Nano59

when i run my guitar through the max and through overdrive the guitar sounds flat. How can i equalise this ?

when i run my guitar through the max and through overdrive the guitar sounds flat.  How can i equalise this ?


guitar-input-in-max

On 15 janv. 07, at 13:56, Toiletmuck wrote:

> when i run my guitar through the max and through overdrive the guitar 

What overdrive do you use? [overdrive~]? I could never get a sound as 

I may be obvious, but turning on overdrive in the Options menu won't 

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> when i run my guitar through the max and through overdrive the guitar 
> sounds flat.  How can i equalise this ?

What overdrive do you use? [overdrive~]? I could never get a sound as 
nice as an EH metal muff with MSP...

I may be obvious, but turning on overdrive in the Options menu won't 
add overdrive in the sound ;-)

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also, when using a guitar as input does the sound have to be sampled(recorded) before it can be manipulated etc?

>also, when using a guitar as input does the sound have to be 

>sampled(recorded) before it can be manipulated etc?

i use plug my bass in my computer since years, no need to record !!! 

>
>also, when using a guitar as input does the sound have to be 
>sampled(recorded) before it can be manipulated etc?

i use plug my bass in my computer since years, no need to record !!! 
(but you can, of course)

kasper
-- 
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noise, composition, bass, computer
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guitar->(preamp)->sound card->maxmsp's adc~

and then whatever you want to do to your sound

of course at the end -> dac~ -> sound card -> PA or amp

specifically, working the guitar to play reverse notes etc?

for guitars you need a Hi-Z Input on your Soundcard or mixer to get a better preguitarsound.

> specifically, working the guitar to play reverse notes etc?

The last poster was telling you what you need to do to

get an input signal into your patch. For this bit, you'll

need to spend some time in the tutorials and learn how

to actually program Max/MSP. Starting there would be a

good idea, because otherwise you'll have little or no 

ability to make any sense of whatever else you get. 

The last poster was telling you what you need to do to
get an input signal into your patch. For this bit, you'll
need to spend some time in the tutorials and learn how
to actually program Max/MSP. Starting there would be a
good idea, because otherwise you'll have little or no 
ability to make any sense of whatever else you get. 


yes i know how to do that, ive got the guitar running through it and i know how to manipulate the sound. the only problem i can see is that in order to reverse notes you need to sample the guitar then revese the playback.

yes i know how to do that, ive got the guitar running through it and i know how to manipulate the sound.  the only problem i can see is that in order to reverse notes you need to sample the guitar then revese the playback.


Are you using a preamp of any kind or using max for everything? As max is

slower than a direct signal, I find it unnerving to have all of my signal be

a few milliseconds behind; thus, I use a wet/dry paradigm at the board.

Also, Line 6 does a better job with Chebychev polynomials :)

This is all moot if you're trying to build an amp simulator. In that case,

roll off some lows (hipass set to 100-150Hz) and boost between 300-600Hz as

a starting point, but there is still a latency issue.

> when i run my guitar through the max and through overdrive the guitar

Are you using a preamp of any kind or using max for everything?  As max is
slower than a direct signal, I find it unnerving to have all of my signal be
a few milliseconds behind; thus, I use a wet/dry paradigm at the board.
Also, Line 6 does a better job with Chebychev polynomials  :)

This is all moot if you're trying to build an amp simulator.  In that case,
roll off some lows (hipass set to 100-150Hz) and boost between 300-600Hz as
a starting point, but there is still a latency issue.

