glitch – where now?
Sep 16, 2007 at 1:31am
glitch – where now?
All of us on this forum ( at least most) came to max/msp because it had
hope that is not too off topic. the way i see it you all are on the cutting
just as an example ( not self promotion)
Sep 16, 2007 at 1:33am
sorry, it’s myspace.com/eightyface
Sep 16, 2007 at 4:38am
Quote: prestonandbully@gmail wrote on Sat, 15 September 2007 18:31
> ” whats next in the world of
Sorry to state the obvious, but the next thing would be to get back to your quest for knowledge and your experiments. Either that or wait for someone else to figure out the “next thing” and then you can use that until it gets stale too.
It’s kind of funny, I actually started using Max specifically for the problem you are talking about. Every time I’ve used someone else’s audio software for a while, I’ve found I was making a particular sound that the software enabled me to make. Most of the music making revolved around exploring the limited sonic universe provided by the software. I have never felt like I can take an idea in my head and turn it into an audio file – it always gets mangled by the software in the process.
So I try to build most of my own stuff from scratch in Max and avoid other people’s patches/externals for the most part (I definitely like playing with them to get ideas though). Maybe I am following a naive ideal, but I am enjoying my experiments and I believe it will all pay off one day.
Nice song on myspace BTW
Sep 16, 2007 at 7:15am
Where to now? Thats up to you.
I’m going to have to agree with adam on this one. You can be one of the guys that puts out music with Aphex Twin/Squarepusher sounds… or you can put out music with YOUR sounds. It really all depends on the amount of effort you want to put in.
You might have found that it was quicker/easier to make music using some pre-built plugins. But there is a reason for that- a lot of work was done for you, and you are harnessing something else’s ideas.
If you’ve read the computer music tutorial,then you know most of the fundamentals, you should really be able to explore from that.
If you really need a starting point.. try to make your own version of the glitch plugin in max. I’ve never used it so i dont even know what it does, but you should be able to come up with something similar.
Once you’ve done that, you can modify and expand on that idea as much as you want. This should lead to something new and exciting for you.
Sep 16, 2007 at 8:37am
to reiterate, if your going for aphex/squarepusher sounds to begin with, then your whole concept is trying to do something thats been done. There are tons of people imitating aphex, squarepusher, and autechre in their own way. I think that happens with any genera, your going to end up with originators and followers, and the scene over time fills up with repetitive followers. None of the mentioned artists use “glitch” or any other similar plugin, they use either custom made max/reaktor/kyma patches, or work with whatever other software or synth they are using in a unique experimental way. Nobody can tell you how to be experimental, or where to start on finding your own sound.
Now this isn’t to trash talk trying to be like mentioned artists, it is part of the learning process, but the only way to move on is to start studying other people that you like and merge their styles. Squarepusher studied experimental, freejazz and fusion, and thats how he came up with his style of fusion electronic. Maybe start listening to something else and trying to incorporate that inspiration into what your doing while still keeping a hard edge experimental nature.
Im sure there are other artists of notability that started their career sounding like someone else, and gradually developed their own style.
Stop using glitch! Study some music theory (its so essential to making good music) start playing with other softwares or making your own max patches,
in the end, theres only so much originality to be had. Im not sure its even something you can be conscious about. I can recall a very specific notable experience in this realm. My good friend Jimmy Edgar, back in 2001 was making experimental electronic, and analyzing and reproducing Richard Devine, Prefuse 73 and Alva Noto style stuff. It was only when warp contacted him and expressed interest in his music that he realized he needed to do something unique to stand out. A few weeks later he wrote “I wanna be your STD” telling me something to the nature of “I wanted to create future RNB music” Its that simple, he didn’t sit there contemplating for months on end, he just did it. Theres a select few people who get so lucky. I guess just do what comes naturally and if you make it, you make it.
(if your a JE fan, his next album is coming out insanely awesome, it has so much more soul, emotion, chopped up detail, and everything else I love about music)
Sep 16, 2007 at 9:25am
i don’t like dblue’s Glitch’s interface.
one very important reason why i study max (as well as Java language)is that it lets me focus on “fundamentals”.
even though i can’t have immediate results, like “tweaking this konb and it sounds better!”, i think it’s worth to do very simple things on my own, to understand the “nature” of what i’m doing.
and i’m sure that it will pay off one day, maybe as “the next thing” if you want.
