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Hello there Max community! Apologies for the multiple post. (The post body didn't make it through before.)

I am trying to use a PTGrey Firefly MV 1394a camera with MaxMSP 6.1.2 on OSX 10.8.3 for a motion reactive LED sculpture.

The camera works as an input for Messages/iChat, so the thunderbolt-to-firewire800-to-firewire400 connection seems sane. When I try to use it with jit.qt.grab, Max crashes on open.

My laptop's built-in webcam works with jit.qt.grab when the IIDC camera is not plugged in. The open and close commands behave just fine. Also, when I plug in the IIDC camera, I see it listed as "Camera" when I do getvdevlist and getinput list.

However, regardless of whether I choose Camera (IIDC) or the Built-In-iSight (USB), Max crashes when I try to open either camera.

I built and installed libdc1394. I have also tried removing the libdc and I get the same result.

Hello there Max community!   Apologies for the multiple post.  (The post body didn't make it through before.)

I am trying to use a PTGrey Firefly MV 1394a camera with MaxMSP 6.1.2 on OSX 10.8.3 for a motion reactive LED sculpture.  

The camera works as an input for Messages/iChat, so the thunderbolt-to-firewire800-to-firewire400 connection seems sane.  When I try to use it with jit.qt.grab, Max crashes on open. 

My laptop's built-in webcam works with jit.qt.grab when the IIDC camera is not plugged in.  The open and close commands behave just fine.   Also, when I plug in the IIDC camera, I see it listed as "Camera" when I do getvdevlist and getinput list.    

However, regardless of whether I choose Camera (IIDC) or the Built-In-iSight (USB), Max crashes when I try to open either camera. 

I built and installed libdc1394.   I have also tried removing the libdc and I get the same result. 

jit-qt-grab-crashes-max-on-open-with-iidc-camera-connected

Here is a crash report if this helps. Thanks in advance for any help. -John

Path: /Applications/Max6/Max.app/Contents/MacOS/Max

Per-App Interval Since Last Report: 286517 sec

Anonymous UUID: 0D415904-9788-0BAA-922A-018DFAE12D57

Crashed Thread: 0 Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread

Exception Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE at 0x0000000000000004

--> __PAGEZERO 0000000000000000-0000000000001000 [ 4K] ---/--- SM=NUL /Applications/Max6/Max.app/Contents/MacOS/Max

__TEXT 0000000000001000-0000000000676000 [ 6612K] rwx/rwx SM=COW /Applications/Max6/Max.app/Contents/MacOS/Max

Thread 0 Crashed:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread

0 com.apple.IOFireWireLib     0x0d3c7c76 IOFireWireLib::LocalIsochPort::ExportDCLs(unsigned int*, unsigned long*) + 1048

1 com.apple.IOFireWireLib     0x0d3c7548 IOFireWireLib::LocalIsochPort::LocalIsochPort(IUnknownVTbl const&, IOFireWireLib::Device&, bool, DCLCommandStruct*, unsigned long, unsigned long, unsigned long, IOVirtualRange*, unsigned long, IOVirtualRange*, unsigned long, IOFWIsochPortOptions) + 768

2 com.apple.IOFireWireLib     0x0d3c85d7 IOFireWireLib::LocalIsochPortCOM::Alloc(IOFireWireLib::Device&, unsigned char, DCLCommandStruct*, unsigned long, unsigned long, unsigned long, IOVirtualRange*, unsigned long, IOVirtualRange*, unsigned long, IOFWIsochPortOptions) + 117

3 com.apple.IOFireWireLib     0x0d3ccfb4 IOFireWireLib::Device::CreateLocalIsochPortWithOptions(unsigned char, DCLCommandStruct*, unsigned long, unsigned long, unsigned long, IOVirtualRange*, unsigned long, IOVirtualRange*, unsigned long, IOFWIsochPortOptions, CFUUIDBytes) + 96

4 com.apple.IOFireWireLib     0x0d3ce1c8 IOFireWireLib::DeviceCOM::S_CreateLocalIsochPort(IOFireWireDeviceInterface_t**, unsigned char, DCLCommandStruct*, unsigned long, unsigned long, unsigned long, IOVirtualRange*, unsigned long, IOVirtualRange*, unsigned long, CFUUIDBytes) + 114

