mateusz

I am a camera assistant in motion pictures and I see a bright future for Jitter.

I am about to purchase a personal laptop with Windows Vista of the following kind:

I mention this to know if that sounds good to anyone using Jitter extensively.

How are people coping with Jitter on Vista? I saw a few messages but no definite conclusions as to if it works in the long run.

I am about to purchase a personal laptop with Windows Vista of the following kind:
2 GHz either AMD or Intel Duo
2 Gig RAM
500 - 1000 RAM video/graphics dedicated 

How are people coping with Jitter on Vista?  I saw a few messages but no definite conclusions as to if it works in the long run.

jitter-new-windows-vista-laptop

I played around with Jitter on Vista on an AMD desktop a few months ago with an Nvida 6200LE 128MB card in it. I tried to get my fairly complex Max patches running, and was unable to do so reliably. I could the the main, "important" parts going ok (movie playback, videoplane rendering, some shaders), but couldn't get the whole thing going. Crashing and really slow movie playback was the main problem. I spent a bunch of time trying to isolate the problems without much success, and had to move on to other things. I don't use a whole lot of 3rd party externals, but have a few. I couldn't tell if those were responsible or not.

I played around with Jitter on Vista on an AMD desktop a few months ago with an Nvida 6200LE 128MB card in it.  I tried to get my fairly complex Max patches running, and was unable to do so reliably.  I could the the main, "important" parts going ok (movie playback, videoplane rendering, some shaders), but couldn't get the whole thing going. Crashing and really slow movie playback was the main problem.  I spent a bunch of time trying to isolate the problems without much success, and had to move on to other things.  I don't use a whole lot of 3rd party externals, but have a few.  I couldn't tell if those were responsible or not.
For another day, I suppose...

do not buy a vista machine for use with max.

you need to run vista? buy a macbook pro and put it on with bootcamp.

On Oct 25, 2007, at 7:05 PM, mateusz wrote:

> I am a camera assistant in motion pictures and I see a bright 

> I am about to purchase a personal laptop with Windows Vista of the 

> 500 - 1000 RAM video/graphics dedicated

> I mention this to know if that sounds good to anyone using Jitter 

> How are people coping with Jitter on Vista? I saw a few messages 

> but no definite conclusions as to if it works in the long run.

you need to run vista?  buy a macbook pro and put it on with bootcamp.

>
>
> Greetings:
>
> I am a camera assistant in motion pictures and I see a bright  
> future for Jitter.
>
> I am about to purchase a personal laptop with Windows Vista of the  
> following kind:
> 2 GHz either AMD or Intel Duo
> 2 Gig RAM
> 500 - 1000 RAM video/graphics dedicated
>
> I mention this to know if that sounds good to anyone using Jitter  
> extensively.
>
> How are people coping with Jitter on Vista?  I saw a few messages  
> but no definite conclusions as to if it works in the long run.
>
> Thanks,
>
>


i question about bootcamp. does windows bypass the osx completely. there are

several things mac does different with hardware then xp. for example

connecting to usb devices which is slower on mac (see barefeet usb2

benchmarks). any links too will help. i am thinking of making the jump to

macbook pro but several of my hardware are xp specific and it would be a

shame to let them go (unibrain's cameras, imaging source grabber etc.)

> do not buy a vista machine for use with max.

> you need to run vista? buy a macbook pro and put it on with bootcamp.

> On Oct 25, 2007, at 7:05 PM, mateusz wrote:

> > I am a camera assistant in motion pictures and I see a bright

> > I am about to purchase a personal laptop with Windows Vista of the

> > 500 - 1000 RAM video/graphics dedicated

> > I mention this to know if that sounds good to anyone using Jitter

> > How are people coping with Jitter on Vista? I saw a few messages

> > but no definite conclusions as to if it works in the long run.

i question about bootcamp. does windows bypass the osx completely. there are
several things mac does different with hardware then xp. for example
connecting to usb devices which is slower on mac (see barefeet usb2
benchmarks). any links too will help. i am thinking of making the jump to
macbook pro but several of my hardware are xp specific and it would be a
shame to let them go (unibrain's cameras, imaging source grabber etc.)

On 10/26/07, joshua goldberg  wrote:
>
> do not buy a vista machine for use with max.
>
> you need to run vista?  buy a macbook pro and put it on with bootcamp.
>
> j
>
> On Oct 25, 2007, at 7:05 PM, mateusz wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Greetings:
> >
> > I am a camera assistant in motion pictures and I see a bright
> > future for Jitter.
> >
> > I am about to purchase a personal laptop with Windows Vista of the
> > following kind:
> > 2 GHz either AMD or Intel Duo
> > 2 Gig RAM
> > 500 - 1000 RAM video/graphics dedicated
> >
> > I mention this to know if that sounds good to anyone using Jitter
> > extensively.
> >
> > How are people coping with Jitter on Vista?  I saw a few messages
> > but no definite conclusions as to if it works in the long run.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
>
>

they say that any hardware must be mac specific

i was reading yesterday , as im buying a new mac for sister who uses 

On Oct 27, 2007, at 2:25 PM, yair reshef wrote:

> i question about bootcamp. does windows bypass the osx completely. 

> there are several things mac does different with hardware then xp. 

