CarlR

Can anyone tell me what tutorials I need to look at to suss out how to make more than one video go full screen? I have a patch with four video windows of equal size 2 up 2 down i.e making up a rectangle. I guess I have to mix and position them into one window first as only one matrix can go full screen. At the moment they are just positioned by moving them in the right place relatively, and so only one movie can go full screen.

Hi
Can anyone tell me what tutorials I need to look at to suss out how to make more than one video go full screen? I have a patch with four video windows of equal size 2 up 2 down i.e making up a rectangle. I guess I have to mix and position them into one window first as only one matrix can go full screen. At the moment they are just positioned by moving them in the right place relatively, and so only one movie can go full screen.


four-videos-into-one-full-screen

Ahhhhh  jit.glue!;-) super smashing great


If you want things to be even faster, you can use OpenGL (it really 

Set up your for movies to output named textures, and then do 

something like.. bah, here is the whole patch.

I bet this will be quite faster than jit.glue :)

On Dec 12, 2006, at 11:07 AM, Carl Rohumaa wrote:

> Ahhhhh jit.glue!;-) super smashing great

If you want things to be even faster, you can use OpenGL (it really  
is much faster)

Set up your for movies to output named textures, and then do  
something like.. bah, here is the whole patch.
I bet this will be quite faster than jit.glue :)

>
> Ahhhhh  jit.glue!;-) super smashing great
> --
> Some links to my stuff n that :-) http://zappa.tvu.ac.uk/~crohumaa/ 
> CV/cv.php

Quote: vade wrote on Tue, 12 December 2006 17:50

----------------------------------------------------

> If you want things to be even faster, you can use OpenGL (it really 

> Set up your for movies to output named textures, and then do 

> something like.. bah, here is the whole patch.

> I bet this will be quite faster than jit.glue :)

That's a nice and efficient patch! But couldn't you -at least- align your objects? ;)

[OT] Still I do wonder how it can be that patches I see from other users are without exception not aligned. I really can't work without straight patch cords. Even if my patch only contains two objects they will always be aligned. Am I.. different?

Ps. is it only in holland that they start playing christmas songs in supermarkets around the beginning of december?

Quote: vade wrote on Tue, 12 December 2006 17:50
----------------------------------------------------
> If you want things to be even faster, you can use OpenGL (it really  
> is much faster)
>
> Set up your for movies to output named textures, and then do  
> something like.. bah, here is the whole patch.
> I bet this will be quite faster than jit.glue :)
>

Warm and happy christmas greetings :p,
Mattijs

Ps. is it only in holland that they start playing christmas songs in supermarkets around the beginning of december?


in the US, they start those fucking songs late Nov, right after 

thanksgiving. If there is one thing I hate the most, it is the 

holidays in NYC with all the tourists, shopping sprees and crowds..

BTW, I usually do align my objects, but im running a little late and 

On Dec 12, 2006, at 12:14 PM, Mattijs Kneppers wrote:

> Quote: vade wrote on Tue, 12 December 2006 17:50

> ----------------------------------------------------

>> If you want things to be even faster, you can use OpenGL (it really

>> Set up your for movies to output named textures, and then do

>> something like.. bah, here is the whole patch.

>> I bet this will be quite faster than jit.glue :)

> That's a nice and efficient patch! But couldn't you -at least- 

> [OT] Still I do wonder how it can be that patches I see from other 

> users are without exception not aligned. I really can't work 

> without straight patch cords. Even if my patch only contains two 

> objects they will always be aligned. Am I.. different?

> Ps. is it only in holland that they start playing christmas songs 

> in supermarkets around the beginning of december?

> Interactive audiovisual sampling soft- and hardware

in the US, they start those fucking songs late Nov, right after  
thanksgiving. If there is one thing I hate the most, it is the  
holidays in NYC with all the tourists, shopping sprees and crowds..