5 com.apple.QuickTimeIIDCDigitizer    0x0d21f0b0 0xd21e000 + 4272

6 com.apple.QuickTimeIIDCDigitizer    0x0d232ef8 0xd21e000 + 85752

7 com.apple.QuickTimeIIDCDigitizer    0x0d22ac8e 0xd21e000 + 52366

8 com.apple.QuickTimeIIDCDigitizer    0x0d22b371 0xd21e000 + 54129

9 com.apple.QuickTimeIIDCDigitizer    0x0d22af17 0xd21e000 + 53015

10 com.apple.QuickTimeIIDCDigitizer    0x0d22022f 0xd21e000 + 8751

11 com.apple.QuickTimeIIDCDigitizer    0x0d221d5b 0xd21e000 + 15707

12 com.apple.CoreServices.CarbonCore    0x97b2bade CallComponent + 151

13 com.apple.CoreServices.CarbonCore    0x97b2bb38 CallComponentDispatch + 29

14 com.apple.QuickTimeComponents.component    0x96dc9353 0x96228000 + 12194643

15 com.apple.QuickTimeComponents.component    0x96cbb85f 0x96228000 + 11090015

16 com.apple.QuickTimeComponents.component    0x96cbe350 0x96228000 + 11101008

17 com.apple.CoreServices.CarbonCore    0x97bc0a9f callComponentStorage_411 + 34

18 com.apple.CoreServices.CarbonCore    0x97bb1abf CallComponentFunctionCommonWithStorage(char**, ComponentParameters*, long (*)(), unsigned long) + 45

19 com.apple.CoreServices.CarbonCore    0x97bb1aff CallComponentFunctionWithStorageProcInfo + 30

20 com.apple.QuickTimeComponents.component    0x96cbadb1 _SGVideoComponentDispatch + 81

21 com.apple.CoreServices.CarbonCore    0x97b2bade CallComponent + 151

22 com.apple.CoreServices.CarbonCore    0x97b2bb38 CallComponentDispatch + 29

23 com.apple.QuickTimeComponents.component    0x96dca1a5 0x96228000 + 12198309

24 com.apple.QuickTimeComponents.component    0x96cbb109 0x96228000 + 11088137

25 com.apple.QuickTimeComponents.component    0x96cc1354 0x96228000 + 11113300

26 com.apple.CoreServices.CarbonCore    0x97bc0adb callComponentStorage_44 + 25

27 com.apple.CoreServices.CarbonCore    0x97bb1abf CallComponentFunctionCommonWithStorage(char**, ComponentParameters*, long (*)(), unsigned long) + 45

28 com.apple.CoreServices.CarbonCore    0x97bb1aff CallComponentFunctionWithStorageProcInfo + 30

29 com.apple.QuickTimeComponents.component    0x96cbadb1 _SGVideoComponentDispatch + 81

30 com.apple.CoreServices.CarbonCore    0x97b2bade CallComponent + 151

31 com.apple.CoreServices.CarbonCore    0x97b2bb38 CallComponentDispatch + 29

32 com.apple.QuickTime     0x9077da9f SGSetChannelUsage + 43

33 com.cycling74.jit.qt.grab     0x126e435a jit_qt_grab_start + 161

34 com.cycling74.jit.qt.grab     0x126e6b84 jit_qt_grab_mreset + 388

35 com.cycling74.jit.qt.grab     0x126e6e28 jit_qt_grab_opencomponent + 666

36 com.cycling74.jit.qt.grab     0x126e7075 jit_qt_grab_open + 91

37 com.cycling74.Max     0x000b8431 object_method_typedfun + 101

38 com.cycling74.Max     0x000b85b2 object_method_typed + 169

39 com.cycling74.MaxAPI     0x058753e9 object_method_typed + 89

40 com.cycling74.JitterAPI     0x12f0e670 max_jit_obex_gimmeback_dumpout + 79

41 com.cycling74.JitterAPI     0x12f0f1c1 max_defer_low_method + 162

42 com.cycling74.Max     0x000261cc typedmess_fun + 1050

43 com.cycling74.Max     0x0006c41c outlet_anything + 846

44 com.cycling74.Max     0x000261cc typedmess_fun + 1050

45 com.cycling74.Max     0x00026581 typedmess + 72

46 com.cycling74.Max     0x00027577 aeval + 1288

47 com.cycling74.Max     0x000102d9 atombuf_eval + 145

48 com.cycling74.MaxAPI     0x05873594 atombuf_eval + 84

Here is a crash report if this helps.  Thanks in advance for any help.   -John

Process:         Max [450]
Path:            /Applications/Max6/Max.app/Contents/MacOS/Max
Identifier:      com.cycling74.Max
Version:         6.0.8 [a0c1b20] (6.0.8)
Code Type:       X86 (Native)
Parent Process:  launchd [153]
User ID:         501

Date/Time:       2013-04-24 13:41:25.464 -0700
OS Version:      Mac OS X 10.8.3 (12D78)
Report Version:  10

