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					<title><![CDATA[[key]: many letters at the same time]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>jerzy</dc:creator>

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						<p>Hi maxers,</p>
<p>My problem:<br />
- I&#8217;m working to prototype a musical interface in MaxMSP that heavily<br />
relies on the QWERTY keyboard.<br />
- The interface involves many QWERTY keys being pressed &#8220;at once&#8221;<br />
- [key] works reliably for 1 key &#8220;at a time,&#8221; no problems<br />
- when I introduce 2-6 keys being pressed &#8220;at once,&#8221; there are various<br />
lags that occur with [key].<br />
- specifically, if I connect [key] to [print] and press 6 keys, 1 of 6<br />
of the keys will come immediately; the remaining 5 keys will show up<br />
all at once, about 200 milliseconds later. For this test, I&#8217;m printing<br />
directly to the &#8220;Max window&#8221;. In short, one key comes out immediately,<br />
then the rest show up.<br />
- 6 keys &#8220;at the same time&#8221; seems to be the most [key] can handle;<br />
with 7 keys, it drops one of them out pretty consistently<br />
- I know about ice.key as a [key] alternative, but I emailed them &#038; it<br />
is unclear when the Max5 version will be released&#8230;so maybe a<br />
solution lies within ice.key&#8230;<br />
- Is this &#8220;problem&#8221; an OS X limitation? Interestingly, in TextMate I<br />
can type 6 letters at a time, and all 6 show up immediately.<br />
- can any windows users comment on how many keys can be pressed at once?<br />
- searched the mailing list; couldn&#8217;t find anything relevant to this problem</p>
<p>Specifics:<br />
- OS X, Leopard 10.5.5, running on MacPro and MacBookPro, Max v. 5.0.5<br />
- overdrive is on</p>
<p>Question:<br />
How can I get 6 key messages out of [key] &#8220;concurrently&#8221;?</p>
<p>I really need this to work &#8212; somehow, anyhow &#8212; for a project due in<br />
two weeks, so i really appreciate the help!</p>
<p>thanks,<br />
Jerzy Gangi</p>
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					<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Eli</dc:creator>

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						<p>Work with the [poly] object! You want a polyphonic keyboard. 200 ms is a long time, that sounds odd to me.</p>
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					<title><![CDATA[Re: [key]: many letters at the same time]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Kasper</dc:creator>

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						<p>>Work with the [poly] object! You want a polyphonic keyboard. 200 ms <br />
>is a long time, that sounds odd to me.</p>
<p>wasn&#8217;t there an objet, kind of &#8220;super-key&#8221; with ICE (a lib written by <br />
peter castine which , i think, is freeware now)?</p>
<p>best</p>
<p>kasper<br />
&#8211; <br />
  Kasper T. Toeplitz<br />
noise, composition, bass, computer</p>
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					<title><![CDATA[Re: [key]: many letters at the same time]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 23:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Antoine Villeret</dc:creator>

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						<p>hi jerzy,</p>
<p>just to let you know, I tried it on Windows XP<br />
i can press 4 key at the same time but with 5 or more just one is sent<br />
and it works in the same way in a text editor&#8230;</p>
<p>best </p>
<p>antoine</p>
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					<title><![CDATA[Re: [key]: many letters at the same time]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 07:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>stefantiedje</dc:creator>

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					<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Peter Castine</dc:creator>

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						<p>Quote: jerzy wrote on Sun, 28 December 2008 22:31<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
> Question:<br />
> How can I get 6 key messages out of [key] &#8220;concurrently&#8221;?</p>
<p>Most commercial keyboards simply won&#8217;t do this. The hardware/firmware is built around the notion that people will be *typing* on the keyboard and typists don&#8217;t normally need or want more than one keystroke at a time. The original Mac spec&#8217;d keyboards to be able to track a maximum of 3 simultaneous key presses (plus any combination of modifier keys). The spec was upped to 5 simultaneous keys depressed about a decade ago. TTBOMK that&#8217;s still all that&#8217;s required of a keyboard, although Stefan&#8217;s experiments indicate that Apple has gone further with some of their hardware.</p>
<p>I do remember hearing of a 3rd party ADB keyboard that handled more than the minimum spec, but I have no idea who the manufacturer was. The fact that it was ADB is an indication of how long ago this was.</p>
<p>So the short answer is: depends on your hardware.</p>
<p>As to the software side: I normally use ice.key from iCE Tools for piano-keyboard emulation stuff. But I would say that, wouldn&#8217;t I?</p>
<p>Good luck with your project,<br />
&#8211; P</p>
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