> for example connecting to usb devices which is slower on mac (see 

> barefeet usb2 benchmarks). any links too will help. i am thinking 

> of making the jump to macbook pro but several of my hardware are xp 

> specific and it would be a shame to let them go (unibrain's 

they say that any hardware must be mac specific
i was reading yesterday , as im buying a new mac for sister who uses  
windows also

> i question about bootcamp. does windows bypass the osx completely.  
> there are several things mac does different with hardware then xp.  
> for example connecting to usb devices which is slower on mac (see  
> barefeet usb2 benchmarks). any links too will help. i am thinking  
> of making the jump to macbook pro but several of my hardware are xp  
> specific and it would be a shame to let them go (unibrain's  
> cameras, imaging source grabber etc.)
>
> On 10/26/07, joshua goldberg  wrote:
> do not buy a vista machine for use with max.
>
> you need to run vista?  buy a macbook pro and put it on with bootcamp.
>
> j
>
> On Oct 25, 2007, at 7:05 PM, mateusz wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Greetings:
> >
> > I am a camera assistant in motion pictures and I see a bright
> > future for Jitter.
> >
> > I am about to purchase a personal laptop with Windows Vista of the
> > following kind:
> > 2 GHz either AMD or Intel Duo
> > 2 Gig RAM
> > 500 - 1000 RAM video/graphics dedicated
> >
> > I mention this to know if that sounds good to anyone using Jitter
> > extensively.
> >
> > How are people coping with Jitter on Vista?  I saw a few messages
> > but no definite conclusions as to if it works in the long run.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
>
>


On Oct 27, 2007, at 8:25 AM, yair reshef wrote:

> there are several things mac does different with

Yes, it does. Full installation on a separate partition.

> i question about bootcamp. does windows bypass the osx completely.  
> there are several things mac does different with

Yes, it does.  Full installation on a separate partition.


dan your answer is a bit cryptic, do you mean it is a full fledged

xp-chipset relationship or is it something different. also if im reading

correctly your two messages are contradicting. clarify please, thanks.

> On Oct 27, 2007, at 8:25 AM, yair reshef wrote:

> > i question about bootcamp. does windows bypass the osx completely.

> > there are several things mac does different with

> Yes, it does. Full installation on a separate partition.

dan your answer is a bit cryptic, do you mean it is a full fledged
xp-chipset relationship or is it something different. also if im reading
correctly your two messages are contradicting. clarify please, thanks.

On 10/27/07, Dan Winckler  wrote:
>
>
> On Oct 27, 2007, at 8:25 AM, yair reshef wrote:
>
> > i question about bootcamp. does windows bypass the osx completely.
> > there are several things mac does different with
>
> Yes, it does.  Full installation on a separate partition.
>

Cycling released what they called "Silent" upgrade to Jitter 1.6.3 for Windows in September. Prior to this silent upgrade, there were noticeable performance issues with 1.6.3. on XP. Don't remember the exact date . Perhaps try a new 1.6.3. installer and see if it fixes the speed issue.

I think Josh's point about a "Vista Machine" is that with a Mac someone can run OSX for Max/MSP/Jitter then use Vista for their regular PC work. I've been running the software on a PC with XP for a few years. There have been some minor to medium issues with the XP environment, but overall it's been a fine experience.

Up until Mac went with Intel, PC hardware provided much more horsepower in my experience for Quicktime-based video than any Mac I tried. I'm putting my XP laptop against a MacBook Pro over the next week to see if the new Mac chips even-out the platforms.

Cycling released what they called "Silent" upgrade to Jitter 1.6.3 for Windows in September.  Prior to this silent upgrade, there were noticeable performance issues with 1.6.3. on XP.  Don't remember the exact date .  Perhaps try a new 1.6.3. installer and see if it fixes the speed issue.

I think Josh's point about a "Vista Machine" is that with a Mac someone can run OSX for Max/MSP/Jitter then use Vista for their regular PC work.  I've been running the software on a PC with XP for a few years.  There have been some minor to medium issues with the XP environment, but overall it's been a fine experience.

Up until Mac went with Intel, PC hardware provided much more horsepower in my experience for Quicktime-based video than any Mac I tried.  I'm putting my XP laptop against a MacBook Pro over the next week to see if the new Mac chips even-out the platforms.

vista has resulted in inconsistent window behavior in the max 

application on the two student laptops that i have seen it.

leopard looks + feels great so far on my 2.16 macbook pro.

vista has resulted in inconsistent window behavior in the max  
application on the two student laptops that i have seen it.

leopard looks + feels great so far on my 2.16 macbook pro.


"vista has resulted in inconsistent window behavior in the max

application on the two student laptops that i have seen it."

You're more than welcome to document any issues you see and let us know about them.

"vista has resulted in inconsistent window behavior in the max
application on the two student laptops that i have seen it."

On Oct 28, 2007, at 2:00 PM, yair reshef wrote:

> thanks, that what i was wanted to hear.

> ... do cycling test their xp code on bootcamped macs?

I have it on good authority that Cycling tests all their Windows code 

> thanks, that what i was wanted to hear.
>
>
> ... do cycling test their xp code on bootcamped macs?
>

I have it on good authority that Cycling tests all their Windows code  
on a Cray cluster.


All the basic functions of Jitter (tutorial samples) seem to work on this PC laptop I am testing (Acer Aspire 5570: 2Ghz, 1G RAM) with Vista. All I needed was the free downloads of Java 2 JRE and Quicktime.

Jitter / new Windows Vista laptop