Anthony Palomba

I have been looking in to ways of automating controller 

data and I was wondering if anyone have any interesting 

ideas. Of course there is the trusty old LFO but that

is a little cliche and Random is a little meaningless.

A good example of what I am looking for is Cyrille Henry's

physical modeling library. It basically models Newtonian physics,

allowing you to create some very interesting behaviors.

I was wondering if any one else had some other interesting 

ways of algorithmicly automating controller data.

I have been looking in to ways of automating controller 
data and I was wondering if anyone have any interesting 
ideas. Of course there is the trusty old LFO but that
is a little cliche and Random is a little meaningless.

A good example of what I am looking for is Cyrille Henry's
physical modeling library. It basically models Newtonian physics,
allowing you to create some very interesting behaviors.
Check it out, http://drpichon.free.fr/pmpd/
I was wondering if any one else had some other interesting 
ways of algorithmicly automating controller data. 

interesting-ideas-for-controller-automation

On 3-Aug-2006, at 0:35, apalomba@austin.rr.com wrote:

> I was wondering if any one else had some other interesting

> ways of algorithmicly automating controller data.

The examples in Litter Power mostly automate MIDI note-on data, but 

they could be easily modified for arbitrary controller stufff. And 

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On 3-Aug-2006, at 0:35, apalomba@austin.rr.com wrote:
> I was wondering if any one else had some other interesting
> ways of algorithmicly automating controller data.

The examples in Litter Power mostly automate MIDI note-on data, but  
they could be easily modified for arbitrary controller stufff. And  
they are interesting.

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The PMPD objects have been kind of superseded by the msd set of 

objects -- basically the same as pmpd, but less of a nightmare to use:

http://basseslumieres.org/projets.php?id=18

I've been fiddling with them lately for a project I've been working 

on, & they're a great improvement over pmpd.

The RTC library is fantastic for serial-type generative processes -- 

For a bunch of free probability distributions that aren't being 

constantly hyped on this list, look at the max-alea objects:

http://faia.free.fr/Max_alea/Max-alea_X_2.b1.sit

There are also a bunch of chaos generators out there -- I don't use 

them, but check out maxobjects.com, and don't forget the fuzzy logic 

stuff you can do with the indispensable LObjects.

The PMPD objects have been kind of superseded by the msd set of  
objects -- basically the same as pmpd, but less of a nightmare to use:

I've been fiddling with them lately for a project I've been working  
on, & they're a great improvement over pmpd.

The RTC library is fantastic for serial-type generative processes --  
I've been using it for years.

For a bunch of free probability distributions that aren't being  
constantly hyped on this list, look at the max-alea objects:

There are also a bunch of chaos generators out there -- I don't use  
them, but check out maxobjects.com, and don't forget the fuzzy logic  
stuff you can do with the indispensable LObjects.

Actually MSD does not supersed PMPD as PMPD can do much more

than MSD. MSD is optimized to do mass spring models. PMPD 

does that but can also do other things like fluid behaviors, 

Subject: Re: [maxmsp] interesting ideas for controller automation ?

> The PMPD objects have been kind of superseded by the msd set of 

> objects -- basically the same as pmpd, but less of a nightmare to use:

> I've been fiddling with them lately for a project I've been 

> on, & they're a great improvement over pmpd.

> The RTC library is fantastic for serial-type generative processes -

> For a bunch of free probability distributions that aren't being 

> constantly hyped on this list, look at the max-alea objects:

> There are also a bunch of chaos generators out there -- I don't 

> them, but check out maxobjects.com, and don't forget the fuzzy 

> stuff you can do with the indispensable LObjects.

Actually MSD does not supersed PMPD as PMPD can do much more
than MSD. MSD is optimized to do mass spring models. PMPD 
does that but can also do other things like fluid behaviors, 
vortecies, etc...

----- Original Message -----
From: mattyo 
Date: Thursday, August 3, 2006 7:37 am
Subject: Re: [maxmsp] interesting ideas for controller automation ?

