interface to eucon -enabled software

May 6, 2011 at 3:05pm

interface to eucon -enabled software

Dear forum,

i want to do a versatile daw-controller, using max and jitter as mediator between various physical controllers and the DAW. Because of large sets of parameter-data to transfer, i want to avoid midi.

My question is if there is already an external, which handles communication with eucon -enabled software (logic, sequoia, nuendo, etc) and provides an path-system similar to m4l.

As the eucon protocol is tcp-ip based, it should be possible to access the transferred information. Also eucon itself is organized in some object-oriented way, which makes it suitable for using it via max.

Advice for doing this on my own is also welcome.

Greetings,
Christoph

#56933
May 13, 2011 at 1:49pm

i am very interested in your project as i own the Artist series controller and i program intensively on MAX. unfortunately i have no general programming experience…
may you be interested in a collavoration anyway?

A::R:

#204051
May 20, 2011 at 4:42pm

Please keep me posted too. We have a Euphonix MC Mix in the studio. I haven’t had time to explore yet, but would like it to work with Max.

Here’s someone who seems to have it working:

http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/2010/10/euphonix-mc-mix-und-maxmsp.html

#204052
Jun 1, 2011 at 7:35am

If you translate the German you will see that he is running the MC Mix in HUI mode.

Avid has not released the EUCON protocol publicly since acquiring Euphonix, although they continue to hypocritically describe it as “open”. As suggested in the first post, it would be theoretically possible to sniff the TCP or UDP packets if one was motivated enough. I’d guess it’s highly unlikely that EUCON lacks some form of encryption, however – making this a non-trivial effort. It’s a shame, it’s a very promising control protocol.

For those wanting a cheap high resolution controller you can actually run the Behringer B-Control units in 14-bit mode. The build quality is low but at that price you may be able to afford two… MIDI latency will still be an issue.

#204053
Jun 8, 2011 at 9:10am

Here’s something I’ve been working on – a bit clunky & incomplete. It receives fader (& some button) info, and sends out fader & pan knob info to my MCMix.
Set up MackieControl in the Protocol column in Euphonics system preferences (see screenshot) & check MIDI ins & out objectsare looking at the Euphonics device.
Hope that helps – any suggestions for improvement welcome!

Attachments:
  1. euconcontrol.zip
#204054
Aug 24, 2011 at 11:16am

@alistair:

Thanks for your patch, but I actually wanted communication between Max and Eucon-enabled Software, not the Euphonix-Hardware-Controllers (though they are sexy).

If you want to control lots of DAW-Parameters, you need a protocol faster than Midi ( eg. Mackie Control). The MIDI-Bus is simply to slow and the acces methods for querying and setting parameters are too limited.

Maybe we can flashmob avid or so in the future :-)
Greetz,
Christoph

#204055
Mar 19, 2012 at 9:08pm

Dear Christoph,

Did you have success already?

I am wondering if I can control the Metric Halo through Eucon from MAX/MSP since it seems more versatile then the mackie control option.

Best, Hans.

#204056
Jan 3, 2014 at 12:36pm

I’m another who would like to know more about this. I’ve looked into this before and couldn’t find that much information about the Eucon protocol. I wrote a max patch that used midi messages to communicate with Pro Tools (mainly just to automate mutes and such). Like the OP, I found the Midi protocol to be very limited.

I eventually started to sniff ethernet packets between D-commands and the computer, but it was difficult to figure out a pattern. Avid actually offers a developer program with access to the Eucon protocol, but I applied and have yet to hear back. I think thats the best bet at getting max and Eucon to play nice.

Here’s the Hui/midi project I mentioned: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bet7hQzjVfg

and here’s the avid developer program: http://www.avid.com/US/partners/developer-partners

I know this is an old thread, but let me know if anyone is interested on getting a project going…

KP

#277304
Jan 28, 2014 at 8:57am

I would be very interested in this also.

I use MOTU DP, which is Eucon enabled.

It does allot of great things…you can detach faders, have one of the faders follow the currently highlighted channel, etc. Not to mention two-way fader feedback.

I have wanted but have not bought an Avid Artist Series Mix mainly because I really don’t trust Avid not to pull Eucon support for hardware they don’t make. They have done this many times in the past.

I also understand from forums that their Eucon implementation is fairly CPU-intensive.

I see that Behringer has just come out with a couple of small moving fader controllers (“X-Touch”) that are affordable, but they look like they have just implemented HUI protocol, which I find pretty limited.

I would love for DP to be able to see one of these surfaces as a Eucon surface with the Eucon interactiveness.

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