CKNY

You can't see anything in the pwindows because jit.gl.videoplane 

doesn't output a matrix unless you tell it to.

Your patch is really big. To figure out why it doesn't work they way 

you want it to, strip out as much as possible, see if the stripped- 

down version does what you want, then build it back up piece by 

piece, testing as you go. Also, use only one qmetro and throttle its 

bangs with [qlim] as needed, and remove all the updating numberboxes 

If I understand whatever you're after, I think you're going to need 

to render your GL objects (the videoplanes) to textures before you 

move it (many times), bang it (thus telling the render to draw it)

render to texture (look in the example patches for this)

repeat the steps above for your next movie/plane,

route your textures to slabs to composite them,

send the result to another [jit.gl.videoplane @transform_reset 2],

finally bang jit.gl.render to draw your composited result.

You can't see anything in the pwindows because jit.gl.videoplane  
doesn't output a matrix unless you tell it to.

Your patch is really big. To figure out why it doesn't work they way  
you want it to, strip out as much as possible, see if the stripped- 
down version does what you want, then build it back up piece by  
piece, testing as you go.  Also, use only one qmetro and throttle its  
bangs with [qlim] as needed, and remove all the updating numberboxes  
-- they'll slow your patch waaay down.

If I understand whatever you're after, I think you're going to need  
to render your GL objects (the videoplanes) to textures before you  
composite them, e.g.,

send movie to [videoplane @automatic 0]
move it (many times), bang it (thus telling the render to draw it)
render to texture (look in the example patches for this)
send 'erase' to the render
repeat the steps above for your next movie/plane,
route your textures to slabs to composite them,
send the result to another [jit.gl.videoplane @transform_reset 2],
finally bang jit.gl.render to draw your composited result.

i-need-help-i-can-not-find-where-is-the-problem-with-my-patch-jit-gl-videoplane-jit-gl-slab

Quote: Dan wrote on Thu, 02 August 2007 14:00

----------------------------------------------------

> You can't see anything in the pwindows because jit.gl.videoplane 

> doesn't output a matrix unless you tell it to.

> Your patch is really big. To figure out why it doesn't work they way 

> you want it to, strip out as much as possible, see if the stripped- 

> down version does what you want, then build it back up piece by 

> piece, testing as you go. Also, use only one qmetro and throttle its 

> bangs with [qlim] as needed, and remove all the updating numberboxes 

> If I understand whatever you're after, I think you're going to need 

> to render your GL objects (the videoplanes) to textures before you 

> send movie to [videoplane @automatic 0]

> move it (many times), bang it (thus telling the render to draw it)

> render to texture (look in the example patches for this)

> repeat the steps above for your next movie/plane,

> route your textures to slabs to composite them,

> send the result to another [jit.gl.videoplane @transform_reset 2],

> finally bang jit.gl.render to draw your composited result.

That's make more sense to me. Thank you so much. I finally made my movies show in the window but I couldn't make the jit.gl.slab work (jit.gl.slab seems can not blend anything after jit.gl.videoplane). Now I am going to send those videoplanes to jit.gl.texture first before jit.gl.slab.

My question is according to what you said, after I compose my video in the slab, I send to jit.gl.videoplane again and use[jit.gl.videoplane @transform_reset 2], should I put a new window name on it? I mean, like jit.gl.videoplane foo @transform_reset 2] )??

Quote: Dan wrote on Thu, 02 August 2007 14:00
----------------------------------------------------
> You can't see anything in the pwindows because jit.gl.videoplane  
> doesn't output a matrix unless you tell it to.
>
> Your patch is really big. To figure out why it doesn't work they way  
> you want it to, strip out as much as possible, see if the stripped- 
> down version does what you want, then build it back up piece by  
> piece, testing as you go.  Also, use only one qmetro and throttle its  
> bangs with [qlim] as needed, and remove all the updating numberboxes  
> -- they'll slow your patch waaay down.
>
> If I understand whatever you're after, I think you're going to need  
> to render your GL objects (the videoplanes) to textures before you  
> composite them, e.g.,
>
> send movie to [videoplane @automatic 0]
> move it (many times), bang it (thus telling the render to draw it)
> render to texture (look in the example patches for this)
> send 'erase' to the render
> repeat the steps above for your next movie/plane,
> route your textures to slabs to composite them,
> send the result to another [jit.gl.videoplane @transform_reset 2],
> finally bang jit.gl.render to draw your composited result.
>
> good luck!
>
> dan
>
>
----------------------------------------------------

That's make more sense to me. Thank you so much. I finally made my movies show in the window but I couldn't make the jit.gl.slab work (jit.gl.slab seems can not blend anything after jit.gl.videoplane). Now I am going to send those videoplanes to jit.gl.texture first before jit.gl.slab. 

