I would like to manipulate groove~ object like mlr for monome.

But, I don't know how to avoid the click when I change the position of the "playback head". I must be able to change this postion at any time

Here, a little patch that explain my problem...

I would like to manipulate groove~ object like mlr for monome.
But, I don't know how to avoid the click when I change the position of the "playback head". I must be able to change this postion at any time

how-to-change-start-position-in-groove-without-click

Whenever changing the position, you should apply a short fade-out, change the position and then apply a short fade-in.

Whenever changing the position, you should apply a short fade-out, change the position and then apply a short fade-in.
Here is your patch modified accordingly.


I had tested this principle but I had been disappointed about the result (latency).

Thank you for your modification.
I had tested this principle but I had been disappointed about the result (latency).
I will try again with your patch.

Overall the trick is normally to use two groove~ objects, and whenever you want to change your position you change it on the muted one, then crossfade to it, and then you alternate between the two.

This is similar to what's done with ej.vdb~, m4l.vdelay~ etc., only with a buffer instead of a tapout~.

https://cycling74.com/forums/i-cant-remove-clicks/

https://cycling74.com/forums/quick-crossfades-without-clicks/

https://cycling74.com/forums/how-to-remove-clicks-when-moving-waveform-selection/

https://cycling74.com/forums/simple-groove-questions/

https://cycling74.com/forums/pops-when-using-umenu-to-change-waveform-type/

https://cycling74.com/forums/clicks-and-pops-when-triggering-samples/

https://cycling74.com/forums/pops-and-clicks-switching-between-sfplay-instances/

https://cycling74.com/forums/remedy-clicks-and-pops/

Will no one step up to the grand task of creating a centralized collection of answers?!

https://cycling74.com/tools/rajaslilsamplingtutorial/

https://cycling74.com/forums/millerpuckettes-switchramp-reworked-in-gen/

'tis the most asked question here:
https://cycling74.com/forums/i-cant-remove-clicks/
https://cycling74.com/forums/quick-crossfades-without-clicks/
https://cycling74.com/forums/how-to-remove-clicks-when-moving-waveform-selection/
https://cycling74.com/forums/simple-groove-questions/
https://cycling74.com/forums/pops-when-using-umenu-to-change-waveform-type/
https://cycling74.com/forums/clicks-and-pops-when-triggering-samples/
https://cycling74.com/forums/pops-and-clicks-switching-between-sfplay-instances/
https://cycling74.com/forums/remedy-clicks-and-pops/

Will no one step up to the grand task of creating a centralized collection of answers?!
*from the shadows:*
https://cycling74.com/tools/rajaslilsamplingtutorial/
https://cycling74.com/forums/millerpuckettes-switchramp-reworked-in-gen/
>:D
*EEEEvilllll laughter*

While I agree that 'a centralized collection of answers' would be terrific, a person who is not inclined to search the forum with the handy provided "Search" box is unlikely to exert any greater effort to search any other location.

The tutorials are equally helpful. But the Search link is invaluable. You just need to learn how to articulate and refine your key words.

The tutorials are equally helpful.  But the Search link is invaluable. You just need to learn how to articulate and refine your key words.


(just wanted to clarify: by putting things in bold, i simply increase the sense of drama and theater(because everything i do i do for comedy! there are no online forums posts anywhere on the internet which are completely free of self-absorption and selfishness) to draw attention to the fact that there is both the options of search, and a lone, masked(just on the face but completely naked everywhere else), madman who has created something of a centralized collection of answers, since even a search of these forums will not cover an organized diversity of options very well... articulating and refining key words is also great advice, but a beginner will not know key words to begin with... the fact that this question is the most commonly asked on the forums proves that neither forums nor included docs is organized well enough for beginners(on this particular subject). you all should do yourselves a favor and point them to 'raja'slil'samplingtutorial', it was made with 8 years of experience on these forums by a nice little obedient guy named 'raja' who died a horrible death from the strain of having to explain it so much ;)

The search link Sucks. It uses OR instead of AND, even if you use quotes and/or the word "and". I get thousands of results and adding in another search term just increases the number of results.

