Cycling 74 » Topic: How to know which program changes are used in a midi file ? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/how-to-know-which-program-changes-are-used-in-a-midi-file/feed Thu, 20 Jun 2013 05:05:52 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=2.2.4 http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/how-to-know-which-program-changes-are-used-in-a-midi-file/#post-57250 <![CDATA[How to know which program changes are used in a midi file ?]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/how-to-know-which-program-changes-are-used-in-a-midi-file/#post-57250 Sun, 22 May 2011 14:01:08 +0000 grigou Hello,

After loading a midi file (type 1) in max, I want to know the program change number used for each track. I tried detonate, but he gives no info for the program change…

For example, in a midi file with 3 instruments, how can I know that one instrument use program change 0 for a piano sound, another one use program change 32 for a bass, etc. ?

Thanks

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/how-to-know-which-program-changes-are-used-in-a-midi-file/#post-205104 <![CDATA[Re: How to know which program changes are used in a midi file ?]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/how-to-know-which-program-changes-are-used-in-a-midi-file/#post-205104 Sun, 22 May 2011 19:10:16 +0000 bkshepard If your question is about knowing what program change messages are contained in the file, you can use [pgmin] to track the messages. On the other hand, if your question is about which instrument produces a piano sound for a given patch number, that’s often not standardized–unless they are using General MIDI–but a function of the synth itself.

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/how-to-know-which-program-changes-are-used-in-a-midi-file/#post-205105 <![CDATA[Re: How to know which program changes are used in a midi file ?]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/how-to-know-which-program-changes-are-used-in-a-midi-file/#post-205105 Sun, 22 May 2011 20:00:10 +0000 grigou Thanks for your answer.
Indeed, my question is about knowing what program change messages are contained in a midi file.

I’ve looked to the pgmin but I don’t understand at all how it works. In patch help and reference page it’s always used with the input connected to nothing (!?), so how did it receives MIDI information ? And from where ?

In my case, I have a midi files which is played by a detonate object. So I have to connect one of the output of detonate object to the input of pgmin ?

Thanks again for your help, I’m totally lost with this…

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/how-to-know-which-program-changes-are-used-in-a-midi-file/#post-205106 <![CDATA[Re: How to know which program changes are used in a midi file ?]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/how-to-know-which-program-changes-are-used-in-a-midi-file/#post-205106 Sun, 22 May 2011 20:07:52 +0000 Roman Thilenius [detonate] should be able to output controller 0, but you could also use
[filein], read at word, and search for the hex string for controller 0.

-110

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/how-to-know-which-program-changes-are-used-in-a-midi-file/#post-205107 <![CDATA[Re: How to know which program changes are used in a midi file ?]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/how-to-know-which-program-changes-are-used-in-a-midi-file/#post-205107 Sun, 22 May 2011 20:08:46 +0000 bkshepard What if you used [seq] instead of [detonate]? If all you need to do is play MIDI sequences, would that work? You could then connect the [pgmin] object to the left outlet of [seq]. Check out the helpfile for [seq] for instructions on loading and playing MIDI files.

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/how-to-know-which-program-changes-are-used-in-a-midi-file/#post-205108 <![CDATA[Re: How to know which program changes are used in a midi file ?]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/how-to-know-which-program-changes-are-used-in-a-midi-file/#post-205108 Sun, 22 May 2011 20:55:43 +0000 grigou Thanks both for the tips.

In fact, I use detonate because I have to deal with midi file type 1.

To explain a little more, I have to load a midi file (type 1) and played each track with different vst sounds. For example, if my midi file have 3 tracks : Acoustic Grand Piano / Acoustic Guitar (nylon) / Slap Bass 1, I have to send the piano track to a vst~ object and use program change 0 to play it, then the program change 24 for the guitar on another vst and the program change 36 for the bass on a third vst.

So that’s why I’m trying to automatically get the program change of each track to assign the track to the right vst preset.

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/how-to-know-which-program-changes-are-used-in-a-midi-file/#post-205109 <![CDATA[Re: How to know which program changes are used in a midi file ?]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/how-to-know-which-program-changes-are-used-in-a-midi-file/#post-205109 Sun, 22 May 2011 21:08:35 +0000 bkshepard How about [mtr] then?

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/how-to-know-which-program-changes-are-used-in-a-midi-file/#post-205110 <![CDATA[Re: How to know which program changes are used in a midi file ?]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/how-to-know-which-program-changes-are-used-in-a-midi-file/#post-205110 Sun, 22 May 2011 22:29:48 +0000 broc Unfortunately there is no Max object for playing (or analyzing) universal midi files.
But you could try the external ‘ajm.midi2coll’ from Adam Murray.

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/how-to-know-which-program-changes-are-used-in-a-midi-file/#post-205111 <![CDATA[Re: How to know which program changes are used in a midi file ?]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/how-to-know-which-program-changes-are-used-in-a-midi-file/#post-205111 Sun, 22 May 2011 22:44:59 +0000 grigou I tried with seq and pgmin doesn’t work. But I think I’m doing mistakes.
It’s the first time I use MIDI in max so I discover a new (complex) world :-)

I’m looking at [mtr] but I don’t understand yet how it works.

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]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/how-to-know-which-program-changes-are-used-in-a-midi-file/#post-205112 <![CDATA[Re: How to know which program changes are used in a midi file ?]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/how-to-know-which-program-changes-are-used-in-a-midi-file/#post-205112 Sun, 22 May 2011 22:46:27 +0000 grigou Oh I didn’t saw your answer broc.
Thank you, I’ll take a look at this object.

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/how-to-know-which-program-changes-are-used-in-a-midi-file/#post-205113 <![CDATA[Re: How to know which program changes are used in a midi file ?]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/how-to-know-which-program-changes-are-used-in-a-midi-file/#post-205113 Sun, 22 May 2011 23:16:23 +0000 bkshepard Have you checked the MIDI tutorials in Max?

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/how-to-know-which-program-changes-are-used-in-a-midi-file/#post-205114 <![CDATA[Re: How to know which program changes are used in a midi file ?]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/how-to-know-which-program-changes-are-used-in-a-midi-file/#post-205114 Mon, 23 May 2011 10:05:18 +0000 grigou Yep I’ve checked the MIDI tutorials, but I have to spend more time to understand all objects.

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