BTW, I usually do align my objects, but im running a little late and  
was rushed :P

>
> Quote: vade wrote on Tue, 12 December 2006 17:50
> ----------------------------------------------------
>> If you want things to be even faster, you can use OpenGL (it really
>> is much faster)
>>
>> Set up your for movies to output named textures, and then do
>> something like.. bah, here is the whole patch.
>> I bet this will be quite faster than jit.glue :)
>>
>
> That's a nice and efficient patch! But couldn't you -at least-  
> align your objects? ;)
>
> [OT] Still I do wonder how it can be that patches I see from other  
> users are without exception not aligned. I really can't work  
> without straight patch cords. Even if my patch only contains two  
> objects they will always be aligned. Am I.. different?
>
> Warm and happy christmas greetings :p,
> Mattijs
>
> Ps. is it only in holland that they start playing christmas songs  
> in supermarkets around the beginning of december?
> --
> SmadSteck - http://www.smadsteck.nl
> Interactive audiovisual sampling soft- and hardware
>

Faster sounds good to me! but I can't open your patch :(

what I normally do is cut n past into text edit make it plain text and name it .pat is this right? Max window says "object dose not exist"

I will have a go at OpenGL now I know there is a better way. Thought I had sussed it with jit.glue! It works is easy but now you have told me about a faster way I will have to explore that.

Thanks,
Faster sounds good to me! but I can't open your patch :(
what I normally do is cut n past into text edit make it plain text and name it .pat is this right? Max window says "object dose not exist"

I will have a go at OpenGL now I know there is a better way. Thought I had sussed it with jit.glue! It works is easy but now you have told me about a faster way I will have to explore that. 

> Faster sounds good to me! but I can't open your patch :(

> what I normally do is cut n past into text edit make it plain text and name it .pat is this right?

No. For this you can just open a new blank patch and paste directly

in it. All objects will appear like magic.

On 12/12/06, Carl Rohumaa  wrote:
>
> Thanks,
> Faster sounds good to me! but I can't open your patch :(
> what I normally do is cut n past into text edit make it plain text and name it .pat is this right?

No.  For this you can just open a new blank patch and paste directly
in it.  All objects will appear like magic.

>[OT] Still I do wonder how it can be that patches I see from other 

>users are without exception not aligned. I really can't work without 

>straight patch cords. Even if my patch only contains two objects 

>they will always be aligned. Am I.. different?

This is perhaps better discussed with your therapist. :-)

In my experience, there is a subset of Max users who appear to view

non-straightened patches as some sort of outward and visible sign of

their inward creativity. One often encounters them in the course of

attempting to debug a rat's nest of a patch, and it's also not too surprising

to discover that some very large number of them haven't bothered to

look at those bits in the tutorials where position and order of operations

are discussed, and that they are thus mystified as to why their obviously

visionary-looking badboy Max patch doesn't work properly when they

Of course, this doesn't describe *all* cases where the rat's nest

rules, and it's not always the case that such patching approaches

are *necessarily* strongly linked to the an attitude toward "creativity"

that privileges concept over detail and execution.

Usually, it's a phase, like adolescence. Some people remain

adolescents longer than others, that's all.

My official workshop mantra about patch neatness is the same

as commenting patches: It is a way of writing love notes to your

future self. And I am by no means anything approaching a "neat

The other main source of ratsnestery is sequential patching, where

a subsection of a patch is jiggled and nonaligned because it was

added later and the patcher just never got around to cleaning the

campsite. I do that all the time, and have suffered for it more than once.

>Ps. is it only in holland that they start playing christmas songs in 

>supermarkets around the beginning of december?

on the floor there's a long wooden table/on the table there's an open book/

on the page there's a detailed drawing/and on the drawing is the name I took

>[OT] Still I do wonder how it can be that patches I see from other 
>users are without exception not aligned. I really can't work without 
>straight patch cords. Even if my patch only contains two objects 
>they will always be aligned. Am I.. different?

In my experience, there is a subset of Max users who appear to view
non-straightened patches as some sort of outward and visible sign of
their inward creativity. One often encounters them in the course of
attempting to debug a rat's nest of a patch, and it's also not too surprising
to discover that some very large number of them haven't bothered to
look at those bits in the tutorials where position and order of operations
are discussed, and that they are thus mystified as to why their obviously
visionary-looking badboy Max patch doesn't work properly when they
shove stuff around.

