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foot controller w/ drum pad

May 7, 2007 | 12:28 am

Hi, all.
I’m pretty new to Max/MSP. Just finished my first composition with a patch that is essentially just a series of reverbs and pitch shifting.
Anyway, I applied for an undergraduate research grant to compose a percussion and electronics duet that essentially treats the electronic performer as a second percussionist. If the grant is approved, I was going to get an Alesis Control Pad 8 drum pad MIDI controller. I’m a percussionist myself, and the idea is that the electronic performer will need to be at least a relatively skilled percussionist and will play back altered samples of the other live performer with this pad.
I’m looking for other ways to give the player control over the electronics. I could use a second MIDI controller, 1 or 2 of the 8 pads, the keyboard and mouse, etc. but I’m looking for a way this person can do it while playing. Something like an expression pedal.
I’ve already seen some of the ideas on the forums for something like this (volume pedal routed back into MSP with an amplitude meter of some sort), but I’m looking for something that can perhaps be more universal. Like a pedal that just plain goes from 0 to 127.
Also, this particular Alesis drum pad has a 1/4" for one of those hihat control pedals. Are these things usually continuously variable or just basically an on/off switch? If it was continuous, then I’m sure that could solve my problem.
Thanks in advance!


May 7, 2007 | 4:05 pm

??? check the pad manufacturer’s site – if its a hh pedal input it usually switches a CC or notes on or off(not variable)

if you don’t need foot control and money is an issue a joystick and the hi object might be good cheap solution – some of them have an additional "throttle" pot.



grg
May 7, 2007 | 10:06 pm

Am 07.05.2007 um 18:05 schrieb Bradford Reed:
> if you don’t need foot control and money is an issue a joystick and
> the hi object might be good cheap solution – some of them have an
> additional "throttle" pot.

or look for a steering wheel type joystick with foot pedals – not
exactly rock solid but can be found cheap and gives you 2 continuous
controllers with the hi object.

g, g.


May 8, 2007 | 1:08 pm

http://www.behringer.com/FCB1010/index.cfm

try that. I have one of these and find it very versatile.


May 8, 2007 | 5:53 pm

Behringer FCB1010- VERY COOL!
I had heard of this but thought that it’s functionality would be a little different.
I know that Behringer stuff is usually much cheaper than similar items from other manufacturers, but does anyone know of a pedal that does this exact same thing in a smaller package? My guess is that the FCB1010 would still be the most cost effective, but it would be cool to have something a bit smaller for the same cost or less.
Thanks again!


May 8, 2007 | 6:21 pm

The Roland GFC-50 in conjunction with a couple of expression pedals
will give similar functionality in a more portable package. I had the
Behringer unit and liked it for studio use, but abhored the idea of
lugging it to gigs. I’m replacing it with the GFC-50, 2 Roland
expression pedals, and 2 Roland footswitches. More money, no doubt,
but eminently more portable.

On May 8, 2007, at 11:53 AM, Eric Sheffield wrote:

>
> Behringer FCB1010- VERY COOL!
> I had heard of this but thought that it’s functionality would be a
> little different.
> I know that Behringer stuff is usually much cheaper than similar
> items from other manufacturers, but does anyone know of a pedal
> that does this exact same thing in a smaller package? My guess is
> that the FCB1010 would still be the most cost effective, but it
> would be cool to have something a bit smaller for the same cost or
> less.
> Thanks again!

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May 8, 2007 | 6:47 pm

Eric Sheffield skrev:
> My guess is that the FCB1010 would still be the most cost effective, but it would be cool to have something a bit smaller for the same cost or less.
You’ve guessed correctly. The Behringer is the cheapest one on the
market right now, as far as I know, and yes, it is *huge* if you ask me.

What I ended up doing recently was buying the following:
http://www.lbodnar.dsl.pipex.com/joystick/
with these guitar-stomp type buttons:
http://tinyurl.com/339kbe
and building them into a small metal case I had floating about here.

Total price is around half of the Behringer unit, it weighs a LOT less,
takes up just 18 x 36 centimeters and can also hold some knobs and up to
36 buttons in total.
It’s also bus-powered, works directly with the Hi object in max (or
preferably Joystick, if you’re on pc) and you can connect all your weird
experimental controller stuff directly to the pins. I’m very happy with
the purchase, and the soldering is almost done! :-) the whole thing can
be assembled in an hour or two.

Andreas.


May 8, 2007 | 8:59 pm

> What I ended up doing recently was buying the following:
> http://www.lbodnar.dsl.pipex.com/joystick/

Wow, that’s a cool little package. I had never seen that one before.
If you are willing to do a little soldering and fabrication work, there
are many, many options for a fully configurable controller. I would add
the Arduino, MakingThings modules, and MIDItron to the list of
possibilities for the DIY-er. Also, you can often find really cheap
switches and whatnot at online electronics surplus stores like
allelectronics.com

AB


May 9, 2007 | 1:03 am

How does the Hi object work?
It’s help file wasn’t very helpful.


May 10, 2007 | 3:26 am

I’ve been looking for more compact midi pedal solution
Ever since i’ve had Behringer FCB1010( too big of a
device for gigging), and so far
i’ve never found yet nothing on the market, but
meanwhile i’ve been experimenting trying use my Boss
GT3 effects processor for both : audio effects and
midi controlling, it takes some tricky programming,
but , at least i can eliminate one extra foot
controller from my rig.So if you own a guitar effects
pedal, you may try to explore it’s midi capabilities
if it has such and utilize them.In fact Boss GT-3
looks very similar to GFC-50, so why have two
controllers when you can do everything with one.
Anya

— Steven Miller wrote:

> The Roland GFC-50 in conjunction with a couple of
> expression pedals
> will give similar functionality in a more portable
> package. I had the
> Behringer unit and liked it for studio use, but
> abhored the idea of
> lugging it to gigs. I’m replacing it with the
> GFC-50, 2 Roland
> expression pedals, and 2 Roland footswitches. More
> money, no doubt,
> but eminently more portable.
>
>
> On May 8, 2007, at 11:53 AM, Eric Sheffield wrote:
>
> >
> > Behringer FCB1010- VERY COOL!
> > I had heard of this but thought that it’s
> functionality would be a
> > little different.
> > I know that Behringer stuff is usually much
> cheaper than similar
> > items from other manufacturers, but does anyone
> know of a pedal
> > that does this exact same thing in a smaller
> package? My guess is
> > that the FCB1010 would still be the most cost
> effective, but it
> > would be cool to have something a bit smaller for
> the same cost or
> > less.
> > Thanks again!
>
> —-
> Steven M. Miller
>
> Home < http://pubweb.csf.edu/~smill>
> SFIFEM <
http://sfifem.csf.edu>
> Atrium Sound Space <
http://atrium.csf.edu>
> OVOS <
http://pubweb.csf.edu/~smill/ovos.html>
>
>
>

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May 10, 2007 | 6:20 am

Quote: mopppish wrote on Wed, 09 May 2007 03:03
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> How does the Hi object work?
> It’s help file wasn’t very helpful.
—————————————————-
I think the max reference describes it very well.


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