dimitris108

I think that Cycling 74 has done something good but it should have been open to all platform like Reaktor.

I dont understand that we have to use Ableton Live and why Cycling74 chose that. Max is such an advance program I dont think that goes along with Albeton.

First of all Ableton Live does not have score so it is not an academic or for composers program. For looping is maybe the best out there.

In essence we are talking about an academic and a dance looping program together ...

good-movement-but-it-should-have-been-open-like-reaktor

do you want pluggo back or something? what is your alternative?

i've actually not used ableton, but i'm confident its not just a looping program, and as for academia, the further away from that the better!

Well, my take on this is that with M4L, if you need Live to have scoring functionality (or whatever else), you can extend the host - make your own!

I can understand the frustration of some who don't own Live, as no DAW is the best for everything - and as someone who has used Pro Tools/Logic etc. for years, I find some of the audio editing functionality fiddly and occasionally inadequate.

But the advantage over using something like Reaktor in various DAWs is that the functionality of the host is not modifiable by the software. This is where Max for Live (as far as I know) is unique - the exclusive integration allows for the environment itself to be modified by the editing platform - in this way, it is far more powerful than a universal format solution.

Furthermore, I can't imagine any of the other major commercial music software developers collaborating with Cycling '74 on such a project.

 I can understand the frustration of some who don't own Live, as no DAW is the best for everything - and as someone who has used Pro Tools/Logic etc. for years, I find some of the audio editing functionality fiddly and occasionally inadequate.

 But the advantage over using something like Reaktor in various DAWs is that the functionality of the host is not modifiable by the software. This is where Max for Live (as far as I know) is unique - the exclusive integration allows for the environment itself to be modified by the editing platform - in this way, it is far more powerful than a universal format solution.

  Furthermore, I can't imagine any of the other major commercial music software developers collaborating with Cycling '74 on such a project.


With Max for Live you can control Live in some very creative ways.

With Reakton one cannot control the hosted DAWs.

With Max for Live you can control Live in some very creative ways.
With Reakton one cannot control the hosted DAWs.


the only thing I would like to add isn't about reaktor, but about this POWERFUL max/msp/jitter constrainted by the hosting inside live.

what about sysex? what about multiple-midichannel operations?

ok, some would write: they are many workaround.

but natively, it SHOULD be handled (my list isn't exhaustive, of course )

btw, long live to this big collaborative work between C74 and Ableton !!

what about sysex? what about multiple-midichannel operations?
ok, some would write: they are many workaround.
right.
but natively, it SHOULD be handled (my list isn't exhaustive, of course )

btw, long live to this big collaborative work between C74 and Ableton !!


Live is the only one that does not have score I guess you dont care about it.

if scoring is that important to your workflow, then why dont you score in Logic and export as midi. you may even look into rewire as an option...

on a slight tangent, but i always wonder how to score automation of hundreds of params without turning sheet music into a solid black bar. xenakis & co spring to mind...

if scoring is that important to your workflow, then why dont you score in Logic and export as midi. you may even look into rewire as an option... 

on a slight tangent, but i always wonder how to score automation of hundreds of params without turning sheet music into a solid black bar. xenakis & co spring to mind...


protofuse wrote on Thu, 05 November 2009 22:30

we wrote a little workaround for the handle of midi message from & to 16 midi-channels even if live limitation is channel 1.

http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=128795&start=0

protofuse wrote on Thu, 05 November 2009 22:30the only thing I would like to add isn't about reaktor, but about this POWERFUL max/msp/jitter constrainted by the hosting inside live.

it isn't elegant, it is a bit messy.
but it works!

it is there: http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=128795&start=0


Good movement but it should have been open like Reaktor