedanken dem Netz anzuvertrauen:</p>
<p>> <br />
>> how will you connect these?<br />
>> will each LDR circuit go to a separate iCube input?<br />
>> or do you want to send the combined effect of all photocells to a<br />
>> single input?<br />
> <br />
> Olaf and Andre: thannks for the suggestions and pdf, I&#8217;ll give it a try..<br />
> <br />
> Jennek, I&#8217;ll use separate iCube inputs for each sensor, so overvoltage<br />
> shouldn&#8217;t<br />
> be a problem I hope. But thanks anyway for the hint.</p>
<p>If you use only the voltage provided by the iCube (probably 5V ?) there is<br />
no risk of overvoltage at all. But maybe too much current will be drawn if<br />
you connect many resistors with low values to the AD inputs of the iCube.<br />
The maximum current must be mentioned somethere in the manual.<br />
The current drawn with one voltage divider is the provided voltage (5V ?)<br />
divided by the sum of the two resistors (R and LDR). If there is much light<br />
the value of the LDR is very low so that  the effective resistance is that<br />
of R. If that R is 1k the maximum current drawn by this one voltage divider<br />
is 5 mA (current = voltage / resistance)<br />
If the iCube has a maximum current of, lets say, 30 mA you can have 30mA/5mA<br />
= 6 voltage dividers of 1k.<br />
If you need more sensors you have to use 2k or higher resistors.<br />
But the higher the value of R the more you shrink the measuring range, so<br />
it&#8217;s a trade-off between sensitivity and safety.</p>
<p>
Andre</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
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