list in right inlet, index newval in left inlet?

Mar 8, 2008 at 4:39pm

list in right inlet, index newval in left inlet?

Every now and then, the lack of existence of a certain object is surprising.

Is there a max objectt which does the following…
It simply modifies elements of a list by index.

a list comes in the right inlet:
11 22 33 44 55

now, you send 2 777 into the left inlet, it becomes:
11 777 33 44 55

And bang to get the stored list out.

Oddly enough I found something in LObjects documentation which does exactly this… it’s called Lformat.
But it doesn’t exist! It’s missing…

- Glot

#36267
Mar 8, 2008 at 4:49pm

The object you want to use is zl. Here is an example taken from the help file modified to to the example you gave.

max v2;
#N vpatcher 354 161 954 561;
#P window setfont “Sans Serif” 9.;
#P window linecount 1;
#P message 158 70 37 196617 2 777;
#P newex 125 171 32 196617 print;
#P newex 100 143 35 196617 zl nth;
#B color 5;
#P message 36 70 82 196617 11 22 33 44 55;
#P newex 100 116 35 196617 t b l;
#P message 280 70 31 196617 2 22;
#P comment 34 56 74 196617 initial meesage;
#P window linecount 2;
#P comment 150 45 100 196617 replace second entry with 777;
#P comment 278 43 100 196617 revert second entry to original;
#P connect 8 0 4 0;
#P connect 3 0 4 0;
#P connect 4 0 6 0;
#P connect 5 0 6 0;
#P connect 4 1 6 1;
#P connect 6 1 7 0;
#P pop;

#124330
Mar 8, 2008 at 5:01pm

i dont want zl

#124331
Mar 8, 2008 at 5:11pm

what!? it does *exactly* what you specified.
did you even look at the posted patch?

if it doesn’t work for you, then describe exactly why it doesn’t work for you if you expect to get further suggestions.

#124332
Mar 8, 2008 at 5:22pm

I wrote this post because ZL NTH is incapable of doing what I asked in the post without a bunch of junk code surrounding it.

#124333
Mar 8, 2008 at 7:10pm

On 8 mars 08, at 18:22, Glot wrote:

> I wrote this post because ZL NTH is incapable of doing what I asked
> in the post without a bunch of junk code surrounding it.

And do you tolerate Google ?

#124334
Mar 8, 2008 at 8:25pm

Quote: robtherich wrote on Sat, 08 March 2008 10:11
—————————————————-
> what!? it does *exactly* what you specified.
> did you even look at the posted patch?

Rob,

Here’s the solution I was trying to avoid.
If you go back and re-read my post, think about it, and look at the solution, you will see why you were wrong.

- G

listrep.pat:
#P window setfont “Sans Serif” 10.;
#P window linecount 1;
#P newex 71 157 27 9109514 t l b;
#P newex 54 226 27 9109514 !=;
#P newex 54 204 29 9109514 int 0;
#P newex 95 204 29 9109514 gate;
#P newex 15 76 29 9109514 t b 1;
#P newex 131 76 60 9109514 t l zlclear 0;
#P newex 119 125 29 9109514 gate;
#P newex 47 76 83 9109514 t b l 0;
#P inlet 131 37 15 0;
#P newex 15 54 75 9109514 route bang list;
#P outlet 119 147 15 0;
#P inlet 15 37 15 0;
#P newex 47 125 34 9109514 zl nth;
#P connect 1 0 3 0;
#P connect 3 0 8 0;
#P connect 3 1 5 0;
#P connect 5 0 0 0;
#P fasten 7 1 0 0 161 103 52 103;
#P lcolor 4;
#P fasten 7 0 0 0 136 103 52 103;
#P lcolor 8;
#P fasten 9 0 0 0 100 260 39 260 39 118 52 118;
#P fasten 8 0 0 0 20 103 52 103;
#P lcolor 14;
#P connect 12 1 10 0;
#P connect 10 0 11 0;
#P connect 5 1 0 1;
#P connect 0 1 12 0;
#P fasten 11 0 10 1 59 252 88 252 88 197 78 197;
#P fasten 11 0 9 0 59 252 88 252 88 197 100 197;
#P fasten 7 2 9 0 186 190 100 190;
#P connect 12 0 9 1;
#P connect 7 2 6 0;
#P connect 5 2 6 0;
#P fasten 8 1 6 0 39 111 124 111;
#P lcolor 6;
#P connect 6 0 2 0;
#P connect 4 0 7 0;
#P fasten 0 1 6 1 76 151 87 151 87 118 143 118;
#P lcolor 14;
#P window clipboard copycount 13;

