I’m building this interface that looks similar to what “perspective view”

would be in a 3d modelling application. Its basically a horizontal grid

plane with a collection of shapes/models sitting on top. Now I’d like

implement the same mouse interfacing as a regular 3d app, were you can click

and drag on the screen to move the camera viewpoint in relation to the

complete scene.

I started by putting a jit.gl.handle in the middle, but that’s as far as I

got. It outputs axis/rotation. How can I convert that to the xyz position of

the camera? Or is this not the way to go?

cheers,

-thijs

]]>2006/10/18, Thijs Koerselman

>

> Hi,

>

> I’m building this interface that looks similar to what “perspective view”

> would be in a 3d modelling application. Its basically a horizontal grid

> plane with a collection of shapes/models sitting on top. Now I’d like

> implement the same mouse interfacing as a regular 3d app, were you can click

> and drag on the screen to move the camera viewpoint in relation to the

> complete scene.

>

> I started by putting a jit.gl.handle in the middle, but that’s as far as I

> got. It outputs axis/rotation. How can I convert that to the xyz position of

> the camera? Or is this not the way to go?

>

> cheers,

>

> -thijs

>

>

>

>

position which handle outputs, take a look at the opengl docs about

the structure of the modelview matrix. It has the basic form:

[R R R T]

[R R R T]

[R R R T]

[0 0 0 1]

where R is rotation and T is translation. the 3×3 rotation matrix can

be calculateed from the axis/angle representation. Note also that

along the diagonal of the 3×3 R matrix are the glScale parameters, but

you probably don’t need to worry about this. To find a point given

this matrix, do M*p = p’ where M is the matrix above, p is your point

and p’ is your new point. Anyway, you might not need to go here, just

thought I’d mention it since you asked.

wes

On 10/18/06, Thijs Koerselman

> Hi,

>

> I’m building this interface that looks similar to what “perspective view”

> would be in a 3d modelling application. Its basically a horizontal grid

> plane with a collection of shapes/models sitting on top. Now I’d like

> implement the same mouse interfacing as a regular 3d app, were you can click

> and drag on the screen to move the camera viewpoint in relation to the

> complete scene.

>

> I started by putting a jit.gl.handle in the middle, but that’s as far as I

> got. It outputs axis/rotation. How can I convert that to the xyz position of

> the camera? Or is this not the way to go?

>

> cheers,

>

> -thijs

>

>

>

>

>

> i think vade posted a patch like this, search around

>

>

I found the patch, but it’s not what I’m looking for. Vade’s patch has 4

fixed camera settings and some breakpoint functions to move the camera

around. I’m looking for one viewport with a mouse interface similar to using

an objects with a gl.handle. Only I want to move around the camera instead

of one object.

-thijs

]]>to read through the docs and see if I can figure it out, but for now I have

no clue. It would be great though if I could finally understand these matrix

calculations, cause I seem to keep running into them.

-thijs

On 10/18/06, Wesley Smith

>

> If you want to know where an object is given axis/rotation and

> position which handle outputs, take a look at the opengl docs about

> the structure of the modelview matrix. It has the basic form:

>

> [R R R T]

> [R R R T]

> [R R R T]

> [0 0 0 1]

>

> where R is rotation and T is translation. the 3×3 rotation matrix can

> be calculateed from the axis/angle representation. Note also that

> along the diagonal of the 3×3 R matrix are the glScale parameters, but

> you probably don’t need to worry about this. To find a point given

> this matrix, do M*p = p’ where M is the matrix above, p is your point

> and p’ is your new point. Anyway, you might not need to go here, just

> thought I’d mention it since you asked.

>

>

>

heading Three Dimensions is the equation M(v, theta) that shows the

equation for converting from axis/angle to a 3×3 rot matrix.

wes

On 10/18/06, Thijs Koerselman

> Thanks Wes, but this is exactly where my math knowledge is lacking. I’ll try

> to read through the docs and see if I can figure it out, but for now I have

> no clue. It would be great though if I could finally understand these matrix

> calculations, cause I seem to keep running into them.

>

> -thijs

>

>

>

>

> On 10/18/06, Wesley Smith

> > If you want to know where an object is given axis/rotation and

> > position which handle outputs, take a look at the opengl docs about

> > the structure of the modelview matrix. It has the basic form:

> >

> > [R R R T]

> > [R R R T]

> > [R R R T]

> > [0 0 0 1]

> >

> > where R is rotation and T is translation. the 3×3 rotation matrix can

> > be calculateed from the axis/angle representation. Note also that

> > along the diagonal of the 3×3 R matrix are the glScale parameters, but

> > you probably don’t need to worry about this. To find a point given

> > this matrix, do M*p = p’ where M is the matrix above, p is your point

> > and p’ is your new point. Anyway, you might not need to go here, just

> > thought I’d mention it since you asked.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

however, here is a patch I use to rotate/move the objects in my

patch, based off of a second jit.gl.handle/render system, so you even

have a preview of where things are.