Interval Since Last Report:          1230687 sec
Crashes Since Last Report:           28
Per-App Interval Since Last Report:  286517 sec
Per-App Crashes Since Last Report:   10
Anonymous UUID:                      0D415904-9788-0BAA-922A-018DFAE12D57

Crashed Thread:  0  Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread

Exception Type:  EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGBUS)
Exception Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE at 0x0000000000000004

VM Regions Near 0x4:
--> __PAGEZERO             0000000000000000-0000000000001000 [    4K] ---/--- SM=NUL  /Applications/Max6/Max.app/Contents/MacOS/Max
    __TEXT                 0000000000001000-0000000000676000 [ 6612K] rwx/rwx SM=COW  /Applications/Max6/Max.app/Contents/MacOS/Max

Thread 0 Crashed:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
0   com.apple.IOFireWireLib       	0x0d3c7c76 IOFireWireLib::LocalIsochPort::ExportDCLs(unsigned int*, unsigned long*) + 1048
1   com.apple.IOFireWireLib       	0x0d3c7548 IOFireWireLib::LocalIsochPort::LocalIsochPort(IUnknownVTbl const&, IOFireWireLib::Device&, bool, DCLCommandStruct*, unsigned long, unsigned long, unsigned long, IOVirtualRange*, unsigned long, IOVirtualRange*, unsigned long, IOFWIsochPortOptions) + 768
2   com.apple.IOFireWireLib       	0x0d3c85d7 IOFireWireLib::LocalIsochPortCOM::Alloc(IOFireWireLib::Device&, unsigned char, DCLCommandStruct*, unsigned long, unsigned long, unsigned long, IOVirtualRange*, unsigned long, IOVirtualRange*, unsigned long, IOFWIsochPortOptions) + 117
3   com.apple.IOFireWireLib       	0x0d3ccfb4 IOFireWireLib::Device::CreateLocalIsochPortWithOptions(unsigned char, DCLCommandStruct*, unsigned long, unsigned long, unsigned long, IOVirtualRange*, unsigned long, IOVirtualRange*, unsigned long, IOFWIsochPortOptions, CFUUIDBytes) + 96
4   com.apple.IOFireWireLib       	0x0d3ce1c8 IOFireWireLib::DeviceCOM::S_CreateLocalIsochPort(IOFireWireDeviceInterface_t**, unsigned char, DCLCommandStruct*, unsigned long, unsigned long, unsigned long, IOVirtualRange*, unsigned long, IOVirtualRange*, unsigned long, CFUUIDBytes) + 114
5   com.apple.QuickTimeIIDCDigitizer	0x0d21f0b0 0xd21e000 + 4272
6   com.apple.QuickTimeIIDCDigitizer	0x0d232ef8 0xd21e000 + 85752
7   com.apple.QuickTimeIIDCDigitizer	0x0d22ac8e 0xd21e000 + 52366
8   com.apple.QuickTimeIIDCDigitizer	0x0d22b371 0xd21e000 + 54129
9   com.apple.QuickTimeIIDCDigitizer	0x0d22af17 0xd21e000 + 53015
10  com.apple.QuickTimeIIDCDigitizer	0x0d22022f 0xd21e000 + 8751
11  com.apple.QuickTimeIIDCDigitizer	0x0d221d5b 0xd21e000 + 15707
12  com.apple.CoreServices.CarbonCore	0x97b2bade CallComponent + 151
13  com.apple.CoreServices.CarbonCore	0x97b2bb38 CallComponentDispatch + 29
14  com.apple.QuickTimeComponents.component	0x96dc9353 0x96228000 + 12194643
15  com.apple.QuickTimeComponents.component	0x96cbb85f 0x96228000 + 11090015
16  com.apple.QuickTimeComponents.component	0x96cbe350 0x96228000 + 11101008
17  com.apple.CoreServices.CarbonCore	0x97bc0a9f callComponentStorage_411 + 34
18  com.apple.CoreServices.CarbonCore	0x97bb1abf CallComponentFunctionCommonWithStorage(char**, ComponentParameters*, long (*)(), unsigned long) + 45
19  com.apple.CoreServices.CarbonCore	0x97bb1aff CallComponentFunctionWithStorageProcInfo + 30
20  com.apple.QuickTimeComponents.component	0x96cbadb1 _SGVideoComponentDispatch + 81
21  com.apple.CoreServices.CarbonCore	0x97b2bade CallComponent + 151
22  com.apple.CoreServices.CarbonCore	0x97b2bb38 CallComponentDispatch + 29
23  com.apple.QuickTimeComponents.component	0x96dca1a5 0x96228000 + 12198309
24  com.apple.QuickTimeComponents.component	0x96cbb109 0x96228000 + 11088137
25  com.apple.QuickTimeComponents.component	0x96cc1354 0x96228000 + 11113300
26  com.apple.CoreServices.CarbonCore	0x97bc0adb callComponentStorage_44 + 25
27  com.apple.CoreServices.CarbonCore	0x97bb1abf CallComponentFunctionCommonWithStorage(char**, ComponentParameters*, long (*)(), unsigned long) + 45