example.pat:
#P window setfont “Sans Serif” 10.;
#P window linecount 1;
#P message 275 163 89 9109514 111 222 333 444;
#P message 219 135 29 9109514 1 22;
#P button 233 186 15 0;
#P message 249 135 35 9109514 3 777;
#P newex 249 206 29 9109514 print;
#P newex 249 184 36 9109514 listrep;
#P connect 5 0 0 1;
#P connect 0 0 1 0;
#P connect 2 0 0 0;
#P connect 3 0 0 0;
#P connect 4 0 0 0;
#P window clipboard copycount 6;

#124335
Mar 8, 2008 at 8:53pm

i’m sorry but I don’t follow. zl nth really does exactly what you
want…send a list of index and new value in the right inlet, list you
wish to alter in the left, and you have the exact solution you were
asking for. the patch earlier in this thread does exactly the same
thing yours does. in fact the help patch for zl does exactly the same
thing your patch does…with only 2 objects (see subpatch in help
called more…).

On Mar 8, 2008, at 12:25 PM, Glot wrote:

>
> Quote: robtherich wrote on Sat, 08 March 2008 10:11
> —————————————————-
>> what!? it does *exactly* what you specified.
>> did you even look at the posted patch?
>
> Rob,
>
> Here’s the solution I was trying to avoid.
> If you go back and re-read my post, think about it, and look at the
> solution, you will see why you were wrong.
>
> – G
>
> listrep.pat:
> #P window setfont “Sans Serif” 10.;
> #P window linecount 1;
> #P newex 71 157 27 9109514 t l b;
> #P newex 54 226 27 9109514 !=;
> #P newex 54 204 29 9109514 int 0;
> #P newex 95 204 29 9109514 gate;
> #P newex 15 76 29 9109514 t b 1;
> #P newex 131 76 60 9109514 t l zlclear 0;
> #P newex 119 125 29 9109514 gate;
> #P newex 47 76 83 9109514 t b l 0;
> #P inlet 131 37 15 0;
> #P newex 15 54 75 9109514 route bang list;
> #P outlet 119 147 15 0;
> #P inlet 15 37 15 0;
> #P newex 47 125 34 9109514 zl nth;
> #P connect 1 0 3 0;
> #P connect 3 0 8 0;
> #P connect 3 1 5 0;
> #P connect 5 0 0 0;
> #P fasten 7 1 0 0 161 103 52 103;
> #P lcolor 4;
> #P fasten 7 0 0 0 136 103 52 103;
> #P lcolor 8;
> #P fasten 9 0 0 0 100 260 39 260 39 118 52 118;
> #P fasten 8 0 0 0 20 103 52 103;
> #P lcolor 14;
> #P connect 12 1 10 0;
> #P connect 10 0 11 0;
> #P connect 5 1 0 1;
> #P connect 0 1 12 0;
> #P fasten 11 0 10 1 59 252 88 252 88 197 78 197;
> #P fasten 11 0 9 0 59 252 88 252 88 197 100 197;
> #P fasten 7 2 9 0 186 190 100 190;
> #P connect 12 0 9 1;
> #P connect 7 2 6 0;
> #P connect 5 2 6 0;
> #P fasten 8 1 6 0 39 111 124 111;
> #P lcolor 6;
> #P connect 6 0 2 0;
> #P connect 4 0 7 0;
> #P fasten 0 1 6 1 76 151 87 151 87 118 143 118;
> #P lcolor 14;
> #P window clipboard copycount 13;
>
> example.pat:
> #P window setfont “Sans Serif” 10.;
> #P window linecount 1;
> #P message 275 163 89 9109514 111 222 333 444;
> #P message 219 135 29 9109514 1 22;
> #P button 233 186 15 0;
> #P message 249 135 35 9109514 3 777;
> #P newex 249 206 29 9109514 print;
> #P newex 249 184 36 9109514 listrep;
> #P connect 5 0 0 1;
> #P connect 0 0 1 0;
> #P connect 2 0 0 0;
> #P connect 3 0 0 0;
> #P connect 4 0 0 0;
> #P window clipboard copycount 6;