Sep 16, 2007 at 12:02pm
I remember being impressed when I first heard dBlue’s Glitch, and
Anyway, because of the lack of a Mac version of dBlue’s plug, I
Of course, now I have the advantage of having my plug built in
Anyway, my point is that the presence of something on the market that
Sep 16, 2007 at 5:46pm
Sep 16, 2007 at 6:35pm
Nothing is original, all have been done before. It is all
My personal basic theory: Persestince & Passion is the
Just do your thing, don’t worry about anyone else, all
That’s my 2cents, hope it helps.
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Sep 16, 2007 at 8:33pm
> Styles tend to not only separate men – because they have their own doctrines
That’s a great quote that I’ve often tried to get people interested in
Sorry for that rant,
Sep 16, 2007 at 8:46pm
well said :)
On Sep 16, 2007, at 4:33 PM, keith manlove wrote:
>> Styles tend to not only separate men – because they have their own
v a d e //
Sep 16, 2007 at 11:06pm
It is not so much a matter of style as it is a question of attitude.
On 16 Sep 2007, at 21:46, vade wrote:
> well said :)
Sep 17, 2007 at 12:29am
a favorite quote on the jitter list.
“Video was the most shared, the most democratic art form . . . Everybody
On 9/16/07, peiman khosravi
> It is not so much a matter of style as it is a question of attitude. In
> general, attitude towards sound, and in particular, attitude
> towards organized sound. Composers don’t really speak about style, they talk
> about their philosophy and attitude towards organizing and perceiving sonic
> structures. Style is something we mention when classifying other composers’
> works, such classification is often more succesfull when referring to other
> periods than that of our own. It is only a word that doesn’t really mean
> anything, but it is helpful when organizing works in a museum.
> On 16 Sep 2007, at 21:46, vade wrote:
> well said :)
> On Sep 16, 2007, at 4:33 PM, keith manlove wrote:
> Styles tend to not only separate men – because they have their own
> and then the doctrine became the gospel truth that you cannot change. But
> you do not have a style, if you just say: Well, here I am as a human
> how can I express myself totally and completely? Now, that way you won’t
> create a style, because style is a crystallization. That way, it’s a
> of continuing growth.
> That’s a great quote that I’ve often tried to get people interested in
> and talking about, but it rarely gets the same reaction that I had
> when I first read it. Fact of the mater is, we may have not get new
> ‘styles’ (which is fine by me), but that by no means that the
> expression of human experience has a limit. The possibile death of
> style shouldn’t mean something as tragic as the end of history or that
> we’re going to be doing the same stuff over and over; it should mean
> that we free now.
> Sorry for that rant,
> *v a d e //*
Sep 17, 2007 at 4:19am
Joel Swensen schrieb:
It’s not the question “what’s next” in terms of searching for an
Listening to your music, I would recommend that you listen to completely
I liked your music by the way, but I listen rarely enough to that style
Next for you could be to make your own glitch in Max, because then you
> hope that is not too off topic. the way i see it you all are on the
This is the most on topic kind of question… Just talking about
Sep 17, 2007 at 5:13pm
Software is a tool. Chaining a bunch of plugins together to make a nice effect is no different to chaining a bunch of MSP objects together. It’s more a question of which process you want to get deeply involved with.
I think it’s interesting how people develop a popular sound everybody loves and then when the world finds out they are like damn that sound to hell. I’m thinking it appears electronic music is started to head more towards focusing on composition and the song writing process which is reassuring…. ultimately to me it is emotion within a song that makes it yummy.
Sep 17, 2007 at 5:39pm
I agree, there’s nothing wrong with using glitch, if you find the right balance e.g. not using it just because it sounds good. If you’re thinking of a certain sound that could be fairly unique to this plug-in then use it, thats what its for! As long as its done creativly then it doesn’t matter if a few ‘glitch’ users recognize the sound, if its done well enough they will enjoy the music and forget about the process involved.
I agree with the people who say there’s no point in building something thats already been done, that is if you’re in a DAW and you’re looking to use a conventional plug-in in a conventional way. Programmers get paid and their plug-ins sell because they’re really good at what they do! (most of the time :/ )
If you’re looking to do something outside the ‘normal’ sphere or have an idea thats not available to you, thats where max comes in, and that is the beauty of the software!
Sep 17, 2007 at 7:58pm
Personally, I like to think of different software and plugins as different instruments. That frees me from worrying about using the same specific tool(s) as someone else and allows me to focus on making my own music with those tools.
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