Would be possible/simple to make the inspector,

and Get Info... in particular, behave like the

Finder when it comes to multiple selections of

the same object? That is, if I select 12 panels,

could the inspector figure out that they're the

same object, rather than gagging on the "multiple

Would be possible/simple to make the inspector,
and Get Info... in particular, behave like the
Finder when it comes to multiple selections of
the same object? That is, if I select 12 panels,
could the inspector figure out that they're the
same object, rather than gagging on the "multiple
objects selected" error?

inspector-request

I'd love that, but might be hard to implement...

The workaround almost as convenient: change one, copy it and then paste

replace the others. Disadavntage it would always make an identical copy

and not just for the parameters you want to change...

The workaround almost as convenient: change one, copy it and then paste
replace the others. Disadavntage it would always make an identical copy
and not just for the parameters you want to change...

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Quote: Stefan Tiedje wrote on Wed, 26 April 2006 01:46

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> > That is, if I select 12 panels, could the inspector figure out that

> > they're the same object, rather than gagging on the "multiple objects

> I'd love that, but might be hard to implement...

> The workaround almost as convenient: change one, copy it and then paste

the textfield object is nice for that, i am using 

simply paste a string and the settings are copied 

what if you want to open 2 inspectors and do 

then it would also be nice to select 2 objects and

one click would bring up _both inspectors.

btw, [coll] can also store values and settings inside

inspectors. use coll to store, set coll to "save with 

patch" and then add an auto-save funtion to the 

Quote: Stefan Tiedje wrote on Wed, 26 April 2006 01:46
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> jbmaxwell wrote:
> > That is, if I select 12 panels, could the inspector figure out that
> > they're the same object, rather than gagging on the "multiple objects
> > selected" error?
>
> I'd love that, but might be hard to implement...
>
> The workaround almost as convenient: change one, copy it and then paste
> replace the others.

the textfield object is nice for that, i am using 
it in some inspectors. 
simply paste a string and the settings are copied 
from one to another.

what if you want to open 2 inspectors and do 
_different settings to them?
then it would also be nice to select 2 objects and
one click would bring up _both inspectors.

btw, [coll] can also store values and settings inside
inspectors. use coll to store, set coll to "save with 
patch" and then add an auto-save funtion to the 
inspector s close button.

Another alternative (as of 4.5.5) is to use UI Prototypes. Check out 

I know you hate to read, Stefan, but it's amazing what you can learn 

if you scan through the documentation once in a while. Like they say 

on Sesamstrasse: Wer nicht liesst bleibt...

However, the idea would be a killer enhancement. Go for it, C74. Yay, 

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Another alternative (as of 4.5.5) is to use UI Prototypes. Check out  
"What's New in 4.5.5".

I know you hate to read, Stefan, but it's amazing what you can learn  
if you scan through the documentation once in a while. Like they say  
on Sesamstrasse: Wer nicht liesst bleibt...

However, the idea would be a killer enhancement. Go for it, C74. Yay,  
team!

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On 26 avr. 06, at 10:48, Peter Castine wrote:

> Like they say on Sesamstrasse: Wer nicht liesst bleibt...

Peter, du kennst deine Klassiker nicht ;-)

>  Like they say on Sesamstrasse: Wer nicht liesst bleibt...

On 26-Apr-2006, at 11:00, Roby Steinmetzer wrote:

> Peter, du kennst deine Klassiker nicht ;-)

Ich kenne meine Sesamstrasse sehr wohl, aber es gibt auch sowas wie 

> Peter, du kennst deine Klassiker nicht ;-)
>
> Wer nicht _fragt_ bleibt...

Ich kenne meine Sesamstrasse sehr wohl, aber es gibt auch sowas wie  
Paraphrase. -- P


That is good... don't think I've ever used it though. You know, I can't even remember what "Get Info..." properties I was trying to change, or on what object. But whatever object it was wouldn't accept them as messages, only via Get Info... That's when a more Finder-like Get Info would be handy. Actually, that triggers something in my head. The Finder uses command-option-I to do a sort of "global" Get Info... (floating-window version), so maybe Max could do that as well? Maybe?

duh... that didn't even occur to me, but of course the Get Info is written in Max, isn't it!?? I love being a moron, it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside... :-

And what's worse is that this is probably all covered, yes... "in the documentation", meaning that I'll soon be the target of all the whining on that other thread equating "forum" with "stupidity".

Probably the most straightforward way to work this out, then, would be to do a Get Info... on the desired object, then unlock the info window and have a peek inside to see all the info tricks in action.

One cool feature to add to the inspector would be the size attributes 

in X, Y (for objects other than panel). Would save time and eyesight 

from squinting at the lower-left corner...

One cool feature to add to the inspector would be the size attributes 
in X, Y (for objects other than panel).  Would save time and eyesight 
from squinting at the lower-left corner...

> I know you hate to read, Stefan, but it's amazing what you can learn if 

> you scan through the documentation once in a while. Like they say on 

> Sesamstrasse: Wer nicht liesst bleibt...

I know, especially since I built my Max Overview patch which will fire 

up the manuals out of Max. Though in this case paste replace is way 

Peter Castine wrote:
> I know you hate to read, Stefan, but it's amazing what you can learn  if 
> you scan through the documentation once in a while. Like they say  on 
> Sesamstrasse: Wer nicht liesst bleibt...