#124336
Mar 8, 2008 at 9:35pm

> Rob,
>
> Here’s the solution I was trying to avoid.
> If you go back and re-read my post, think about it, and look at the solution, you will see why you were wrong.

Glot. it is not mine or anybody else’s job to think about the implicit message in your post. you asked for something very specific, and a solution was provided which addressed your needs as described in your post. if the solution was not satisfactory, then my advice to you would be to thank the person who offered the solution, and then describe why it doesn’t work.
otherwise good luck getting any help in the forum with the attitude you’ve exhibited so far.

hope you get it figured out.
-rob

#124337
Mar 8, 2008 at 9:50pm

Quote: robtherich wrote on Sat, 08 March 2008 14:35
—————————————————-
> > Rob,
> >
> > Here’s the solution I was trying to avoid.
who offered the solution, and then describe why it doesn’t work.
> otherwise good luck getting any help in the forum with the attitude you’ve exhibited so far.
>
etc blah blah

You
1) didn’t think through the issues of zl nth clearly
2) aren’t familiar with the zl object
3) didn’t read my post

I described explicitly the required behaviour, but your definition of “exact” means “vaguely similar.”

There was a missing wire in the patch I posted due to trying to format it for the forum to not use third party objects. I’ve updated it to provide an “*exactly*” demonstration to show why you are wrong and unfamiliar with zl nth.

I have outlined the order that you need to press the buttons in. Follow the 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 comments and click them in that order.

Try the example, become more familiar and learn a bit about zl nth, then re-read my post and then you’ll get it and see that my description was explicit.

listrep.pat:

#P window setfont “Sans Serif” 10.;
#P window linecount 1;
#P newex 71 157 27 9109514 t l b;
#P newex 47 238 27 9109514 != 1;
#P newex 47 204 29 9109514 int 0;
#P newex 88 203 29 9109514 gate;
#P newex 15 76 29 9109514 t b 1;
#P newex 140 76 60 9109514 t l zlclear 0;
#P newex 129 125 29 9109514 gate;
#P newex 47 76 92 9109514 t b l 0;
#P inlet 140 37 15 0;
#P newex 15 54 75 9109514 route bang list;
#P outlet 129 147 15 0;
#P inlet 15 37 15 0;
#P newex 47 125 34 9109514 zl nth;
#P connect 1 0 3 0;
#P connect 3 0 8 0;
#P connect 3 1 5 0;
#P fasten 9 0 0 0 93 272 39 272 39 118 52 118;
#P fasten 8 0 0 0 20 103 52 103;
#P lcolor 14;
#P fasten 7 0 0 0 145 103 52 103;
#P lcolor 8;
#P fasten 7 1 0 0 170 103 52 103;
#P lcolor 4;
#P connect 5 0 0 0;
#P connect 12 1 10 0;
#P connect 10 0 11 0;
#P fasten 11 0 10 1 52 264 81 264 81 197 71 197;
#P connect 5 1 0 1;
#P connect 0 1 12 0;
#P fasten 7 2 9 0 195 197 93 197;
#P fasten 11 0 9 0 52 264 81 264 81 197 93 197;
#P connect 12 0 9 1;
#P fasten 10 0 6 0 52 231 123 231 123 118 134 118;
#P connect 7 2 6 0;
#P fasten 8 1 6 0 39 111 134 111;
#P lcolor 6;
#P connect 5 2 6 0;
#P connect 6 0 2 0;
#P connect 4 0 7 0;
#P fasten 0 1 6 1 76 151 87 151;
#P lcolor 14;
#P window clipboard copycount 13;