28  com.apple.CoreServices.CarbonCore	0x97bb1aff CallComponentFunctionWithStorageProcInfo + 30
29  com.apple.QuickTimeComponents.component	0x96cbadb1 _SGVideoComponentDispatch + 81
30  com.apple.CoreServices.CarbonCore	0x97b2bade CallComponent + 151
31  com.apple.CoreServices.CarbonCore	0x97b2bb38 CallComponentDispatch + 29
32  com.apple.QuickTime           	0x9077da9f SGSetChannelUsage + 43
33  com.cycling74.jit.qt.grab     	0x126e435a jit_qt_grab_start + 161
34  com.cycling74.jit.qt.grab     	0x126e6b84 jit_qt_grab_mreset + 388
35  com.cycling74.jit.qt.grab     	0x126e6e28 jit_qt_grab_opencomponent + 666
36  com.cycling74.jit.qt.grab     	0x126e7075 jit_qt_grab_open + 91
37  com.cycling74.Max             	0x000b8431 object_method_typedfun + 101
38  com.cycling74.Max             	0x000b85b2 object_method_typed + 169
39  com.cycling74.MaxAPI          	0x058753e9 object_method_typed + 89
40  com.cycling74.JitterAPI       	0x12f0e670 max_jit_obex_gimmeback_dumpout + 79
41  com.cycling74.JitterAPI       	0x12f0f1c1 max_defer_low_method + 162
42  com.cycling74.Max             	0x000261cc typedmess_fun + 1050
43  com.cycling74.Max             	0x0006c41c outlet_anything + 846
44  com.cycling74.Max             	0x000261cc typedmess_fun + 1050
45  com.cycling74.Max             	0x00026581 typedmess + 72
46  com.cycling74.Max             	0x00027577 aeval + 1288
47  com.cycling74.Max             	0x000102d9 atombuf_eval + 145
48  com.cycling74.MaxAPI          	0x05873594 atombuf_eval + 84
49  com.cycling74.message         	0x0cee6753 jmessage_atombuf_eval + 339
50  com.cycling74.message         	0x0cee6e30 jmessage_dobang + 123
51  com.cycling74.message         	0x0cee6f05 jmessage_mousedown + 205
52  com.cycling74.Max             	0x000b8aa5 object_method + 963
53  com.cycling74.Max             	0x000fd194 BoxComponent::sendMouseMessage(juce::MouseEvent const&, symbol*, double, double) + 264
54  com.cycling74.Max             	0x00101457 BoxComponent::mouseDown(juce::MouseEvent const&) + 1247
55  com.cycling74.Max             	0x00330410 juce::Component::internalMouseDown(juce::MouseInputSource&, juce::Point const&, juce::Time const&) + 584
56  com.cycling74.Max             	0x0038e392 juce::MouseInputSourceInternal::sendMouseDown(juce::Component*, juce::Point const&, long long) + 96
57  com.cycling74.Max             	0x0038ea38 juce::MouseInputSourceInternal::setButtons(juce::Point const&, long long, juce::ModifierKeys const&) + 380
58  com.cycling74.Max             	0x0038eb74 juce::MouseInputSourceInternal::handleEvent(juce::ComponentPeer*, juce::Point const&, long long, juce::ModifierKeys const&) + 172
59  com.cycling74.Max             	0x0038dc45 juce::MouseInputSource::handleEvent(juce::ComponentPeer*, juce::Point const&, long long, juce::ModifierKeys const&) + 75
60  com.cycling74.Max             	0x00396289 juce::ComponentPeer::handleMouseEvent(int, juce::Point const&, juce::ModifierKeys const&, long long) + 103
61  com.cycling74.Max             	0x004362df juce::NSViewComponentPeer::sendMouseEvent(NSEvent*) + 113
62  com.cycling74.Max             	0x00436599 juce::NSViewComponentPeer::redirectMouseDown(NSEvent*) + 129
63  com.cycling74.Max             	0x0042b9f3 -[JuceNSView_1_52_105_3 asyncMouseDown:] + 34
64  com.cycling74.Max             	0x0042eade -[JuceNSView_1_52_105_3 mouseDown:] + 52
65  com.apple.AppKit              	0x92228991 -[NSWindow sendEvent:] + 6968
66  com.apple.AppKit              	0x9222397f -[NSApplication sendEvent:] + 4278
67  com.apple.AppKit              	0x9213d69c -[NSApplication run] + 951
68  com.cycling74.Max             	0x0043270f juce::MessageManager::runDispatchLoop() + 731
69  com.cycling74.Max             	0x002c1f02 juce::JUCEApplication::main(juce::StringArray const&) + 68
70  com.cycling74.Max             	0x002c2025 juce::JUCEApplication::main(int, char const**) + 73
71  com.cycling74.Max             	0x0000db8b _start + 209
72  com.cycling74.Max             	0x0000dab9 start + 41