> The PMPD objects have been kind of superseded by the msd set of  
> objects -- basically the same as pmpd, but less of a nightmare to use:
>
> http://basseslumieres.org/projets.php?id=18
>
>
> I've been fiddling with them lately for a project I've been 
> working  
> on, & they're a great improvement over pmpd.
>
> The RTC library is fantastic for serial-type generative processes -
> -  
> I've been using it for years.
>
> For a bunch of free probability distributions that aren't being  
> constantly hyped on this list, look at the max-alea objects:
>
> http://faia.free.fr/Max_alea/Max-alea_X_2.b1.sit
>
> There are also a bunch of chaos generators out there -- I don't 
> use  
> them, but check out maxobjects.com, and don't forget the fuzzy 
> logic  
> stuff you can do with the indispensable LObjects.
>
> have fun!
>
> M
>
>


Fair enough -- I never had the patience with PMPD to get into things 

On Aug 3, 2006, at 10:57, apalomba@austin.rr.com wrote:

> Actually MSD does not supersed PMPD as PMPD can do much more

> than MSD. MSD is optimized to do mass spring models. PMPD

> does that but can also do other things like fluid behaviors,

Fair enough -- I never had the patience with PMPD to get into things  
involving huge numbers of masses....

> Actually MSD does not supersed PMPD as PMPD can do much more
> than MSD. MSD is optimized to do mass spring models. PMPD
> does that but can also do other things like fluid behaviors,
> vortecies, etc...
>
>
> Anthony


Happy to have something to contribute... and might also impact on your need for multi dimensional controller Anthony...

Here's a quick demo of some of the work I'm developing for my dissertation in MSc Sound Design at Edinburgh Uni.

http://www.pixelmechanics.com/jr_lcd_xy_throw_demo.zip

In short, it's an unlimited (in theory) object xy controller that you can play and set points in motion etc.

Made on a mac, but should play nicely on pc.

I think all the things that you need are in there, but there's more coming... I might even build in the octophonic control you described in another post.

I should add the work above is partly inspired by SpielPlayer, and the great OS9 app SoundToy by Tonne.

Hey Jules, that is very cool. One can potential have 

many squares, each mapped to a differnet parameters.

I was originally envisioning a joystick like configuration,

but this gives you the ability to create unique interactions.

Subject: [maxmsp] Re: interesting ideas for controller automation ?

> Happy to have something to contribute... and might also impact on 

> your need for multi dimensional controller Anthony...

> Here's a quick demo of some of the work I'm developing for my 

> dissertation in MSc Sound Design at Edinburgh Uni.

> In short, it's an unlimited (in theory) object xy controller that 

> you can play and set points in motion etc.

> Made on a mac, but should play nicely on pc.

> I think all the things that you need are in there, but there's 

> more coming... I might even build in the octophonic control you 

> I've put some basic notes in the patch.

Hey Jules, that is very cool. One can potential have 
many squares, each mapped to a differnet parameters.
I was originally envisioning a joystick like configuration,
but this gives you the ability to create unique interactions.

----- Original Message -----
From: Jules Rawlinson 
Date: Friday, August 4, 2006 11:07 am
Subject: [maxmsp] Re: interesting ideas for controller automation ?

>
> Hi All
>
> Happy to have something to contribute... and might also impact on 
> your need for multi dimensional controller Anthony...
>
> Here's a quick demo of some of the work I'm developing for my 
> dissertation in MSc Sound Design at Edinburgh Uni.
>
> http://www.pixelmechanics.com/jr_lcd_xy_throw_demo.zip
>
> In short, it's an unlimited (in theory) object xy controller that 
> you can play and set points in motion etc.
>
> Made on a mac, but should play nicely on pc.
>
> I think all the things that you need are in there, but there's 
> more coming... I might even build in the octophonic control you 
> described in another post.
>
> I've put some basic notes in the patch.
>
> Have fun, and please provide feedback
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jules
> --
> http://www.pixelmechanics.com
> http://ddm.caad.ed.ac.uk
>


Great job ! Could you think of implementing some kind of "boucing ball 

effect" in order to reduce the speed of the agents gradually, or boost 

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> Happy to have something to contribute... and might also impact on your need for multi dimensional controller Anthony...

> Here's a quick demo of some of the work I'm developing for my dissertation in MSc Sound Design at Edinburgh Uni.

> In short, it's an unlimited (in theory) object xy controller that you can play and set points in motion etc.