FollowTheOrder.pat:

#P window setfont “Sans Serif” 10.;
#P window linecount 1;
#P comment 330 240 14 9109514 6;
#P comment 346 160 14 9109514 5;
#P newex 376 238 34 9109514 zl reg;
#P comment 132 206 14 9109514 5;
#P comment 133 156 14 9109514 4;
#P comment 147 206 14 9109514 3;
#P comment 214 156 14 9109514 2;
#P comment 294 184 14 9109514 1;
#P comment 385 179 14 9109514 4;
#P comment 345 240 14 9109514 3;
#P comment 361 160 14 9109514 2;
#P button 360 240 15 0;
#P newex 376 260 29 9109514 print;
#P message 400 178 29 9109514 1 22;
#P message 430 178 35 9109514 3 777;
#P message 376 159 89 9109514 111 222 333 444;
#P newex 376 212 34 9109514 zl nth;
#P message 204 183 89 9109514 111 222 333 444;
#P message 148 155 29 9109514 1 22;
#P button 162 206 15 0;
#P message 178 155 35 9109514 3 777;
#P newex 178 226 29 9109514 print;
#P newex 178 204 36 9109514 listrep;
#P comment 466 179 14 9109514 1;
#P connect 21 0 11 0;
#P connect 12 0 21 0;
#P connect 7 1 21 1;
#P connect 6 0 1 1;
#P connect 1 0 2 0;
#P connect 3 0 1 0;
#P connect 4 0 1 0;
#P connect 5 0 1 0;
#P connect 9 0 7 1;
#P connect 10 0 7 1;
#P connect 8 0 7 0;
#P window clipboard copycount 24;

#124338
Mar 8, 2008 at 10:40pm

For what it’s worth, I understand the difference between the two
examples in your patch. Yours retains the first changes made when
making the second changes, the other example does not.

What I’m having trouble understanding is your hostile attitude to
someone who tried to help. It would have been very simple, not to
mention courteous, to simply explain where the provided patch didn’t
meet your needs and thank him for his attempt anyway, right in the
first reply. The rest just seems both needless and counter-productive
to me.

I like the fact that this list is here, and that folks enjoy trying
to help each other out. Let’s try and keep it that way, please.

On Mar 8, 2008, at 2:50 PM, Glot wrote:

>
> You
> 1) didn’t think through the issues of zl nth clearly
> 2) aren’t familiar with the zl object
> 3) didn’t read my post
>
> I described explicitly the required behaviour, but your definition
> of “exact” means “vaguely similar.”
>
> There was a missing wire in the patch I posted due to trying to
> format it for the forum to not use third party objects. I’ve
> updated it to provide an “*exactly*” demonstration to show why you
> are wrong and unfamiliar with zl nth.
>
> I have outlined the order that you need to press the buttons in.
> Follow the 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 comments and click them in that order.
>
> Try the example, become more familiar and learn a bit about zl nth,
> then re-read my post and then you’ll get it and see that my
> description was explicit.

—-
Steven M. Miller
Professor, Contemporary Music Program
College of Santa Fe

Home < http://pubweb.csf.edu/~smill>
SFIFEM <
http://sfifem.csf.edu>
Atrium Sound Space <
http://atrium.csf.edu>
OVOS <
http://pubweb.csf.edu/~smill/ovos.html>
CMP <
http://www.csf.edu/academics/contemporary_music/>

#124339
Mar 8, 2008 at 10:44pm

This one is for the courteous ones – others… please don’t copy it.