On 1/15/07, Toiletmuck  wrote:
>
>
> when i run my guitar through the max and through overdrive the guitar
> sounds flat.  How can i equalise this ?
>

>roll off some lows (hipass set to 100-150Hz) and 

>boost between 300-600Hz as a starting point, but there is still a 

I never felt a problem with this, playing bassComputer since years

same goes with Guitar Rig - it might be because I use a RME card, but 

however a preamp is really needed, I agree

>roll off some lows (hipass set to 100-150Hz) and 
>boost between 300-600Hz as a starting point, but there is still a 
>latency issue.
>

same goes with Guitar Rig - it might be because I use a RME card, but 
i also used M-audio (and digi as well)

im using a mackie spike... and a novice at this program so could you explain that in a simpler way :D

>yes i know how to do that, ive got the guitar running through it and 

>i know how to manipulate the sound. the only problem i can see is 

>that in order to reverse notes you need to sample the guitar then 

i've done something like this years ago (never really used it) - if i 

remember well, it was 2 buffers - i was writing into them and reading 

not super easy but possible and still real time - so yes it is like 

>yes i know how to do that, ive got the guitar running through it and 
>i know how to manipulate the sound.  the only problem i can see is 
>that in order to reverse notes you need to sample the guitar then 
>revese the playback.

i've done something like this years ago (never really used it) - if i 
remember well, it was 2 buffers - i was writing into them and reading 
them altenatively...

not super easy but possible and still real time - so yes it is like 
"sampling" but not quite

is there any way of making a 'real time' pitchshifter

Quote: Nano59 wrote on Wed, 17 January 2007 21:57

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> is there any way of making a 'real time' pitchshifter

Have you tried "pitchshifting-playground.pat"?

I suggest to search for 'pitch shifter' and 'pitch shifting' at:

Otherwise, you could look for some plug-ins at:

If you're on Mac, "Octave Shifter" & "Diatonic Shifter":

Quote: Nano59 wrote on Wed, 17 January 2007 21:57
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> is there any way of making a 'real time' pitchshifter
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I suggest to search for 'pitch shifter' and 'pitch shifting' at:
http://www.maxobjects.com

Otherwise, you could look for some plug-ins at:
http://www.kvraudio.com/get.php

>> is there any way of making a 'real time' pitchshifter

Very good sound (fbinshift~ too), but not fast enough

> there is a granular synthesis approach... 

http://www.bekkoame.ne.jp/~nsakonda/maxpatch.html

Noisy for a guitar, like the "Frequency Shift" Pluggo.

The faster on Mac is "Diatonic Shifter" (AU only, freeware):

A musical rehearsal before a show (raw mix):

>> is there any way of making a 'real time' pitchshifter
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jmb wrote on Thu, 18 January 2007 02:08
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> did you try gizmo~ ?

Very good sound (fbinshift~ too), but not fast enough
when playing guitar.
(And I'm playing guitar too.)

> there is a granular synthesis approach... 
> http://www.bekkoame.ne.jp/~nsakonda/maxpatch.html

ive made a realtime sampler but the timing of the samples often goes astray, is there a way of synchronising them?

Nano59 wrote on Thu, 18 January 2007 14:35

> ive made a realtime sampler but the timing of the samples

> often goes astray, is there a way of synchronising them?

Could you drop a patch illustrating the prob?

PG (is a nice and strong English tea for this night ;-)

Nano59 wrote on Thu, 18 January 2007 14:35
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> another quick query:
>
> ive made a realtime sampler but the timing of the samples
> often goes astray, is there a way of synchronising them?
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Probably!
Could you drop a patch illustrating the prob?
(and some guitars around me)

Bye,
PG (is a nice and strong English tea for this night ;-)


also when i put my guitar through the patch there is a really horrible crackling sound over the top, anyway to reduce that?

Nano59 wrote on Fri, 19 January 2007 12:07

Prob, your patch is truncated, both onboard and email.

(from your X-mailer or from an upload in your web browser)

Nano59 wrote on Fri, 19 January 2007 12:07
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> thanks, i do like tea....

Prob, your patch is truncated, both onboard and email.
Could you post it as attachment?
(from your X-mailer or from an upload in your web browser)
Bye,
Philippe
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also, the input loop seems to have stopped working :/

+ is there a way to stop the crackling when patches run?

yeh if anyone could assist me in making a pitchshifter than works realtime with a guitar input, that'd be great. The one i have at the moment always has a slight delay :/

yeh if anyone could assist me in making a pitchshifter than works realtime with a guitar input, that'd be great.  The one i have at the moment always has a slight delay :/


maybe the shifter~
from
http://web.media.mit.edu/~tristan/
is faster.