You don't send a videoplane to a slab. You have some major

misconceptions about how things work in OpenGL. Please read the

1a) Slabs work with textures. They take textures as input and give

1b) Slabs can also work with matrices. When a matrix is sent to a

slab, internally it is converted to a texture.

2) A videoplane is a plane in space. It is geometry, not a texture.

It is used to display textures in OpenGL.

Ok,
You don't send a videoplane to a slab.  You have some major
misconceptions about how things work in OpenGL.  Please read the
following _very_ carefully.

1a) Slabs work with textures.  They take textures as input and give
textures as output
1b) Slabs can also work with matrices.  When a matrix is sent to a
slab, internally it is converted to a texture.
2) A videoplane is a plane in space.  It is geometry, not a texture.
It is used to display textures in OpenGL.

Quote: wesley.hoke@gmail.com wrote on Thu, 02 August 2007 15:26

> You don't send a videoplane to a slab. You have some major

> misconceptions about how things work in OpenGL. Please read the

> 1a) Slabs work with textures. They take textures as input and give

> 1b) Slabs can also work with matrices. When a matrix is sent to a

> slab, internally it is converted to a texture.

> 2) A videoplane is a plane in space. It is geometry, not a texture.

> It is used to display textures in OpenGL.

I know the conception is far more important then know how to use the object. I feel like I am the most stupid people in this community. I do feel empty even I read all the tutorials in Max/MSP/jitter because I can not understand everything even I read it more then 3 times. Please forgive me and let me ask this question: how to understand the basic concept of OpenGL for a guy who know almost nothing about programming and those related things? Is there any books or something you recommend me to do or to read?

Quote: wesley.hoke@gmail.com wrote on Thu, 02 August 2007 15:26
----------------------------------------------------
> Ok,
> You don't send a videoplane to a slab.  You have some major
> misconceptions about how things work in OpenGL.  Please read the
> following _very_ carefully.
>
> 1a) Slabs work with textures.  They take textures as input and give
> textures as output
> 1b) Slabs can also work with matrices.  When a matrix is sent to a
> slab, internally it is converted to a texture.
> 2) A videoplane is a plane in space.  It is geometry, not a texture.
> It is used to display textures in OpenGL.
>
> HTH,
> wes
>
----------------------------------------------------

I know the conception is far more important then know how to use the object. I feel like I am the most stupid people in this community. I do feel empty even I read all the tutorials in Max/MSP/jitter because I can not understand everything even I read it more then 3 times. Please forgive me and let me ask this question: how to understand the basic concept of OpenGL for a guy who know almost nothing about programming and those related things? Is there any books or something you recommend me to do or to read?


and since youre flooding the forum with all your questions, whats your name?

>I know the conception is far more important then know how to use the 

>object. I feel like I am the most stupid people in this community. I 

>do feel empty even I read all the tutorials in Max/MSP/jitter 

>because I can not understand everything even I read it more then 3 

>times. Please forgive me and let me ask this question: how to 

>understand the basic concept of OpenGL for a guy who know almost 

>nothing about programming and those related things? Is there any 

>books or something you recommend me to do or to read?

maybe start here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenGL

and since youre flooding the forum with all your questions, whats your name?
and where does UCDMSRA stand for?

>
>
>I know the conception is far more important then know how to use the 
>object. I feel like I am the most stupid people in this community. I 
>do feel empty even I read all the tutorials in Max/MSP/jitter 
>because I can not understand everything even I read it more then 3 
>times. Please forgive me and let me ask this question: how to 
>understand the basic concept of OpenGL for a guy who know almost 
>nothing about programming and those related things? Is there any 
>books or something you recommend me to do or to read?


I guess I am done with videoplane. I suddenly realized that maybe only using jit.gl.texture and jit.gl.slab is pretty much enough for me to do what I want. I think too much before!!! I just changed everything and started from the scratch with only jit.gl.texture and jit.gl.slab....and it seems that I don't really need videoplane.

Thanks for your explain and it is really good for me to finally understand that I NEED to think gl objects as a 3D object just like what I did in some 3D modeling software......not only think it as 2D.

thanks for your patience, really appreciate that

I guess I am done with videoplane. I suddenly realized that maybe only using jit.gl.texture and jit.gl.slab is pretty much enough for me to do what I want. I think too much before!!! I just changed everything and started from the scratch with only jit.gl.texture and jit.gl.slab....and it seems that I don't really need videoplane. 