#P window setfont “Sans Serif” 9.;
#P window linecount 1;
#P comment 64 28 14 196617 4;
#P comment 6 44 14 196617 5;
#P comment 21 44 14 196617 3;
#P comment 109 63 14 196617 2;
#N vpatcher 20 74 199 321;
#P window setfont “Sans Serif” 9.;
#P newex 26 55 57 196617 route bang;
#P newex 26 155 120 196617 zl reg;
#P newex 73 76 35 196617 t b l;
#P newex 73 97 52 196617 zl reg;
#P newex 73 118 35 196617 zl nth;
#P inlet 26 22 15 0;
#P inlet 115 22 15 0;
#P outlet 26 197 15 0;
#P connect 2 0 7 0;
#P connect 7 0 6 0;
#P connect 6 0 0 0;
#P connect 7 1 5 0;
#P connect 5 0 4 0;
#P connect 4 0 3 0;
#P connect 5 1 3 1;
#P connect 1 0 4 1;
#P connect 6 0 4 1;
#P connect 1 0 6 1;
#P connect 3 1 6 1;
#P pop;
#P newobj 57 113 48 196617 p affable;
#P button 36 43 15 0;
#P newex 57 140 32 196617 print;
#P message 70 62 37 196617 3 777;
#P message 57 43 31 196617 1 22;
#P message 95 90 91 196617 111 222 333 444;
#P comment 139 74 14 196617 1;
#P connect 1 0 6 1;
#P connect 6 0 4 0;
#P connect 5 0 6 0;
#P connect 3 0 6 0;
#P connect 2 0 6 0;
#P window clipboard copycount 11;

#124340
Mar 8, 2008 at 11:21pm

Quote: Manuel Poletti wrote on Sat, 08 March 2008 15:44
—————————————————-
> This one is for the courteous ones – others… please don’t copy it.
>

Manuel,

This example doesn’t remember the changes.

#124341
Mar 8, 2008 at 11:37pm

Manuel,

a fix to your patch posted,

#P window setfont “Sans Serif” 9.;
#P window linecount 1;
#P comment 39 42 14 9109513 4;
#P comment 21 107 14 9109513 5;
#P comment 36 107 14 9109513 3;
#P comment 99 61 14 9109513 2;
#N vpatcher 220 270 378 512;
#P window setfont “Sans Serif” 9.;
#P newex 15 51 57 9109513 route bang;
#P newex 15 176 90 9109513 zl reg;
#P newex 62 72 43 9109513 t b l;
#P newex 62 114 30 9109513 zl reg;
#P newex 62 135 43 9109513 zl nth;
#P inlet 15 34 15 0;
#P inlet 113 34 15 0;
#P outlet 15 197 15 0;
#P connect 2 0 7 0;
#P connect 7 0 6 0;
#P connect 6 0 0 0;
#P connect 7 1 5 0;
#P connect 5 0 4 0;
#P connect 4 0 3 0;
#P fasten 3 1 4 1 100 161 110 161 110 105 87 105;
#P fasten 1 0 4 1 118 97 87 97;
#P connect 5 1 3 1;
#P connect 3 1 6 1;
#P fasten 1 0 6 1 118 168 100 168;
#P pop;
#P newobj 67 105 42 9109513 p grump;
#P button 51 107 15 0;
#P newex 67 127 32 9109513 print;
#P message 67 60 31 9109513 3 777;
#P message 54 41 26 9109513 1 22;
#P message 99 86 77 9109513 111 222 333 444;
#P comment 177 87 14 9109513 1;
#P connect 2 0 6 0;
#P connect 3 0 6 0;
#P connect 5 0 6 0;
#P connect 6 0 4 0;
#P connect 1 0 6 1;
#P window clipboard copycount 11;

#124342
Mar 8, 2008 at 11:40pm

Hey Glot… happy maxing.

On 9 mars 08, at 00:21, Glot wrote:

> This example doesn’t remember the changes.

#124343
Mar 8, 2008 at 11:40pm

On my machine (MacBook Pro, OSX 10.4.11, MaxMSP 4.6.3), the results
of Manuel’s patch are identical to the results of yours when I follow
the numbered steps in each case. How do your results differ, or what
steps other than the specified numbers produce different results?

