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Force M4L Ableton live to recall the preset 1 after loading a preset file

egnouf — Tue, 29 Jan 2013 08:20:09 +0000

Dear all,
I have created a M4L patch where you can save parameters into a file.
I have a sort of little table of with 12 slots (1 .. 2 … 12 ) -> preset module

If I save my preset on the hard disk, it works fine.
If I load the preset file previously saved, the preset are read, no problem :-)

The issue is that once the M4L patche has read the file, the user MUST RECLICK on the presets PAD (number 1) to make appear the preset!

** How can I force M4L to RECALL the preset 1 (slot1) when M4L Ableton Live has finished to read the preset file from the hard disk?
Cheers!

Re: Force M4L Ableton live to recall the preset 1 after loading a preset file

mike fonte — Tue, 29 Jan 2013 10:32:31 +0000

Haven’t had that problem specifically, but I do sometimes struggle with saving the preset files in M4L. It’s probably worth asking if your .maxpresets files are in your Max search path? Also, what if you give the preset object a message of “loadmess 1″. Or try putting a delay of 250ms between the the loadbang/loadmess and the preset object. Maybe there is a problem with the order of operations.

Re: Force M4L Ableton live to recall the preset 1 after loading a preset file

broc — Tue, 29 Jan 2013 10:42:16 +0000

You could try [live.thisdevice]. It sends a bang if the device is completely initialized.

Re: Force M4L Ableton live to recall the preset 1 after loading a preset file

pid — Tue, 29 Jan 2013 11:10:35 +0000

use pattrstorage. period.

– Pasted Max Patch, click to expand. –

(from memory, untested)

Re: Force M4L Ableton live to recall the preset 1 after loading a preset file

amounra — Tue, 29 Jan 2013 11:43:17 +0000

If you put pattrstorage in parameter mode, you won’t have to go through the trouble of saving a separate file…it will be stored with the preset in your live set. That doesn’t prevent you from adding read/write buttons to the GUI to manually save the same data to your own location for safe keeping, but I find it generally easier to not have the hassle of doing something that’s already built into the object via live parameters.

Re: Force M4L Ableton live to recall the preset 1 after loading a preset file

egnouf — Tue, 29 Jan 2013 12:01:34 +0000

I am going to check now what you are mentiong (all of you)
I will make after a feedback to keep you inform :-)

Re: Force M4L Ableton live to recall the preset 1 after loading a preset file

egnouf — Tue, 29 Jan 2013 12:28:37 +0000

Hello,
I don’t know how i missed this, but I found in pattrstorage the famous “parameter mode” … and so I put it to “Enable”… and now it works fine, no need to save and “relaod” the presets :-)

I will try later the patch included in this thread as some info are nice for my patch ;-)

Big thanks!

Re: Force M4L Ableton live to recall the preset 1 after loading a preset file

mike fonte — Wed, 30 Jan 2013 01:57:57 +0000

Thanks for the live.thisdevice tip, Broc. And the patterstorage example, Pid. It makes me laugh how “clunkily” I will build something, before realizing there is a more elegant way.
I have heard that patterstorage is much better than the preset object. My issue is I build patches with multiple independant presets in them. For example, one preset would be for a synth, and the other for a sequecer. Preset object seems simpler when I want to make sure the right value is being controlled by the right preset.. Should I consider doing the same with pattrstorage?

Re: Force M4L Ableton live to recall the preset 1 after loading a preset file

amounra — Wed, 30 Jan 2013 04:31:34 +0000

You can do the same thing with pattrstorage, it’s a little more involved. I curse pattrstorage on a regular basis, but it’s an indispensable tool. Unfortunately, mixing it up with parameters in m4l (and in as of Max6, many more objects have a parameter mode) can be less than straightforward. Still, I couldn’t code without it anymore, and it solves more problems than it creates for me. There is just a lot of functionality to take in. I’d recommend doing some experimentation to see what works best for you, but I’d definitely recommend trying it out. Then put it down before you become violent…and try again tomorrow.

Re: Force M4L Ableton live to recall the preset 1 after loading a preset file

mbryo — Wed, 30 Jan 2013 10:00:39 +0000

@Mike Fonte
are you aware of this [js] preset manager for [pattrstorage] ? I’m not sure who made it originally, but if you’re really attached to the UI of [preset] then this will a lot to ease your transition!

put the pattr_ui.js file in your max search path and open this patch.

– Pasted Max Patch, click to expand. –

Re: Force M4L Ableton live to recall the preset 1 after loading a preset file

mike fonte — Wed, 30 Jan 2013 22:28:13 +0000

Amounra, thanks for the advice/encouragement, in regards to pattrstorage. I’ll remember your words, “try again tomorrow”, next time I become frustrated with Max. Sometimes it’s best to just take a walk.

Mbryo, thanks for hippin’ me to the pattr_ui. I just tried it (I had to rename the js patch). Should be pretty helpful. Looks like it was made by Charlie DeTar. http://tirl.org/software/pattr_ui/

Re: Force M4L Ableton live to recall the preset 1 after loading a preset file

Emmanuel Jourdan — Thu, 31 Jan 2013 14:37:17 +0000

Note that you can also use the preset object to control pattrstorage. Look at the interface tab in the pattrstorage’s help file to see an example.