Inspector request

Apr 23, 2006 at 8:46am

Inspector request

Would be possible/simple to make the inspector,
and Get Info… in particular, behave like the
Finder when it comes to multiple selections of
the same object? That is, if I select 12 panels,
could the inspector figure out that they’re the
same object, rather than gagging on the “multiple
objects selected” error?

J.

#25605
Apr 26, 2006 at 7:46am

I’d love that, but might be hard to implement…

The workaround almost as convenient: change one, copy it and then paste
replace the others. Disadavntage it would always make an identical copy
and not just for the parameters you want to change…

Stefan

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#75539
Apr 26, 2006 at 8:06am

#75540
Apr 26, 2006 at 8:28am

Quote: Stefan Tiedje wrote on Wed, 26 April 2006 01:46
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> jbmaxwell wrote:
> > That is, if I select 12 panels, could the inspector figure out that
> > they’re the same object, rather than gagging on the “multiple objects
> > selected” error?
>
> I’d love that, but might be hard to implement…
>
> The workaround almost as convenient: change one, copy it and then paste
> replace the others.

the textfield object is nice for that, i am using
it in some inspectors.
simply paste a string and the settings are copied
from one to another.

what if you want to open 2 inspectors and do
_different settings to them?
then it would also be nice to select 2 objects and
one click would bring up _both inspectors.

btw, [coll] can also store values and settings inside
inspectors. use coll to store, set coll to “save with
patch” and then add an auto-save funtion to the
inspector s close button.

#75541
Apr 26, 2006 at 8:48am

Another alternative (as of 4.5.5) is to use UI Prototypes. Check out
“What’s New in 4.5.5″.

I know you hate to read, Stefan, but it’s amazing what you can learn
if you scan through the documentation once in a while. Like they say
on Sesamstrasse: Wer nicht liesst bleibt…

However, the idea would be a killer enhancement. Go for it, C74. Yay,
team!

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#75542
Apr 26, 2006 at 9:00am

On 26 avr. 06, at 10:48, Peter Castine wrote:

> Like they say on Sesamstrasse: Wer nicht liesst bleibt…

Peter, du kennst deine Klassiker nicht ;-)

Wer nicht _fragt_ bleibt…

Roby

#75543
Apr 26, 2006 at 9:05am

#75544
Apr 26, 2006 at 9:56am

#75545
Apr 26, 2006 at 10:07am

On 26-Apr-2006, at 11:00, Roby Steinmetzer wrote:

> Peter, du kennst deine Klassiker nicht ;-)
>
> Wer nicht _fragt_ bleibt…

Ich kenne meine Sesamstrasse sehr wohl, aber es gibt auch sowas wie
Paraphrase. — P

#75546
Apr 26, 2006 at 10:13am

That is good… don’t think I’ve ever used it though. You know, I can’t even remember what “Get Info…” properties I was trying to change, or on what object. But whatever object it was wouldn’t accept them as messages, only via Get Info… That’s when a more Finder-like Get Info would be handy. Actually, that triggers something in my head. The Finder uses command-option-I to do a sort of “global” Get Info… (floating-window version), so maybe Max could do that as well? Maybe?

J.

#75547
Apr 26, 2006 at 11:00am

#75548
Apr 26, 2006 at 11:38am

duh… that didn’t even occur to me, but of course the Get Info is written in Max, isn’t it!?? I love being a moron, it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside… :-

And what’s worse is that this is probably all covered, yes… “in the documentation”, meaning that I’ll soon be the target of all the whining on that other thread equating “forum” with “stupidity”.

Probably the most straightforward way to work this out, then, would be to do a Get Info… on the desired object, then unlock the info window and have a peek inside to see all the info tricks in action.

Thanks for pointing that out.

cheers,

J.