Of course, this doesn't describe *all* cases where the rat's nest
rules, and it's not always the case that such patching approaches
are *necessarily* strongly linked to the an attitude toward "creativity"
that privileges concept over detail and execution.

Usually, it's a phase, like adolescence. Some people remain
adolescents longer than others, that's all.

My official workshop mantra about patch neatness is the same
as commenting patches: It is a way of writing love notes to your
future self. And I am by no means anything approaching a "neat
person." Ask anyone.

The other main source of ratsnestery is sequential patching, where
a subsection of a patch is jiggled and nonaligned because it was
added later and the patcher just never got around to cleaning the
campsite. I do that all the time, and have suffered for it more than once.

>Ps. is it only in holland that they start playing christmas songs in 
>supermarkets around the beginning of december?

It's after Hallowe'en here.
-- 
on the floor there's a long wooden table/on the table there's an open book/
on the page there's a detailed drawing/and on the drawing is the name I took
Gregory Taylor http://www.rtqe.net


copy the code; open a new patch in max ; paste.

here is vade's patch with uyvy2argb colormode slab, it saves some cycles

> what I normally do is cut n past into text edit make it plain text and

> name it .pat is this right? Max window says "object dose not exist"

> I will have a go at OpenGL now I know there is a better way. Thought I had

> sussed it with jit.glue! It works is easy but now you have told me about a

> faster way I will have to explore that.

http://zappa.tvu.ac.uk/~crohumaa/CV/cv.php

copy the code; open a new patch in max ; paste.
here is vade's patch with uyvy2argb colormode slab, it saves some cycles

On 12/12/06, Carl Rohumaa  wrote:
>
>
> Thanks,
> Faster sounds good to me! but I can't open your patch :(
> what I normally do is cut n past into text edit make it plain text and
> name it .pat is this right? Max window says "object dose not exist"
>
> I will have a go at OpenGL now I know there is a better way. Thought I had
> sussed it with jit.glue! It works is easy but now you have told me about a
> faster way I will have to explore that.
>
> I am on a Mac
>
> Carl
> --
> Some links to my stuff n that :-)
> http://zappa.tvu.ac.uk/~crohumaa/CV/cv.php
>

Why use the slab when you can set the colormode of the texture to uyvy?

On Dec 12, 2006, at 12:43 PM, yair reshef wrote:

> copy the code; open a new patch in max ; paste.

> here is vade's patch with uyvy2argb colormode slab, it saves some 

> #P newex 660 127 134 9109513 jit.gl.slab v001 @file 

> #P newex 660 177 166 9109513 jit.gl.texture v001g @name movie4;

> #P newex 660 105 135 9109513 jit.qt.movie @colormode uyvy;

> #P newex 490 127 134 9109513 jit.gl.slab v001 @file 

> #P newex 490 177 166 9109513 jit.gl.texture v001g @name movie3;

> #P newex 490 105 135 9109513 jit.qt.movie @colormode uyvy;

> #P newex 319 127 134 9109513 jit.gl.slab v001 @file 

> #P newex 319 177 166 9109513 jit.gl.texture v001g @name movie2;

> #P newex 319 105 135 9109513 jit.qt.movie @colormode uyvy;

> #P newex 149 127 134 9109513 jit.gl.slab v001 @file 

> #P newex 5 203 85 9109513 jit.window v001g;

> #P newex 4 172 92 9109513 jit.gl.render v001g;

> #P newex 149 177 166 9109513 jit.gl.texture v001g @name movie1;

> #P newex 149 105 135 9109513 jit.qt.movie @colormode uyvy;