Thanks for your explain and it is really good for me to finally understand that I NEED to think gl objects as a 3D object just like what I did in some 3D modeling software......not only think it as 2D. 

thanks for your patience, really appreciate that


Quote: MJ wrote on Thu, 02 August 2007 16:49

> and since youre flooding the forum with all your questions, whats your name?

> >I know the conception is far more important then know how to use the 

> >object. I feel like I am the most stupid people in this community. I 

> >do feel empty even I read all the tutorials in Max/MSP/jitter 

> >because I can not understand everything even I read it more then 3 

> >times. Please forgive me and let me ask this question: how to 

> >understand the basic concept of OpenGL for a guy who know almost 

> >nothing about programming and those related things? Is there any 

> >books or something you recommend me to do or to read?

You guys probably know that I am not American because my poor English. Yes, I am a international student. UCDMSRA ==> University of Colorado at Denver, Master of Science at Recording Arts. This is what I am taking right now.

Actually I was film student. My major was film production in BFA and MFA (MFA is my first Master degree). Anyway, my major is audio engineering here. It is MS degree but really nothing about computer programming. What we usually do is recording, mixing, mastering...etc. Because I was film major before so I usually do sound design and sound track ind video/film.

I am graduate student so I am doing my thesis right now. Unlike all my other classmates, I don't want to just record a album, do some sound design stuff, analyze waves or do something we have already done again and again in past two years. I want to do something different. Sure I can graduate very easy if I choose what I am good at for my thesis topic but I don't want to do that.....so I choose Max/MSP and jitter for my thesis project. (yes, I am the ONLY ONE who take Max/MSP for the thesis project here from the past few years till now and I am very proud)

It is pain, really pain in the ass, believe me....because nobody knows/teach Max.MSP here and nobody care. I need to do almost everything by myself. Yes, I tried to find somebody in CU-Boulder and DU but didn't get response. So, what I usually do is ask stupid questions here and hope I can get some help.

It it getting better now. I think I am about to finish my thesis....(I hope). If I can not make it, that's still fine because at least I tried. So I know if cycling 74' forums has some awards, I am the one to get "the most stupid questions student" here.....but again, I don't regret because at least I tried.

Very appreciate you guys help me out here and I say it with all my respect. I never think I will be a programmer or something like that because I really hate programming. I just want to do something even I hate it....ha ha

Quote: MJ wrote on Thu, 02 August 2007 16:49
----------------------------------------------------
> hi
>
> maybe start here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenGL
>
> or maybe here http://nehe.gamedev.net/
>
> and since youre flooding the forum with all your questions, whats your name?
> and where does UCDMSRA stand for?
>
>
> -mj
>
>
> >
> >
> >I know the conception is far more important then know how to use the 
> >object. I feel like I am the most stupid people in this community. I 
> >do feel empty even I read all the tutorials in Max/MSP/jitter 
> >because I can not understand everything even I read it more then 3 
> >times. Please forgive me and let me ask this question: how to 
> >understand the basic concept of OpenGL for a guy who know almost 
> >nothing about programming and those related things? Is there any 
> >books or something you recommend me to do or to read?
>
>
----------------------------------------------------

You guys probably know that I am not American because my poor English. Yes, I am a international student. UCDMSRA ==> University of Colorado at Denver, Master of Science at Recording Arts. This is what I am taking right now. 

It it getting better now. I think I am about to finish my thesis....(I hope). If I can not make it, that's still fine because at least I tried. So I know if cycling 74' forums has some awards, I am the one to get "the most stupid questions student" here.....but again, I don't regret because at least I tried. 

Very appreciate you guys help me out here and I say it with all my respect. I never think I will be a programmer or something like that because I really hate programming. I just want to do something even I hate it....ha ha


No need to apologize. Don't worry, none of us were born knowing

> Quote: MJ wrote on Thu, 02 August 2007 16:49

> ----------------------------------------------------

> > and since youre flooding the forum with all your questions, whats your name?

> > >I know the conception is far more important then know how to use the

> > >object. I feel like I am the most stupid people in this community. I

> > >do feel empty even I read all the tutorials in Max/MSP/jitter

> > >because I can not understand everything even I read it more then 3

> > >times. Please forgive me and let me ask this question: how to

> > >understand the basic concept of OpenGL for a guy who know almost

> > >nothing about programming and those related things? Is there any

> > >books or something you recommend me to do or to read?