Hi, did you ever get this camera working well with Max? I'm trying to find a similar spec'ed camera that plays nice with Max on macs.

hi,, i had same problem and setting [jit.qt.grab 640 480] solved

don't know, but seems like the crash is because FF is sending 640x480 and jit.qt.grab is trying to get 320x240

but i never try to change size to 320x240 in FlyCapture and see if then jit.qt.grab 320x240 works

if you like to have 60fps send to qt.grab (framerate 60, colormode uyvy) message and then you can go back to argb

don't know, but seems like the crash is because FF is sending 640x480 and jit.qt.grab is trying to get 320x240
but i never try to change size to 320x240 in FlyCapture and see if then jit.qt.grab 320x240 works

do you have the firefly firewire camera? i'm looking for a good camera to use with max.

yes, i use a FireFlyMV2, b&w firewire, and works very well with Max once you know how to make it run…

i choose this model, one year go because its very sensitive to infrared lighting, but if i would need another camera in the future, probably i would check GigE interface (for long distance cabling) and CCD

my main concern with PGR is the lack of FlyCapture config utility for Mac platform, they have only Windows version of the app.

Even so, you can modify parameters using IIDC commands, not so easy but possible… theres other parameters in memory registers (like fps) and i didn't had the time to check how to change them via iidc cmds.

my main concern with PGR is the lack of FlyCapture config utility for Mac platform, they have only Windows version of the app.
Even so, you can modify parameters using IIDC commands, not so easy but possible… theres other parameters in memory registers (like fps) and i didn't had the time to check how to change them via iidc cmds.

Thanks for getting back to me. I'm interested in imaging social dancing and making the video interact with music being played. I think IR would help me but then I would need to provide IR illumination? How would that work within a context where there are many lights around, some even very bright red?

Also, did you end up using C-mount objectives and putting IR filters on them? I'm finding the 1/3" sensor to be a bit small even when I put a 8.5mm c-mount objective on the cameras. I tried some 2/3" sensors and they work better to capture a bigger area with dancers.

I think I may be having the same problem as the original poster but I'm on OS 10.9.3 and using Max 6.1.7. When I try to use a Sony HCR-HD7 (IIDC camera) Max will crash immediately after I hit the open button (using Jitter Tutorial 21, example 1). It will actually work about 8% of the time.

I was just testing something else and when I have a PS Eye plugged in (using this 

 which is working for me in 10.9) the IIDC camera will also work every time without any crashes.

I think I may be having the same problem as the original poster but I'm on OS 10.9.3 and using Max 6.1.7.  When I try to use a Sony HCR-HD7 (IIDC camera) Max will crash immediately after I hit the open button (using Jitter Tutorial 21, example 1).  It will actually work about 8% of the time.

I was just testing something else and when I have a PS Eye plugged in (using this macam driver which is working for me in 10.9) the IIDC camera will also work every time without any crashes.


if you want track in the same area where you do the projections, yes, you need IR lighting basically to make the videoprojection blind to the camera. if you don't track in front of the screen and depending your lighting situation then maybe you don't need infrared.

FireFlyMV2 is CS mount. i use a Fujinon lens: FUYV27X29LR4 very bright and very wide.

and yes i attach in front of the lens a LEE ir filter #87c if i don't remember bad…

Brunatius,
if you want track in the same area where you do the projections, yes, you need IR lighting basically to make the videoprojection blind to the camera. if you don't track in front of the screen and depending your lighting situation then maybe you don't need infrared.

FireFlyMV2 is CS mount. i use a Fujinon lens: FUYV27X29LR4 very bright and very wide.
and yes i attach in front of the lens a LEE ir filter #87c if i don't remember bad…

jit.qt.grab crashes Max on open with IIDC camera connected