> #P message 167 318 196 9109513 texture movie4 , position 0.5 -0.5 

> #P message 181 296 201 9109513 texture movie3 , position -0.5 -0.5 

> copy the code; open a new patch in max ; paste.
> here is vade's patch with uyvy2argb colormode slab, it saves some  
> cycles
>
> and i aligned the cords.
> max v2;
> #N vpatcher 137 390 1067 917;
> #P origin -688 -177;
> #P button 400 60 15 0;
> #P window setfont "Sans Serif" 9.;
> #P window linecount 3;
> #P newex 660 127 134 9109513 jit.gl.slab v001 @file  
> cc.uyvy2rgba.jxs @dimscale 2. 1.;
> #B color 5;
> #P window linecount 1;
> #P message 665 87 30 9109513 read;
> #P newex 660 177 166 9109513 jit.gl.texture v001g @name movie4;
> #P newex 660 105 135 9109513 jit.qt.movie @colormode uyvy;
> #P window linecount 3;
> #P newex 490 127 134 9109513 jit.gl.slab v001 @file  
> cc.uyvy2rgba.jxs @dimscale 2. 1.;
> #B color 5;
> #P window linecount 1;
> #P message 499 88 30 9109513 read;
> #P newex 490 177 166 9109513 jit.gl.texture v001g @name movie3;
> #P newex 490 105 135 9109513 jit.qt.movie @colormode uyvy;
> #P window linecount 3;
> #P newex 319 127 134 9109513 jit.gl.slab v001 @file  
> cc.uyvy2rgba.jxs @dimscale 2. 1.;
> #B color 5;
> #P window linecount 1;
> #P message 328 87 30 9109513 read;
> #P newex 319 177 166 9109513 jit.gl.texture v001g @name movie2;
> #P newex 319 105 135 9109513 jit.qt.movie @colormode uyvy;
> #P window linecount 3;
> #P newex 149 127 134 9109513 jit.gl.slab v001 @file  
> cc.uyvy2rgba.jxs @dimscale 2. 1.;
> #B color 5;
> #P window linecount 1;
> #P message 162 86 30 9109513 read;
> #P newex 5 203 85 9109513 jit.window v001g;
> #P toggle 4 22 15 0;
> #P newex 4 172 92 9109513 jit.gl.render v001g;
> #P newex 149 177 166 9109513 jit.gl.texture v001g @name movie1;
> #P newex 149 105 135 9109513 jit.qt.movie @colormode uyvy;
> #P newex 4 121 58 9109513 t b b erase;
> #P newex 4 50 51 9109513 qmetro 2;
> #P message 167 318 196 9109513 texture movie4 , position 0.5 -0.5  
> 0 , bang;
> #P message 181 296 201 9109513 texture movie3 , position -0.5 -0.5  
> 0 , bang;
> #P message 195 274 196 9109513 texture movie2 , position -0.5 0.5  
> 0 , bang;
> #P message 209 252 191 9109513 texture movie1 , position 0.5 0.5 0  
> , bang;
> #P newex 167 223 53 9109513 t b b b b;
> #P window linecount 2;
> #P newex 292 344 325 9109513 jit.gl.videoplane v001g @scale 1. 1.  
> 1. @depth_enable 0 @blend_enable 1 @automatic 0 @dim 2 2 @scale 0.5  
> 0.5 0.5 @depth_enable 0;
> #P connect 11 0 6 0;
> #P connect 6 0 7 0;
> #P connect 7 0 10 0;
> #P connect 7 2 10 0;
> #P fasten 6 0 8 0 9 87 154 87;
> #P connect 13 0 8 0;
> #P connect 8 0 14 0;
> #P connect 14 0 9 0;
> #P connect 27 0 13 0;
> #P connect 7 1 1 0;
> #P connect 1 0 5 0;
> #P connect 1 1 4 0;
> #P connect 1 2 3 0;
> #P connect 1 3 2 0;
> #P connect 5 0 0 0;
> #P connect 4 0 0 0;
> #P connect 2 0 0 0;
> #P connect 3 0 0 0;
> #P fasten 6 0 15 0 9 87 324 87;
> #P connect 17 0 15 0;
> #P connect 15 0 18 0;
> #P connect 18 0 16 0;
> #P connect 27 0 17 0;
> #P fasten 6 0 19 0 9 87 495 87;
> #P connect 21 0 19 0;
> #P connect 19 0 22 0;
> #P connect 22 0 20 0;
> #P connect 27 0 21 0;
> #P fasten 6 0 23 0 9 87 665 87;
> #P connect 25 0 23 0;
> #P connect 23 0 26 0;
> #P connect 26 0 24 0;
> #P connect 27 0 25 0;
> #P pop;
>
>
> On 12/12/06, Carl Rohumaa  wrote:
>
> Thanks,
> Faster sounds good to me! but I can't open your patch :(
> what I normally do is cut n past into text edit make it plain text  
> and name it .pat is this right? Max window says "object dose not  
> exist"
>
> I will have a go at OpenGL now I know there is a better way.  
> Thought I had sussed it with jit.glue! It works is easy but now you  
> have told me about a faster way I will have to explore that.
>
> I am on a Mac
>
> Carl
> --
> Some links to my stuff n that :-) http://zappa.tvu.ac.uk/~crohumaa/ 
> CV/cv.php
>