On Mar 8, 2008, at 4:21 PM, Glot wrote:

>
> Quote: Manuel Poletti wrote on Sat, 08 March 2008 15:44
> —————————————————-
>> This one is for the courteous ones – others… please don’t copy it.
>>
>
> Manuel,
>
> This example doesn’t remember the changes.

—-
Steven M. Miller
Professor, Contemporary Music Program
College of Santa Fe

Home < http://pubweb.csf.edu/~smill>
SFIFEM <
http://sfifem.csf.edu>
Atrium Sound Space <
http://atrium.csf.edu>
OVOS <
http://pubweb.csf.edu/~smill/ovos.html>
CMP <
http://www.csf.edu/academics/contemporary_music/>

#124344
Mar 8, 2008 at 11:48pm

Steven,

Try this on Manuel’s original,

Click in the order
1, 2, 4, 5

- G

#124345
Mar 8, 2008 at 11:50pm

three objects: “t b l”, “zl nth”, “zl reg”

On Mar 8, 2008, at 3:21 PM, Glot wrote:

>
> Quote: Manuel Poletti wrote on Sat, 08 March 2008 15:44
> —————————————————-
>> This one is for the courteous ones – others… please don’t copy it.
>>
>
> Manuel,
>
> This example doesn’t remember the changes.
>
>

#124346
Mar 8, 2008 at 11:55pm

OK, what am I missing? I see the change in the subpatch routing, but
once again the results are identical to your previous one and
Manuel’s as far as I can tell.

On Mar 8, 2008, at 4:37 PM, Glot wrote:

>
> Manuel,
>
> a fix to your patch posted,

—-
Steven M. Miller
Professor, Contemporary Music Program
College of Santa Fe

Home < http://pubweb.csf.edu/~smill>
SFIFEM <
http://sfifem.csf.edu>
Atrium Sound Space <
http://atrium.csf.edu>
OVOS <
http://pubweb.csf.edu/~smill/ovos.html>
CMP <
http://www.csf.edu/academics/contemporary_music/>

#124347
Mar 9, 2008 at 12:11am

Steven,

If you press it in the order 1, 2, 4, 5… leaving out step 3 (the bang in between), then the changes (777 being put into position 3) are lost.

- G

#124348
Mar 9, 2008 at 12:41am

Glot,

I just wanted to let you know that after reading this thread, I personally don’t feel like ever trying to help you in any way.

I hope you realize that by acting so ungrateful, hostile, arrogant and downright rude you efficiently convinced many of the hundreds of knowledgeable, helpful and above all _friendly_ people on this list to further ignore you.

Good luck with your issues – I don’t mean the Max ones.

kjg

#124349
Mar 9, 2008 at 12:47am

Quote: kjg wrote on Sat, 08 March 2008 17:41
—————————————————-
> Glot,
>
> I just wanted to let you know that after reading this thread, I personally don’t feel like ever trying to help you in any way.
>
> I hope you realize that by acting so ungrateful, hostile, arrogant and downright rude you efficiently convinced many of the hundreds of knowledgeable, helpful and above all _friendly_ people on this list to further ignore you.
>
> Good luck with your issues – I don’t mean the Max ones.
>
> kjg
—————————————————-

Too bad for me, rofl

#124350
Mar 9, 2008 at 12:47am

Got it, thanks. See what I get for following directions…

On Mar 8, 2008, at 5:11 PM, Glot wrote:

>
> Steven,
>
> If you press it in the order 1, 2, 4, 5… leaving out step 3 (the
> bang in between), then the changes (777 being put into position 3)
> are lost.
>
> – G

—-
Steven M. Miller
Professor, Contemporary Music Program
College of Santa Fe

Home < http://pubweb.csf.edu/~smill>
SFIFEM <
http://sfifem.csf.edu>
Atrium Sound Space <
http://atrium.csf.edu>
OVOS <
http://pubweb.csf.edu/~smill/ovos.html>
CMP <
http://www.csf.edu/academics/contemporary_music/>

#124351
Mar 9, 2008 at 1:04am

I would have helped.

