Cycling 74 » Topic: Help combining detuned saw objects? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/help-combining-detuned-saw-objects/feed Wed, 19 Jun 2013 16:47:00 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=2.2.4 http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/help-combining-detuned-saw-objects/#post-49585 <![CDATA[Help combining detuned saw objects?]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/help-combining-detuned-saw-objects/#post-49585 Tue, 06 Apr 2010 15:07:13 +0000 jinxpk I’m trying to write a “supersaw” jp-8000 style synth in maxmsp.
All I’m doing is adding together 16 saw objects each that are detuned differently (by sawnumber*detuneamount) and then dividing the output by 16 to keep the volume down. This is placed into a patcher and played using poly.

The problem is, when I do this I get a lot of flanging… I’m not sure why but I think it has to do with each oscillator starting at a slightly different time? Anyone have any idea how I can fix this? Or is there some other kind of spacing I need between the oscillators? I tried making the same patch in Reaktor (with the same detune amounts) and didn’t get any of the flanging effects, so I’m confused. Thanks! See text code below, also i made a screenshot: http://www.kupex.com/supersawattempt.jpg

– Pasted Max Patch, click to expand. –
]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/help-combining-detuned-saw-objects/#post-178180 <![CDATA[Re: Help combining detuned saw objects?]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/help-combining-detuned-saw-objects/#post-178180 Sun, 11 Apr 2010 20:26:02 +0000 Roald Baudoux Hi jinxpx,

I do not understand why you detune each oscillator with the same offset from the previous oscillator to the next one (as I understand from the * 1. , * 2. , * 3… series.). It’s hard to be sure without knowing what sort of values are coming into the detune inlet, but I suspect you’d get better results by using random values in a specific range rather than this series.

Also, I’d use multiplication instead of addition, so the detuning is relative to frequency. See modified patcher below.

– Pasted Max Patch, click to expand. –

Hope this helps.

Roald Baudoux
http://www.roaldbaudoux.org

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/help-combining-detuned-saw-objects/#post-178181 <![CDATA[Re: Help combining detuned saw objects?]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/help-combining-detuned-saw-objects/#post-178181 Sun, 11 Apr 2010 22:51:54 +0000 Roman Thilenius  
without looking at the patch i can tell that flanging is the exspected behaviour.

phase offsets will not make a difference here, but the tuning can.

on one had i would use relative frequency offsets (think per cent) and on the
other hand each of the oscillator frequencies need a slight modulation;
try triangular LFO and/or little random instabilities.
their job will mainly be to modulate the phases and not the pitches, if oyu
know what i mean.

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