On Dec 12, 2006, at 10:32 AM, vade wrote:

> Why use the slab when you can set the colormode of the texture to 

Faster on XP. XP drivers don't support a uyvy texture datatype as 

they do on OS X, so the conversion is done on the CPU for 

jit.gl.texture under XP. Using a shader in this fashion is also more 

flexible, with color correction, chroma smoothing, and anything else 

you want to add to the shader "for free" on both platforms.

> Why use the slab when you can set the colormode of the texture to  
> uyvy?

Faster on XP. XP drivers don't support a uyvy texture datatype as  
they do on OS X, so the conversion is done on the CPU for  
jit.gl.texture under XP. Using a shader in this fashion is also more  
flexible, with color correction, chroma smoothing, and anything else  
you want to add to the shader "for free" on both platforms.

Oh XP, how you always throw a wrench at me. Thats good to know, as I 

would have hit a brickwall on this in a few days when I move some 

Does this shader manage the 16-235 to 0 255 chroma shift from YUV to 

On Dec 12, 2006, at 1:44 PM, Joshua Kit Clayton wrote:

> On Dec 12, 2006, at 10:32 AM, vade wrote:

>> Why use the slab when you can set the colormode of the texture to 

> Faster on XP. XP drivers don't support a uyvy texture datatype as 

> they do on OS X, so the conversion is done on the CPU for 

> jit.gl.texture under XP. Using a shader in this fashion is also 

> more flexible, with color correction, chroma smoothing, and 

> anything else you want to add to the shader "for free" on both 

Oh XP, how you always throw a wrench at me. Thats good to know, as I  
would have hit a brickwall on this in a few days when I move some  
things to XP. Thanks.

Does this shader manage the 16-235 to 0 255 chroma shift from YUV to  
ARGB?

>
> On Dec 12, 2006, at 10:32 AM, vade wrote:
>
>> Why use the slab when you can set the colormode of the texture to  
>> uyvy?
>
> Faster on XP. XP drivers don't support a uyvy texture datatype as  
> they do on OS X, so the conversion is done on the CPU for  
> jit.gl.texture under XP. Using a shader in this fashion is also  
> more flexible, with color correction, chroma smoothing, and  
> anything else you want to add to the shader "for free" on both  
> platforms.
>
> -Joshua
>
>

Just soaking all this up, thanks for such a generous thread. I don't get this treatment on the QC dev list! ;) I will try Vades original patch as I am on a Mac right?

Do straight patch chords make the patch go faster? ;)

Seriously though as this is my second attempt at learning MAX (after a rest of a year) this time with jitter I am sub patch crazy. I am putting every little nugget in a sub patch, is this the way forward or dose sub patching too much cost cpu cycles?

Just soaking all this up, thanks for such a generous thread. I don't get this treatment on the QC dev list! ;) I will try Vades original patch as I am on a Mac right? 

Do straight patch chords make the patch go faster? ;) 

Seriously though as this is my second attempt at learning MAX (after a rest of a year) this time with jitter I am sub patch crazy. I am putting every little nugget in a sub patch, is this the way forward or dose sub patching too much cost cpu cycles?


This is purely a matter of personal style.

Some people like encapsulation of their various modules, others like to 

This is purely a matter of personal style.
Some people like encapsulation of their various modules, others like to 
see it all on one page.