On 09/03/2008, Klaas-Jan Govaart wrote:
>
>
> Glot,
>
> I just wanted to let you know that after reading this thread, I personally
> don’t feel like ever trying to help you in any way.
>
> I hope you realize that by acting so ungrateful, hostile, arrogant and
> downright rude you efficiently convinced many of the hundreds of
> knowledgeable, helpful and above all _friendly_ people on this list to
> further ignore you.
>
> Good luck with your issues – I don’t mean the Max ones.
>
>
> kjg
>
>

#124352
Mar 9, 2008 at 3:16am

I guess I still don’t understand the hostility. It makes no sense to
me to intentionally antagonize people who you have asked for help.
What’s the point of asking for help and then being ungrateful and
rude in return?

On Mar 8, 2008, at 5:47 PM, Glot wrote:

>
> Quote: kjg wrote on Sat, 08 March 2008 17:41
> —————————————————-
>> Glot,
>>
>> I just wanted to let you know that after reading this thread, I
>> personally don’t feel like ever trying to help you in any way.
>>
>> I hope you realize that by acting so ungrateful, hostile, arrogant
>> and downright rude you efficiently convinced many of the hundreds
>> of knowledgeable, helpful and above all _friendly_ people on this
>> list to further ignore you.
>>
>> Good luck with your issues – I don’t mean the Max ones.
>>
>> kjg
> —————————————————-
>
> Too bad for me, rofl

—-
Steven M. Miller
Professor, Contemporary Music Program
College of Santa Fe

Home < http://pubweb.csf.edu/~smill>
SFIFEM <
http://sfifem.csf.edu>
Atrium Sound Space <
http://atrium.csf.edu>
OVOS <
http://pubweb.csf.edu/~smill/ovos.html>
CMP <
http://www.csf.edu/academics/contemporary_music/>

#124353
Mar 10, 2008 at 8:50pm

Steven Miller wrote:

> I guess I still don’t understand the hostility.

You’re not alone. I don’t understand it either.

However, it might be easier to understand once you realize that “Glot”
is actually the troll formerly known as “Zola”.

I want everyone to remember that the best policy here is to not feed
trolls. If anyone finds Glot/Zola’s behavior unappealing, please don’t
post your disapproval, because honestly, trolls thrive on you posting
your disapproval. Just ignore them.

cheers

w

#124354
Mar 10, 2008 at 9:33pm

Wallace,

The policy makes sense to me.

On a practical level, however, it’s not so easy. Trolls rarely
announce themselves as such with the first post. It usually takes a
few posts to ferret out the weasels, meaning they’ve usually already
been fed at least a few scraps before they can be identified. Oh
well, file it under ‘imperfect world’ and carry on…

Thanks,

Steven

On Mar 10, 2008, at 2:50 PM, Wallace Winfrey wrote:

> Steven Miller wrote:
>
>> I guess I still don’t understand the hostility.
>
> You’re not alone. I don’t understand it either.
>
> However, it might be easier to understand once you realize that
> “Glot” is actually the troll formerly known as “Zola”.
>
> I want everyone to remember that the best policy here is to not
> feed trolls. If anyone finds Glot/Zola’s behavior unappealing,
> please don’t post your disapproval, because honestly, trolls thrive
> on you posting your disapproval. Just ignore them.

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Mar 10, 2008 at 10:15pm

> …it might be easier to understand once you realize that “Glot”
> is actually the troll formerly known as “Zola”.

Oh, right.

*plonk*

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Steven Miller schrieb:
> Wallace,
>
> The policy makes sense to me.
>
> On a practical level, however, it’s not so easy. Trolls rarely announce
> themselves as such with the first post.

But on the second it is fine enough, because the first answer will be
still helpful for non-trolls as it was in this case…

Stefan


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