#75549
Apr 26, 2006 at 12:09pm

#75550
Apr 26, 2006 at 5:16pm

One cool feature to add to the inspector would be the size attributes
in X, Y (for objects other than panel). Would save time and eyesight
from squinting at the lower-left corner…

Peter McCulloch

#75551
Apr 26, 2006 at 8:16pm

Peter Castine wrote:
> I know you hate to read, Stefan, but it’s amazing what you can learn if
> you scan through the documentation once in a while. Like they say on
> Sesamstrasse: Wer nicht liesst bleibt…

I know, especially since I built my Max Overview patch which will fire
up the manuals out of Max. Though in this case paste replace is way
faster if you have a shortcut on it…

Stefan

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#75552
Apr 27, 2006 at 4:41am

> I know you hate to read, Stefan, but it’s amazing what you can learn
> if you scan through the documentation once in a while.

endlich haben wir _ihn mal erwischt.

i prefer a different method at the moment; i usually
connect messages (like brgb or enable and this kind
of stuff) to the first instace of an object and
copy it later including “its” message boxes until i
know what settings will be the right ones.

calling inspectors is not very comfortable at all and
there is no way to enhace this system.
though, i somethings think it would be nice to
call up inspectors with alt-click alternative of the
help files.

#75553
Apr 27, 2006 at 5:28am

Quote: peter.mcculloch@gmail.com wrote on Wed, 26 April 2006 11:16
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> One cool feature to add to the inspector would be the size attributes
> in X, Y (for objects other than panel). Would save time and eyesight
> from squinting at the lower-left corner…
>
> Peter McCulloch

you can do that yourself very easy by adding
2 numberboxes and 1 messagebox to the inspector, don t you.

in this context … here is an example how to
control several inspectors of the same – or even
of different types – at once by sending messages to
the inspectors. yeah i know, you still have to open 20
inspectos for 20 objects, but at least this way you
only have to type the messages you want to send only
once.

further enhancements for inspectors could be to
implement textfield objects where you type long
lists like
“255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255
255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255″,
to set all 8 waveform object colors at once, or
whatever you need to do regulary and hate the default
look of the object inspector.

save the following as [panel-insp.pat] and
put it in the inspector folder – make a copy of your
original first – and you can see how simple inspectors
can look.
once you have the balls you exchange the inspectors
it is a nobrainer to make your own.
by using recieve obejcts you can create your
personal inspector-remote patch which sends rgb values
to all open inspectors o a chosen object type. by entering
the values only once.

[panel-insp.pat]

max v2;
#N vpatcher 968 483 1508 793;
#P origin -430 -599;
#P newex 222 87 233 196617 r set_size_for_all_panel_inspectors_at_once;
#B color 2;
#P newex 183 38 67 196617 closebang;
#P newex 62 129 55 196617 pack 1 1;
#P newex 17 105 101 196617 unpack 1 1 1;
#P user textedit 17 56 124 82 0 3 12 150 150;
#P message 62 153 75 196617 size $1 $2;
#P newex 62 233 69 196617 thisobject #X;
#P connect 5 0 2 0;
#P connect 6 0 3 0;
#P connect 2 0 3 0;
#P connect 3 1 4 0;
#P connect 4 0 1 0;
#P connect 1 0 0 0;
#P connect 3 2 4 1;
#P pop;

- inspector 110 (na das passt wieder, was?)

#75554
Apr 28, 2006 at 3:51pm

#75555
Apr 29, 2006 at 1:15pm

Quote: Stefan Tiedje wrote on Fri, 28 April 2006 09:51
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> Roman Thilenius wrote:
> > i somethings think it would be nice to call up inspectors with
> > alt-click alternative of the help files.
>
> Hah! selbst erwischt:~) cmd-i

dont get me wrong, but cmd-i is not an alt-click,
cmd-i is cmd-i.
i was asking for a click because the existing key
commands suck.
maybe i misunderstand you? :)

-110?

#75556
May 1, 2006 at 8:40am

Roman Thilenius wrote:
> maybe i misunderstand you? :)

In diesem Fall darf es auf keinen Fall so verstanden werden wie es
gemeint war… ;-)

Stefan

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#75557
Jul 14, 2006 at 10:18pm

Missed that message, sorry.

Yes, the toolbox can totally do this. Any message you can send to an object using a message box you can do it with the toolbox. Just select one or more objects, hit command-r, type in what you want and hit enter. So if you have 8 sliders and send them “64″ (without the quotes) they will all be set at the value of 64. If you have some number boxes that need to have a minimum of 0, you would send “min 0″. Note that you can send multiple messages by separating them with a comma like in a message box. It’s really the same thing as connecting a message box to one or several objects and clicking on it.

#75558

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