> You guys probably know that I am not American because my poor English. Yes, I am a international student. UCDMSRA ==> University of Colorado at Denver, Master of Science at Recording Arts. This is what I am taking right now.

> Actually I was film student. My major was film production in BFA and MFA (MFA is my first Master degree). Anyway, my major is audio engineering here. It is MS degree but really nothing about computer programming. What we usually do is recording, mixing, mastering...etc. Because I was film major before so I usually do sound design and sound track ind video/film.

> I am graduate student so I am doing my thesis right now. Unlike all my other classmates, I don't want to just record a album, do some sound design stuff, analyze waves or do something we have already done again and again in past two years. I want to do something different. Sure I can graduate very easy if I choose what I am good at for my thesis topic but I don't want to do that.....so I choose Max/MSP and jitter for my thesis project. (yes, I am the ONLY ONE who take Max/MSP for the thesis project here from the past few years till now and I am very proud)

> It is pain, really pain in the ass, believe me....because nobody knows/teach Max.MSP here and nobody care. I need to do almost everything by myself. Yes, I tried to find somebody in CU-Boulder and DU but didn't get response. So, what I usually do is ask stupid questions here and hope I can get some help.

> It it getting better now. I think I am about to finish my thesis....(I hope). If I can not make it, that's still fine because at least I tried. So I know if cycling 74' forums has some awards, I am the one to get "the most stupid questions student" here.....but again, I don't regret because at least I tried.

> Very appreciate you guys help me out here and I say it with all my respect. I never think I will be a programmer or something like that because I really hate programming. I just want to do something even I hate it....ha ha

No need to apologize.  Don't worry, none of us were born knowing
opengl.  It will come in time.

On 8/2/07, UCDMSRA  wrote:
>
> Quote: MJ wrote on Thu, 02 August 2007 16:49
> ----------------------------------------------------
> > hi
> >
> > maybe start here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenGL
> >
> > or maybe here http://nehe.gamedev.net/
> >
> > and since youre flooding the forum with all your questions, whats your name?
> > and where does UCDMSRA stand for?
> >
> >
> > -mj
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >I know the conception is far more important then know how to use the
> > >object. I feel like I am the most stupid people in this community. I
> > >do feel empty even I read all the tutorials in Max/MSP/jitter
> > >because I can not understand everything even I read it more then 3
> > >times. Please forgive me and let me ask this question: how to
> > >understand the basic concept of OpenGL for a guy who know almost
> > >nothing about programming and those related things? Is there any
> > >books or something you recommend me to do or to read?
> >
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------
>
> You guys probably know that I am not American because my poor English. Yes, I am a international student. UCDMSRA ==> University of Colorado at Denver, Master of Science at Recording Arts. This is what I am taking right now.
>
> Actually I was film student. My major was film production in BFA and MFA (MFA is my first Master degree). Anyway, my major is audio engineering here. It is MS degree but really nothing about computer programming. What we usually do is recording, mixing, mastering...etc. Because I was film major before so I usually do sound design and sound track ind video/film.
>
> I am graduate student so I am doing my thesis right now. Unlike all my other classmates, I don't want to just record a album, do some sound design stuff, analyze waves or do something we have already done again and again in past two years. I want to do something different. Sure I can graduate very easy if I choose what I am good at for my thesis topic but I don't want to do that.....so I choose Max/MSP and jitter for my thesis project. (yes, I am the ONLY ONE who take Max/MSP for the thesis project here from the past few years till now and I am very proud)
>
> It is pain, really pain in the ass, believe me....because nobody knows/teach Max.MSP here and nobody care. I need to do almost everything by myself. Yes, I tried to find somebody in CU-Boulder and DU but didn't get response. So, what I usually do is ask stupid questions here and hope I can get some help.
>
> It it getting better now. I think I am about to finish my thesis....(I hope). If I can not make it, that's still fine because at least I tried. So I know if cycling 74' forums has some awards, I am the one to get "the most stupid questions student" here.....but again, I don't regret because at least I tried.
>
> Very appreciate you guys help me out here and I say it with all my respect. I never think I will be a programmer or something like that because I really hate programming. I just want to do something even I hate it....ha ha
>


Quote: MJ wrote on Thu, 02 August 2007 19:38

Quote: MJ wrote on Thu, 02 August 2007 19:38
----------------------------------------------------
> is it A-Kuang from Taiwan?
>
> -mj
----------------------------------------------------

My head is getting clear. I hope you can kindly take a look at this patch. This is just what I basically want to do. (of course I need to put more stuff in like random position, rotation...) but I think this time I am getting close. Maybe I am wrong again but would you please take a look at it and let me know if I am wrong.