The search link Sucks.  It uses OR instead of AND, even if you use quotes and/or the word "and".  I get thousands of results and adding in another search term just increases the number of results.

I usually find it easier to use google to search the forum.

Do you use "max msp" or "Cycling '74" or Cycling74

in your Google search? I get different results, depending. Not to mention "max4live" or "Max for Live"

In any case, I'm confused about why somebody would want the beginning and/or ending loop points to have clicks.

Why would anybody want to have clicks when changing the start point of a loop? Why is this the default behavior of groove~?

Whats with all the kluges on these forums to try to get it to work without clicks? (oh yeah, because it clicks by default)

Thanks Raja (you asshole) for the collection of links about this topic. I've gone through all of them with very little success, although I've learned other things from them.

Thanks Roald, your confusing solution is the only one that kind of works for me. Thanks Roald.

changing the start point doesn't click. I mean, who doesn't want that as default behavior?

Whats up with this? I thought groove~ was like a premier object, what with all the timestretching , looping, formant and dict stuff.

Or is there some other obvious, Win 10 64bit, object that time stretches and loops between variable start and end points, without pitch shifting and Clicking?

Do you use "max msp" or "Cycling  '74" or Cycling74 

in your Google search? I get different results, depending. Not to mention "max4live"  or "Max for Live"

In any case,  I'm confused about  why somebody would want  the beginning and/or ending loop points to have clicks. 

Why would anybody want to have clicks when changing the start point of a loop? Why is this the default behavior of groove~?  

It would be great to at least see the normal, 2 groove~ solution that Wetterberg proposes, preferably with grooveduck2. That way, loop points don't click and changing the start point doesn't click. I mean, who doesn't want that as default behavior?

Whats up with this? I thought groove~ was like a premier object, what with all the timestretching , looping, formant and dict stuff. 

Or is there some other obvious, Win 10 64bit,  object  that time stretches and loops between variable start and end points, without pitch shifting and Clicking?

HAAAA! i don't remember this thread, but what fine form i was in 😆😇

in any case, @Eric sorry you're having so much trouble.

https://cycling74.com/tools/karma-samplerlooper-external

(i'm nervous to suggest anything at this point as i feel your frustration and don't wish to exacerbate, but it's just another thing that comes to mind, and it has everything you ask for built into it;

actually, to make it easier for you, just download straight from here and the folder you unzip should have the pre-built 64-bit verison of the object ready to go, just open the helpfile and start trying it out from there to see if it meets your needs: 

http://www.rodrigoconstanzo.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/karma1.0.zip

in any case, wishing you better and better luck and hopefully more joy than pain discovering the solution that works for you. 🍺

in any case, @Eric sorry you're having so much trouble.
have you tried the karma~ object? https://cycling74.com/tools/karma-samplerlooper-external
(i'm nervous to suggest anything at this point as i feel your frustration and don't wish to exacerbate, but it's just another thing that comes to mind, and it has everything you ask for built into it;
actually, to make it easier for you, just download straight from here and the folder you unzip should have the pre-built 64-bit verison of the object ready to go, just open the helpfile and start trying it out from there to see if it meets your needs: http://www.rodrigoconstanzo.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/karma1.0.zip)

in any case, wishing you better and better luck and hopefully more joy than pain discovering the solution that works for you. 🍺



Behaviour of groove object is as it currently is,

and if it was different than sooner or later another newbie would come in and make

big noise about not being able to start from wished position without

Behaviour of groove object is as it currently is,
and if it was different than sooner or later another newbie would come in and make
big noise about not being able to start from wished position without
crossfades, interpolation or whatever .



Yeah, Karma~ is great. Unfortunately it doesn't do pitch independent time stretching, according to this forum topic

https://cycling74.com/forums/groove-clicking-when-changin-waveform-start-end

I guess I'll try to put Percolates vstretch~ after Karma~.

https://cycling74.com/forums/groove-clicking-when-changin-waveform-start-end 

How to change start position in groove~ without click