On Jan 21, 2007, at 8:53 AM, Toiletmuck wrote:

> yeh if anyone could assist me in making a pitchshifter than works 

> realtime with a guitar input, that'd be great.

My granular toolkit has one. Look for [gran.pitch.live~]. URL below.

On Jan 21, 2007, at 8:53 AM, Toiletmuck wrote:
> yeh if anyone could assist me in making a pitchshifter than works  
> realtime with a guitar input, that'd be great.

My granular toolkit has one.  Look for [gran.pitch.live~].  URL below.

------
Nathan Wolek, PhD
nathan@lowkeydigitalstudio.com
http://www.lowkeydigitalstudio.com


Quote: nathan wolek wrote on Sun, 21 January 2007 07:59

> On Jan 21, 2007, at 8:53 AM, Toiletmuck wrote:

> > yeh if anyone could assist me in making a pitchshifter than works 

> > realtime with a guitar input, that'd be great.

> My granular toolkit has one. Look for [gran.pitch.live~]. URL below.

could you possible attach the patch file please, i downloaded the correct file off your site but i dont know which file is the correct one.

Quote: nathan wolek wrote on Sun, 21 January 2007 07:59
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> On Jan 21, 2007, at 8:53 AM, Toiletmuck wrote:
> > yeh if anyone could assist me in making a pitchshifter than works  
> > realtime with a guitar input, that'd be great.
>
> My granular toolkit has one.  Look for [gran.pitch.live~].  URL below.
>
> ------
> Nathan Wolek, PhD
> nathan@lowkeydigitalstudio.com
> http://www.lowkeydigitalstudio.com
>
>
>
>
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could you possible attach the patch file please, i downloaded the correct file off your site but i dont know which file is the correct one.


On Jan 21, 2007, at 10:04 PM, Toiletmuck wrote:

> could you possible attach the patch file please, i downloaded the 

> correct file off your site but i dont know which file is the 

If you are on the mac, the abstractions/readme/etc are only in the 

CFM version. I meant the UB download as an update for existing 

users. I need to update the download so that all are included. 

On Jan 21, 2007, at 10:04 PM, Toiletmuck wrote:
> could you possible attach the patch file please, i downloaded the  
> correct file off your site but i dont know which file is the  
> correct one.

If you are on the mac, the abstractions/readme/etc are only in the  
CFM version.  I meant the UB download as an update for existing  
users.  I need to update the download so that all are included.    
This is confusing too many people.

-------------------
Nathan Wolek, PhD --- nwolek@stetson.edu
Assistant Professor of Music Technology
Stetson University - DeLand, FL
http://www.nathanwolek.com

I would like to write a patch that does a walking jazz bass line. That is to

a patch that knows the chord structure and improvises notes that fall within

some mode that goes with the current chord. Does anyone have any

information or articles that could help me develop such a patch?

I would like to write a patch that does a walking jazz bass line. That is to
say,
a patch that knows the chord structure and improvises notes that fall within
some mode that goes with the current chord. Does anyone have any
information or articles that could help me develop such a patch?

We cover some similar concepts in a few of our classes, here are some 

http://music.columbia.edu/cmc/courses/g6610/fall2005/week3/index.html

http://music.columbia.edu/cmc/courses/g6610/fall2005/week6/index.html

http://music.columbia.edu/cmc/courses/g6610/week3/index.html

Also, John Clavin has realized some 'walking bass' algorithms in JSyn, 

it shouldn't be too hard to get into mxj:

I used to write about some of this stuff back in the olden days (like 

early 1990's), here's a short paper describing some of that work:

http://music.columbia.edu/~brad/writing/papes/performance_model.html

On Mon, 22 Jan 2007, Anthony Palomba wrote:

> I would like to write a patch that does a walking jazz bass line. That is to

> a patch that knows the chord structure and improvises notes that fall within

> some mode that goes with the current chord. Does anyone have any

> information or articles that could help me develop such a patch?