I removed some other crap I had in the patch, but you can add

position/rotation controls as messages to jit.gl.handle in the

subpatcher, as well as name the pwindow/renderer #1_handle or

somesuch so it can be resused

#P user jit.pwindow 29 33 100 73 1 0 0 0 1 1;

#X name handle;

#P objectname $1_camera;

#P hidden outlet 248 352 15 0;

#P window setfont “Sans Serif” 9.;

#P window linecount 1;

#P hidden newex 389 374 34 196617 t 750;

#P hidden newex 389 355 61 196617 mousefilter;

#P hidden newex 452 355 27 196617 t 30;

#P hidden newex 450 49 55 196617 loadbang;

#P hidden message 502 156 313 196617 reset , color 0.5 0.5 0.5 1. ,

poly_mode 1 1 , shapeslice 5 , plane 0.8;

#P hidden newex 502 206 95 196617 jit.gl.sketch handle;

#P window linecount 2;

#P hidden newex 248 308 256 196617 jit.gl.handle handle @visible 1

@auto_rotate 1 @radius 2 @rgb_axes 0 @tracking 0.3 @inherit_transform 1;

#P window linecount 1;

#P hidden newex 350 394 49 196617 qlim 500;

#P hidden newex 367 435 401 196617 jit.gl.render handle @camera 0. 0.

3. @erase_color 1 1 1 1 @two_sided 0 @antialias 1;

#P hidden newex 367 413 49 196617 t b erase;

#P comment 67 354 174 196617 out to other GL objects to be rotated;

#P hidden connect 6 0 5 0;

#P hidden connect 7 0 3 0;

#P hidden connect 7 0 10 0;

#P hidden connect 7 0 6 0;

#P hidden connect 12 1 9 0;

#P hidden connect 12 1 8 0;

#P hidden fasten 8 0 3 1 457 392 394 392;

#P hidden connect 10 0 3 1;

#P hidden connect 9 0 10 0;

#P hidden fasten 3 0 1 0 355 412 372 412;

#P hidden fasten 3 0 2 0 355 432 372 432;

#P hidden connect 1 0 2 0;

#P hidden fasten 1 1 2 0 411 433 372 433;

#P hidden connect 4 0 11 0;

#P hidden connect 4 0 3 0;

#P window clipboard copycount 13;

If you move the main camera system, make sure to use an

inherit_transform 1, otherwise things get wonky.

v a d e //

http://www.vade.info

abstrakt.vade.info

On Oct 18, 2006, at 9:37 AM, Thijs Koerselman wrote:

>

> On 10/18/06, yair reshef

> i think vade posted a patch like this, search around

>

>

> I found the patch, but it’s not what I’m looking for. Vade’s patch

> has 4 fixed camera settings and some breakpoint functions to move

> the camera around. I’m looking for one viewport with a mouse

> interface similar to using an objects with a gl.handle. Only I want

> to move around the camera instead of one object.

>

> -thijs

>

out some hacks to re-use the jitter objects that have this already

coded (see the patch I posted above).

What might be helpful are these paches Pelado posted a while back

http://www.pelado.co.uk/?cat=4

very nicely done.

v a d e //

http://www.vade.info

abstrakt.vade.info

On Oct 18, 2006, at 11:59 AM, Wesley Smith wrote:

> Well, check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotation_matrix Under the

> heading Three Dimensions is the equation M(v, theta) that shows the

> equation for converting from axis/angle to a 3×3 rot matrix.

>

> wes

>

> On 10/18/06, Thijs Koerselman

>> Thanks Wes, but this is exactly where my math knowledge is

>> lacking. I’ll try

>> to read through the docs and see if I can figure it out, but for

>> now I have

>> no clue. It would be great though if I could finally understand

>> these matrix

>> calculations, cause I seem to keep running into them.

>>

>> -thijs

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> On 10/18/06, Wesley Smith

>> > If you want to know where an object is given axis/rotation and

>> > position which handle outputs, take a look at the opengl docs about

>> > the structure of the modelview matrix. It has the basic form:

>> >

>> > [R R R T]

>> > [R R R T]

>> > [R R R T]

>> > [0 0 0 1]

>> >

>> > where R is rotation and T is translation. the 3×3 rotation

>> matrix can

>> > be calculateed from the axis/angle representation. Note also that

>> > along the diagonal of the 3×3 R matrix are the glScale

>> parameters, but

>> > you probably don’t need to worry about this. To find a point given

>> > this matrix, do M*p = p’ where M is the matrix above, p is your

>> point

>> > and p’ is your new point. Anyway, you might not need to go

>> here, just

>> > thought I’d mention it since you asked.

>> >

>> >

>> >

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

> hehe, I try to avoid that sort of math as much as possible and figure out

> some hacks to re-use the jitter objects that have this already coded (see

> the patch I posted above).

> What might be helpful are these paches Pelado posted a while back

>

> http://www.pelado.co.uk/?cat=4

>

> very nicely done.

>

I figured it out. I was a lot easier than I thought, but the patches were an

eyeopener. For now I only need a handle to the render context with

@inherit_transform 1. I’ll look into matrix calculations later on. For now

I’m all set. Thanks a lot everyone.

cheers,

-thijs

you could investigate the handy matrix functions in Jitter3Dutils.js.

-Randy

On Oct 18, 2006, at 11:08 AM, Thijs Koerselman wrote:

>

> On 10/18/06, vade

> hehe, I try to avoid that sort of math as much as possible and

> figure out some hacks to re-use the jitter objects that have this

> already coded (see the patch I posted above).

>

> What might be helpful are these paches Pelado posted a while back

>

> http://www.pelado.co.uk/?cat=4

>

> very nicely done.

>

>

> I figured it out. I was a lot easier than I thought, but the

> patches were an eyeopener. For now I only need a handle to the

> render context with @inherit_transform 1. I’ll look into matrix

> calculations later on. For now I’m all set. Thanks a lot everyone.

>

> cheers,

> -thijs

>

>

>

>

>

>

> If you get stuck again, and you don’t mind using a little Javascript,

> you could investigate the handy matrix functions in Jitter3Dutils.js.

>

> -Randy

Thanks for the tip. I do most of my jittering in js lately so thats only a

plus :-)

best, -thijs

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