On Dec 12, 2006, at 11:00 AM, vade wrote:

> Does this shader manage the 16-235 to 0 255 chroma shift from YUV 

Just peek inside cc.uyvy2rgba.jxs and the exp and lite variants. 

They're pretty well commented, and have lots of tweakable controls 

for getting just the color correction you'd like to see.

> Does this shader manage the 16-235 to 0 255 chroma shift from YUV  
> to ARGB?

Just peek inside cc.uyvy2rgba.jxs and the exp and lite variants.  
They're pretty well commented, and have lots of tweakable controls  
for getting just the color correction you'd like to see.

Quote: yair r. wrote on Tue, 12 December 2006 18:43

Noooo nononono! All wrong!! This is how it should be!

Quote: yair r. wrote on Tue, 12 December 2006 18:43
----------------------------------------------------
> and i aligned the cords.

Is this the same patch with just the cables tidied? Anyway all I get is a white screen. I only have a Mac to try it on. What is different?

Quote: CarlR wrote on Wed, 13 December 2006 12:58

> Is this the same patch with just the cables tidied? Anyway all I get is a white screen. I only have a Mac to try it on. What is different?

Yeah, it's the same patch. White screen? If you paste the text into a patcher window? Are you sure you copied the text correctly?

Quote: CarlR wrote on Wed, 13 December 2006 12:58
----------------------------------------------------
> Is this the same patch with just the cables tidied? Anyway all I get is a white screen. I only have a Mac to try it on. What is different? 

Yeah, it's the same patch. White screen? If you paste the text into a patcher window? Are you sure you copied the text correctly? 

still no luck with this. Vades original patch works fine, I quit open up the tidied version and I get a black (not white) screen after loading the movs.

sometimes the patch is pasted with an offset, scroll the patch bars left and

as for tiding i have seen nesa use this and i like

> Quote: CarlR wrote on Wed, 13 December 2006 12:58

> > Is this the same patch with just the cables tidied? Anyway all I get is

> a white screen. I only have a Mac to try it on. What is different?

> Yeah, it's the same patch. White screen? If you paste the text into a

> patcher window? Are you sure you copied the text correctly?

sometimes the patch is pasted with an offset, scroll the patch bars left and
up.
as for tiding i have seen nesa use this and i like


On 12/13/06, Mattijs Kneppers  wrote:
>
>
> Quote: CarlR wrote on Wed, 13 December 2006 12:58
> ----------------------------------------------------
> > Is this the same patch with just the cables tidied? Anyway all I get is
> a white screen. I only have a Mac to try it on. What is different?
>
> Yeah, it's the same patch. White screen? If you paste the text into a
> patcher window? Are you sure you copied the text correctly?
>
> I'm on a mac too.
>
>
> --
> SmadSteck - http://www.smadsteck.nl
> Interactive audiovisual sampling soft- and hardware
>
>

Quote: yair r. wrote on Wed, 13 December 2006 13:25

> as for tiding i have seen nesa use this and i like

Yeah, this is even better from an educational point of view. I started doing this at first (I did quite some courses involving basic computer logic gate schemes at the technical university in Delft), but in max it is not something you're going to hold on to. It takes too much time.

Quote: yair r. wrote on Wed, 13 December 2006 13:25
----------------------------------------------------
> as for tiding i have seen nesa use this and i like

So....can you explain this picture attached? So its ok to patch like this if you are C74? ;)))))))

kind of looks like jeremy b's patchwork. ;)

you could tell if it was luke's, because the image would be 5000 

On Dec 13, 2006, at 4:29 PM, Carl Rohumaa wrote:

> So....can you explain this picture attached? So its ok to patch 

kind of looks like jeremy b's patchwork.  ;)

you could tell if it was luke's, because the image would be 5000  
pixels across.

> So....can you explain this picture attached? So its ok to patch  
> like this if you are C74? ;)))))))
> --
> Some links to my stuff n that :-) http://zappa.tvu.ac.uk/~crohumaa/ 
> CV/cv.php
>


four videos into one full screen