We cover some similar concepts in a few of our classes, here are some 
on-line links with basic patches, etc.:

 	http://music.columbia.edu/cmc/courses/g6610/fall2005/week3/index.html
 	http://music.columbia.edu/cmc/courses/g6610/fall2005/week6/index.html
 	http://music.columbia.edu/cmc/courses/g6610/week3/index.html

Also, John Clavin has realized some 'walking bass' algorithms in JSyn, 
it shouldn't be too hard to get into mxj:

I used to write about some of this stuff back in the olden days (like 
early 1990's), here's a short paper describing some of that work:

 	http://music.columbia.edu/~brad/writing/papes/performance_model.html

> I would like to write a patch that does a walking jazz bass line. That is to
> say,
> a patch that knows the chord structure and improvises notes that fall within
> some mode that goes with the current chord. Does anyone have any
> information or articles that could help me develop such a patch?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> Anthony
>
>


> also when i put my guitar through the patch there is a really

> horrible crackling sound over the top, anyway to reduce that?

Toiletmuck wrote:
> also when i put my guitar through the patch there is a really
> horrible crackling sound over the top, anyway to reduce that? 

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>> also when i put my guitar through the patch there is a really

>> horrible crackling sound over the top, anyway to reduce that?

>> also when i put my guitar through the patch there is a really
>> horrible crackling sound over the top, anyway to reduce that?
> turn down the volume (in the patch)...

how exactly do you mess with the volume, sorry im a bit of an idiot :S

On Jan 22, 2007, at 2:03 PM, Toiletmuck wrote:

> how exactly do you mess with the volume, sorry im a bit of an idiot :S

>
> how exactly do you mess with the volume, sorry im a bit of an idiot :S

*~ or gain~ or check your system preferences for input volume.

I didn't mean to make fun of a newbie sorry... just unavoidable 

*~   or gain~     or check your system preferences for input volume.

I didn't mean to make fun of a newbie sorry...  just unavoidable  
musician humor.

If you want to do reversing, I'd suggest using poly~.

Record into a buffer~ using record~ and loop mode 1, use fiddle~ /

threshold~ + edge~ to track note onsets and then play back the samples

backwards. For instance: a note on the guitar is played. Once the

note decays to a certain volume (or a new note is triggered), the

start and end points of the note are sent into a poly~ which plays

back the sample. (here's where you'd need line~ and %~ or pong~)

This way, you can have multiple reversing samples playing at once.

Also, if you want to cheat on the distortion modelling, etc. you can

Record into a buffer~ using record~ and loop mode 1, use fiddle~ /
threshold~ + edge~ to track note onsets and then play back the samples
backwards.  For instance:  a note on the guitar is played.  Once the
note decays to a certain volume (or a new note is triggered), the
start and end points of the note are sent into a poly~ which plays
back the sample.  (here's where you'd need line~ and %~ or pong~)

Also, if you want to cheat on the distortion modelling, etc. you can
always use a VST plugin...

Recording and delay are really the same things in terms of latency, so

while you technically are "sampling" the guitar, it's no more than

Also, some newer solid-state practice amps have a line-out. Defeat

the connection to the speaker by plugging a cable into the headphone

adapter, and you now have a silent amp that produces a distorted, etc.

tone. Needless to say, it would be an exceptionally bad idea to do

Also, you don't need a sound-card with a Hi-Z impedance input. Them's

Recording and delay are really the same things in terms of latency, so
while you technically are "sampling" the guitar, it's no more than
what you'd do with a digital delay.

Also, some newer solid-state practice amps have a line-out.  Defeat
the connection to the speaker by plugging a cable into the headphone
adapter, and you now have a silent amp that produces a distorted, etc.
tone.  Needless to say, it would be an exceptionally bad idea to do
this with a tube amp...bzzzzt.

Also, you don't need a sound-card with a Hi-Z impedance input.  Them's
what DI boxes are for.

guitar input in max