One thing I don't understand is what is [r render] doing in this patch?

By the way, when I run the patch, Max window show a bunch of "error:ob3d_draw_begin,no context.." what is that? The error message seems very scary but everything looks fine...

My head is getting clear. I hope you can kindly take a look at this patch. This is just what I basically want to do. (of course I need to put more stuff in like random position, rotation...) but I think this time I am getting close. Maybe I am wrong again but would you please take a look at it and let me know if I am wrong. 

Oops, I forgot to past my patch, sorry my bad..

the "r render" is "read render" see help file

you can add a send after the metro and multiple reads at point where 

here is an more optimized version of your patch

you did "read co.add.jxs" to a slab , but i dont have that so i 

the videoplane has a "reset_transform 2" to make it same ratio as window

( and no i'm not from taiwan i'm from utrecht (40km south of 

amsterdam in the netherlands, found your name in google...:) )

the "r render" is  "read render"  see help file

use less metros
you can add a send after the metro and multiple reads at point where 
you want the metro.
here is an more optimized version of your patch

you did "read co.add.jxs" to a slab , but i dont have that so i 
changed it to co.additive.jxs

-mj
( and no i'm not from taiwan i'm from utrecht (40km south of 
amsterdam in the netherlands, found your name in google...:) )

Actually [r render] is shorthand for [receive render]. Check 

receive.help. On Mac, you can Cmd+doubleclick on [send], [receive] 

and [forward] to find out where it's sending/receiving/forwarding 

from/to, e.g., if I have [r foo] and [s foo] on a patch, double- 

clicking on [r foo] will bring up a small menu with [s foo] in it, 

and clicking in that menu will open up the patch or subpatch 

UCDMSRA, you've said that you've had a tough time going through the 

tutorials (because of your English?) but have you played with the 

tutorial patches and example patches? Taking some time to pick them 

apart and look in the help files for objects you don't know can be 

Actually [r render] is shorthand for [receive render].  Check  
receive.help.  On Mac, you can Cmd+doubleclick on [send], [receive]  
and [forward] to find out where it's sending/receiving/forwarding  
from/to, e.g., if I have [r foo] and [s foo] on a patch, double- 
clicking on [r foo] will bring up a small menu with [s foo] in it,  
and clicking in that menu will open up the patch or subpatch  
containing [s foo].

UCDMSRA, you've said that you've had a tough time going through the  
tutorials (because of your English?) but have you played with the  
tutorial patches and example patches?  Taking some time to pick them  
apart and look in the help files for objects you don't know can be  
very rewarding.

Quote: Dan wrote on Fri, 03 August 2007 10:49

> Actually [r render] is shorthand for [receive render]. Check 

> receive.help. On Mac, you can Cmd+doubleclick on [send], [receive] 

> and [forward] to find out where it's sending/receiving/forwarding 

> from/to, e.g., if I have [r foo] and [s foo] on a patch, double- 

> clicking on [r foo] will bring up a small menu with [s foo] in it, 

> and clicking in that menu will open up the patch or subpatch 

> UCDMSRA, you've said that you've had a tough time going through the 

> tutorials (because of your English?) but have you played with the 

> tutorial patches and example patches? Taking some time to pick them 

> apart and look in the help files for objects you don't know can be 

I know r is "receive", but I don't know what is "render" here stand for because I didn't see "s render". Since there is a "r render", I think there should be a "s render" somewhere but I didn't see.

Well, I think my English is enough to go through all the tutorial in Max/MSP and jitter.....and I did, more then 3 times. The problem is.......I don't know why, I just don't understand some parts even I read it again and again.

Do you believe that some people really lake of "concept of logic structure"?? I still remember around 10 years ago I took a Visual Basic class and I really couldn't get it. In the same assignment, it is maybe only took 10 to 20 lines for my classmate to do what they want but it took me 40 lines and have bugs everywhere. From that time I felt that I am not the programming guy because I don't have that kind of logical pattern.

I did look all the help files in Max/MSP and jitter, but what I can do right now is usually do things from help file or the exist file first. I am not the guy who is very good at "think out of the box" in those programming thing. I can be very creative with art design, motion graphic or sound design but I just can't be smart when I get into programming thing. If something doesn't "exactly" covered by help file I might screw up even a slight change.