I know, especially since I built my Max Overview patch which will fire 
up the manuals out of Max. Though in this case paste replace is way 
faster if you have a shortcut on it...

> I know you hate to read, Stefan, but it's amazing what you can learn 

> if you scan through the documentation once in a while.

i prefer a different method at the moment; i usually 

connect messages (like brgb or enable and this kind

of stuff) to the first instace of an object and

copy it later including "its" message boxes until i 

know what settings will be the right ones.

calling inspectors is not very comfortable at all and

though, i somethings think it would be nice to

call up inspectors with alt-click alternative of the 

> I know you hate to read, Stefan, but it's amazing what you can learn  
> if you scan through the documentation once in a while.

i prefer a different method at the moment; i usually 
connect messages (like brgb or enable and this kind
of stuff) to the first instace of an object and
copy it later including "its" message boxes until i 
know what settings will be the right ones.

calling inspectors is not very comfortable at all and
there is no way to enhace this system.
though, i somethings think it would be nice to
call up inspectors with alt-click alternative of the 
help files.

Quote: peter.mcculloch@gmail.com wrote on Wed, 26 April 2006 11:16

> One cool feature to add to the inspector would be the size attributes 

> in X, Y (for objects other than panel). Would save time and eyesight 

> from squinting at the lower-left corner...

you can do that yourself very easy by adding 

2 numberboxes and 1 messagebox to the inspector, don t you.

in this context ... here is an example how to 

control several inspectors of the same - or even 

of different types - at once by sending messages to 

the inspectors. yeah i know, you still have to open 20

inspectos for 20 objects, but at least this way you 

only have to type the messages you want to send only

further enhancements for inspectors could be to

implement textfield objects where you type long 

"255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 

255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255",

to set all 8 waveform object colors at once, or 

whatever you need to do regulary and hate the default

save the following as [panel-insp.pat] and

put it in the inspector folder - make a copy of your 

original first - and you can see how simple inspectors

once you have the balls you exchange the inspectors

by using recieve obejcts you can create your

personal inspector-remote patch which sends rgb values

to all open inspectors o a chosen object type. by entering

- inspector 110 (na das passt wieder, was?)

Quote: peter.mcculloch@gmail.com wrote on Wed, 26 April 2006 11:16
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> One cool feature to add to the inspector would be the size attributes 
> in X, Y (for objects other than panel).  Would save time and eyesight 
> from squinting at the lower-left corner...
>
> Peter McCulloch

you can do that yourself very easy by adding 
2 numberboxes and 1 messagebox to the inspector, don t you.

in this context ... here is an example how to 
control several inspectors of the same - or even 
of different types - at once by sending messages to 
the inspectors. yeah i know, you still have to open 20
inspectos for 20 objects, but at least this way you 
only have to type the messages you want to send only
once.

further enhancements for inspectors could be to
implement textfield objects where you type long 
lists like
"255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 
255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255",
to set all 8 waveform object colors at once, or 
whatever you need to do regulary and hate the default
look of the object inspector.

save the following as [panel-insp.pat] and
put it in the inspector folder - make a copy of your 
original first - and you can see how simple inspectors
can look.
once you have the balls you exchange the inspectors
it is a nobrainer to make your own.
by using recieve obejcts you can create your
personal inspector-remote patch which sends rgb values
to all open inspectors o a chosen object type. by entering
the values only once.

- inspector 110 (na das passt wieder, was?)


Quote: Stefan Tiedje wrote on Fri, 28 April 2006 09:51

> > i somethings think it would be nice to call up inspectors with

> > alt-click alternative of the help files.

dont get me wrong, but cmd-i is not an alt-click,

i was asking for a click because the existing key 

Quote: Stefan Tiedje wrote on Fri, 28 April 2006 09:51
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> Roman Thilenius wrote:
> > i somethings think it would be nice to call up inspectors with
> > alt-click alternative of the help files.
>
> Hah! selbst erwischt:~) cmd-i

dont get me wrong, but cmd-i is not an alt-click,
cmd-i is cmd-i. 
i was asking for a click because the existing key 
commands suck.
maybe i misunderstand you? :)

In diesem Fall darf es auf keinen Fall so verstanden werden wie es 

Roman Thilenius wrote:
> maybe i misunderstand you? :)

In diesem Fall darf es auf keinen Fall so verstanden werden wie es 
gemeint war... ;-)

Yes, the toolbox can totally do this. Any message you can send to an object using a message box you can do it with the toolbox. Just select one or more objects, hit command-r, type in what you want and hit enter. So if you have 8 sliders and send them "64" (without the quotes) they will all be set at the value of 64. If you have some number boxes that need to have a minimum of 0, you would send "min 0". Note that you can send multiple messages by separating them with a comma like in a message box. It's really the same thing as connecting a message box to one or several objects and clicking on it.

Yes, the toolbox can totally do this.  Any message you can send to an object using a message box you can do it with the toolbox.  Just select one or more objects, hit command-r, type in what you want and hit enter.  So if you have 8 sliders and send them "64" (without the quotes) they will all be set at the value of 64.  If you have some number boxes that need to have a minimum of 0, you would send "min 0".  Note that you can send multiple messages by separating them with a comma like in a message box.  It's really the same thing as connecting a message box to one or several objects and clicking on it.


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