> I think all the things that you need are in there, but there's more coming... I might even build in the octophonic control you described in another post.

Great job ! Could you think of implementing some kind of "boucing ball 
effect" in order to reduce the speed of the agents gradually, or boost 
it when you want after throwing them ?

f.e chanfrault | aka | personal computer music
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> >>>>>> |sublime music for a desperate people|

Jules Rawlinson wrote:
> Hi All
>
> Happy to have something to contribute... and might also impact on your need for multi dimensional controller Anthony...
>
> Here's a quick demo of some of the work I'm developing for my dissertation in MSc Sound Design at Edinburgh Uni.
>
> http://www.pixelmechanics.com/jr_lcd_xy_throw_demo.zip
>
> In short, it's an unlimited (in theory) object xy controller that you can play and set points in motion etc.
>
> Made on a mac, but should play nicely on pc.
>
> I think all the things that you need are in there, but there's more coming... I might even build in the octophonic control you described in another post.
>
> I've put some basic notes in the patch.
>
> Have fun, and please provide feedback
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jules
> --
> http://www.pixelmechanics.com
> http://ddm.caad.ed.ac.uk
>
>


Yeah, the other things I'm looking at (among others) are...

I've also implemented a 'playhead' object that sweeps over the box, providing further options for control and sequencing. Again, I've gone for an OO approach, so in theory I could have quite a few offset playheads, although I'm starting to notice the effect on CPU now.

The script/patch that I've put up is a 30%cpu hit on my 1.67 pBook without adding any signal processing!

Anyway, I hope to have most of the above list in place within the next week or so, although for simplicity I think they'll take the form of separate scripts... watch this space!

1. Inertia / Energy Transfer
2. Gravitational Pull 
3. Elasticity
4. Orbits
5. Explosions / Fireworks
6. Sizing of objects

> Anthony & f.e, thanks for kind words...

> Yeah, the other things I'm looking at (among others) are...

> I've also implemented a 'playhead' object that sweeps over the box,

providing further options for control and sequencing. Again, I've gone for

an OO approach, so in theory I could have quite a few offset playheads,

although I'm starting to notice the effect on CPU now.

> The script/patch that I've put up is a 30%cpu hit on my 1.67 pBook without

> Anyway, I hope to have most of the above list in place within the next

week or so, although for simplicity I think they'll take the form of

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jules Rawlinson" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 9:06 AM
Subject: [maxmsp] Re: interesting ideas for controller automation ?

>
> Anthony & f.e, thanks for kind words...
>
> Re: bouncing ball...
>
> Yeah, the other things I'm looking at (among others) are...
>
> 1. Inertia / Energy Transfer
> 2. Gravitational Pull
> 3. Elasticity
> 4. Orbits
> 5. Explosions / Fireworks
> 6. Sizing of objects
>
> I've also implemented a 'playhead' object that sweeps over the box,
providing further options for control and sequencing. Again, I've gone for
an OO approach, so in theory I could have quite a few offset playheads,
although I'm starting to notice the effect on CPU now.
>
> The script/patch that I've put up is a 30%cpu hit on my 1.67 pBook without
adding any signal processing!
>
> Anyway, I hope to have most of the above list in place within the next
week or so, although for simplicity I think they'll take the form of
separate scripts... watch this space!
>
> Cheers
>
> Jules
> --
> http://www.pixelmechanics.com
> http://ddm.caad.ed.ac.uk


I believe that there is a great potential working with these models in large scale projects. (I will try after the 25th). Evolving composition and network mapping techniques could bring really interesting results. 

I would like to propose that rather trying to build one powerful object, it would be possibly better to create a library of them, where each one could have some special characteristics. That would be beneficial for the cpu, but also interesting to investigate as a conceptual approach to composition, as the description of their behavior could create a metaphor in composition also in terms of social interaction. 

Looking forward to see the whole project,

Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.

Thanx for sharing Jules,
I believe that there is a great potential working with these models in large scale projects. (I will try after the 25th). Evolving composition and network mapping techniques could bring really interesting results. 
I would like to propose that rather trying to build one powerful object, it would be possibly better to create a library of them, where each one could have some special characteristics. That would be beneficial for the cpu, but also interesting to investigate as a conceptual approach to composition, as the description of their behavior could create a metaphor in composition also in terms of social interaction. 
Looking forward to see the whole project,
Best
Neuromax

Jules Rawlinson  wrote: 
Anthony & f.e, thanks for kind words...