I think I still need time to go through it and I need to see more patches.

Quote: Dan wrote on Fri, 03 August 2007 10:49
----------------------------------------------------
> Actually [r render] is shorthand for [receive render].  Check  
> receive.help.  On Mac, you can Cmd+doubleclick on [send], [receive]  
> and [forward] to find out where it's sending/receiving/forwarding  
> from/to, e.g., if I have [r foo] and [s foo] on a patch, double- 
> clicking on [r foo] will bring up a small menu with [s foo] in it,  
> and clicking in that menu will open up the patch or subpatch  
> containing [s foo].
>
> UCDMSRA, you've said that you've had a tough time going through the  
> tutorials (because of your English?) but have you played with the  
> tutorial patches and example patches?  Taking some time to pick them  
> apart and look in the help files for objects you don't know can be  
> very rewarding.
>
> best,
> dan
>
>
----------------------------------------------------

I know r is "receive", but I don't know what is "render" here stand for because I didn't see "s render". Since there is a "r render", I think there should be a "s render" somewhere but I didn't see. 

Well, I think my English is enough to go through all the tutorial in Max/MSP and jitter.....and I did, more then 3 times. The problem is.......I don't know why, I just don't understand some parts even I read it again and again. 

Do you believe that some people really lake of "concept of logic structure"?? I still remember around 10 years ago I took a Visual Basic class and I really couldn't get it. In the same assignment, it is maybe only took 10 to 20 lines for my classmate to do what they want but it took me 40 lines and have bugs everywhere. From that time I felt that I am not the programming guy because I don't have that kind of logical pattern.  

I did look all the help files in Max/MSP and jitter, but what I can do right now is usually do things from help file or the exist file first. I am not the guy who is very good at "think out of the box" in those programming thing. I can be very creative with art design, motion graphic or sound design but I just can't be smart when I get into programming thing. If something doesn't "exactly" covered by help file I might screw up even a slight change. 

I think I still need time to go through it and I need to see more patches.


We all know what it feels like to not understand something. There is no

reason to put yourself down over it. Many of us here have been lucky

enough to be taught by smart and helpful teachers in learning to use

If you would like to find some help learning Jitter, I would highly

recommend checking out the Resource Guide on cycling74.com:

https://cycling74.com/twiki/bin/view/ResourceGuide

There are a number of resources listed there for finding teachers,

schools, and workshops. You might also try hiring a tutor that is more

experienced with these matters to sit down and explain things. Many

Jitter users are also struggling artists/students and could use a

We all know what it feels like to not understand something.  There is no
reason to put yourself down over it.  Many of us here have been lucky
enough to be taught by smart and helpful teachers in learning to use
MaxMSP and Jitter.

If you would like to find some help learning Jitter, I would highly
recommend checking out the Resource Guide on cycling74.com:

There are a number of resources listed there for finding teachers,
schools, and workshops.  You might also try hiring a tutor that is more
experienced with these matters to sit down and explain things.  Many
Jitter users are also struggling artists/students and could use a
financial incentive.

> We all know what it feels like to not understand something. There 

> reason to put yourself down over it. Many of us here have been lucky

> enough to be taught by smart and helpful teachers in learning to use

I couldn't agree more. Programming has never come easily for me. I 

had two excellent teachers (a professor and a friend) who patiently 

helped me visualize--in my head and on-screen--the code I didn't 

understand and the results I was after. Just give yourself some time 

to absorb this stuff and it will come to you. Remember, your brain 

learns something when you're *not* doing it. ;)

By the way, I didn't mean to suggest that your English sucked or that 

you weren't spending enough time with Max -- sorry if I came off that 

> We all know what it feels like to not understand something.  There  
> is no
> reason to put yourself down over it.  Many of us here have been lucky
> enough to be taught by smart and helpful teachers in learning to use
> MaxMSP and Jitter.

I couldn't agree more.  Programming has never come easily for me.  I  
had two excellent teachers (a professor and a friend) who patiently  
helped me visualize--in my head and on-screen--the code I didn't  
understand and the results I was after.  Just give yourself some time  
to absorb this stuff and it will come to you.  Remember, your brain  
learns something when you're *not* doing it.  ;)

By the way, I didn't mean to suggest that your English sucked or that  
you weren't spending enough time with Max -- sorry if I came off that  
way.  :)  Good luck!


Quote: Dan wrote on Fri, 03 August 2007 15:54

I need help, I can not find where is the problem with my patch (jit.gl.videoplane, jit.gl.slab)