Jules 
--
http://www.pixelmechanics.com
http://ddm.caad.ed.ac.uk

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Something else that can create interesting interactions is a system 

that stores energy and releases it, almost like a rubber band. The 

accum object is perfect for this. Add in values using the addition 

inlet, and then to release with exponential decay, send in multiples 

where 0 < coeff < 1. (use a metro to repeatedly decay at an even rate. 

For the release trigger, you could set it to turn on above a certain 

level, or, what might be more interesting, would be if the accumulated 

value is > threshold level, there is maybe a 15% chance of it going 

off. This way. it'll go off eventually, but not always at the same 

Something else that can create interesting interactions is a system 
that stores energy and releases it, almost like a rubber band.  The 
accum object is perfect for this.  Add in values using the addition 
inlet, and then to release with exponential decay, send in multiples 
where 0 < coeff < 1.  (use a metro to repeatedly decay at an even rate. 
   For the release trigger, you could set it to turn on above a certain 
level, or, what might be more interesting, would be if the accumulated 
value is > threshold level, there is maybe a 15% chance of it going 
off.  This way. it'll go off eventually, but not always at the same 
threshold...

Quote: f.e wrote on Sun, 06 August 2006 02:54

----------------------------------------------------

> Great job ! Could you think of implementing some kind of "boucing ball 

> effect" in order to reduce the speed of the agents gradually, or boost 

well that is what pmpd does - llok at that guitar 

connect 2 of those mass objects in a loop and you

copy the whole thing and use the second copy as the 

vertical parameter = and you have a ball bouncing in 

-110 *jumping because of the neat piano web game*

Quote: f.e wrote on Sun, 06 August 2006 02:54
----------------------------------------------------
> Great job ! Could you think of implementing some kind of "boucing ball 
> effect" in order to reduce the speed of the agents gradually, or boost 
> it when you want after throwing them ?
>
> cheers
>
> f.e

well that is what pmpd does - llok at that guitar 
strings example.
connect 2 of those mass objects in a loop and you
have values bouncing up and down. 
copy the whole thing and use the second copy as the 
vertical parameter = and you have a ball bouncing in 
a box.

-110 *jumping because of the neat piano web game*


dont forget probability, and of course audio input. 

analyze power, peaks, percussive attacks, spectrum 

of incoming signal and use it to drive parameters.

dont forget probability, and of course audio input. 
analyze power, peaks, percussive attacks, spectrum 
of incoming signal and use it to drive parameters.


It's been some time coming, but here's some more of the work I was doing using multiple XY controllers (combination of lcd and js)...

As discussed in previous posts, there's some examples here that make use of gravity, friction and momentum, with a sneek preview of collision counters and orbits.

http://www.pixelmechanics.com/jr_xy_maxpatches.zip

Was contacted off list to say I'd left an abstraction out of the zip for one of the granulation patches...

save this as jr.cycle~ and you'll be good to go.

Hey Jules, these are very cool patchers! 

They definitely spark ideas for interesting 

> It's been some time coming, but here's some more of the work I was 

> doing using multiple XY controllers (combination of lcd and js)...

> As discussed in previous posts, there's some examples here that 

> make use of gravity, friction and momentum, with a sneek preview 

Hey Jules, these are very cool patchers! 
They definitely spark ideas for interesting 
instruments. Thanks for sharing.

----- Original Message -----
From: Jules Rawlinson 
Date: Friday, October 6, 2006 5:17 am
Subject: [maxmsp] Re: interesting ideas for controller automation ?

>
> Hi All
>
> It's been some time coming, but here's some more of the work I was 
> doing using multiple XY controllers (combination of lcd and js)...
>
> As discussed in previous posts, there's some examples here that 
> make use of gravity, friction and momentum, with a sneek preview 
> of collision counters and orbits.
>
> http://www.pixelmechanics.com/jr_xy_maxpatches.zip
>
> Cheers
>
> Jules
> --
> http://www.pixelmechanics.com
> http://ddm.caad.ed.ac.uk
>
