Glot

Every now and then, the lack of existence of a certain object is surprising.

Is there a max objectt which does the following...

It simply modifies elements of a list by index.

now, you send 2 777 into the left inlet, it becomes:

Oddly enough I found something in LObjects documentation which does exactly this... it's called Lformat.

Is there a max objectt which does the following...
It simply modifies elements of a list by index.

a list comes in the right inlet:
11 22 33 44 55

now, you send 2 777 into the left inlet, it becomes:
11 777 33 44 55

Oddly enough I found something in LObjects documentation which does exactly this... it's called Lformat.
But it doesn't exist! It's missing...

list-in-right-inlet-index-newval-in-left-inlet

The object you want to use is zl. Here is an example taken from the help file modified to to the example you gave.

what!? it does *exactly* what you specified.

if it doesn't work for you, then describe exactly why it doesn't work for you if you expect to get further suggestions.

what!?  it does *exactly* what you specified.
did you even look at the posted patch?

if it doesn't work for you, then describe exactly why it doesn't work for you if you expect to get further suggestions.


I wrote this post because ZL NTH is incapable of doing what I asked in the post without a bunch of junk code surrounding it.

> I wrote this post because ZL NTH is incapable of doing what I asked 

> in the post without a bunch of junk code surrounding it.

> I wrote this post because ZL NTH is incapable of doing what I asked  
> in the post without a bunch of junk code surrounding it.

Quote: robtherich wrote on Sat, 08 March 2008 10:11

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> what!? it does *exactly* what you specified.

Here's the solution I was trying to avoid.

If you go back and re-read my post, think about it, and look at the solution, you will see why you were wrong.

Quote: robtherich wrote on Sat, 08 March 2008 10:11
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> what!?  it does *exactly* what you specified.
> did you even look at the posted patch?

Here's the solution I was trying to avoid.
If you go back and re-read my post, think about it, and look at the solution, you will see why you were wrong.

i'm sorry but I don't follow. zl nth really does exactly what you 

want...send a list of index and new value in the right inlet, list you 

wish to alter in the left, and you have the exact solution you were 

asking for. the patch earlier in this thread does exactly the same 

thing yours does. in fact the help patch for zl does exactly the same 

thing your patch does...with only 2 objects (see subpatch in help 

> Quote: robtherich wrote on Sat, 08 March 2008 10:11

> ----------------------------------------------------

>> what!? it does *exactly* what you specified.

>> did you even look at the posted patch?

> Here's the solution I was trying to avoid.

> If you go back and re-read my post, think about it, and look at the 

> solution, you will see why you were wrong.

i'm sorry but I don't follow. zl nth really does exactly what you  
want...send a list of index and new value in the right inlet, list you  
wish to alter in the left, and you have the exact solution you were  
asking for. the patch earlier in this thread does exactly the same  
thing yours does. in fact the help patch for zl does exactly the same  
thing your patch does...with only 2 objects (see subpatch in help  
called more...).

>
> Quote: robtherich wrote on Sat, 08 March 2008 10:11
> ----------------------------------------------------
>> what!?  it does *exactly* what you specified.
>> did you even look at the posted patch?
>
> Rob,
>
> Here's the solution I was trying to avoid.
> If you go back and re-read my post, think about it, and look at the  
> solution, you will see why you were wrong.
>
> - G
>
> listrep.pat:
> 


> If you go back and re-read my post, think about it, and look at the solution, you will see why you were wrong.

Glot. it is not mine or anybody else's job to think about the implicit message in your post. you asked for something very specific, and a solution was provided which addressed your needs as described in your post. if the solution was not satisfactory, then my advice to you would be to thank the person who offered the solution, and then describe why it doesn't work.

otherwise good luck getting any help in the forum with the attitude you've exhibited so far.

> Rob,
>
> Here's the solution I was trying to avoid.
> If you go back and re-read my post, think about it, and look at the solution, you will see why you were wrong.

Glot.  it is not mine or anybody else's job to think about the implicit message in your post.  you asked for something very specific, and a solution was provided which addressed your needs as described in your post.  if the solution was not satisfactory, then my advice to you would be to thank the person who offered the solution, and then describe why it doesn't work.
otherwise good luck getting any help in the forum with the attitude you've exhibited so far.

Quote: robtherich wrote on Sat, 08 March 2008 14:35

> > Here's the solution I was trying to avoid.

who offered the solution, and then describe why it doesn't work.

> otherwise good luck getting any help in the forum with the attitude you've exhibited so far.

1) didn't think through the issues of zl nth clearly

I described explicitly the required behaviour, but your definition of "exact" means "vaguely similar."

There was a missing wire in the patch I posted due to trying to format it for the forum to not use third party objects. I've updated it to provide an "*exactly*" demonstration to show why you are wrong and unfamiliar with zl nth.

I have outlined the order that you need to press the buttons in. Follow the 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 comments and click them in that order.

Try the example, become more familiar and learn a bit about zl nth, then re-read my post and then you'll get it and see that my description was explicit.

Quote: robtherich wrote on Sat, 08 March 2008 14:35
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> > Rob,
> >
> > Here's the solution I was trying to avoid.
 who offered the solution, and then describe why it doesn't work.
> otherwise good luck getting any help in the forum with the attitude you've exhibited so far.
>
etc blah blah

You
1) didn't think through the issues of zl nth clearly
2) aren't familiar with the zl object
3) didn't read my post

For what it's worth, I understand the difference between the two 

examples in your patch. Yours retains the first changes made when 

making the second changes, the other example does not.

What I'm having trouble understanding is your hostile attitude to 

someone who tried to help. It would have been very simple, not to 

mention courteous, to simply explain where the provided patch didn't 

meet your needs and thank him for his attempt anyway, right in the 

first reply. The rest just seems both needless and counter-productive 

I like the fact that this list is here, and that folks enjoy trying 

to help each other out. Let's try and keep it that way, please.

> 1) didn't think through the issues of zl nth clearly

> I described explicitly the required behaviour, but your definition 

> There was a missing wire in the patch I posted due to trying to 

> format it for the forum to not use third party objects. I've 

> updated it to provide an "*exactly*" demonstration to show why you 

> I have outlined the order that you need to press the buttons in. 

> Follow the 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 comments and click them in that order.

> Try the example, become more familiar and learn a bit about zl nth, 

> then re-read my post and then you'll get it and see that my 

For what it's worth, I understand the difference between the two  
examples in your patch. Yours retains the first changes made when  
making the second changes, the other example does not.

What I'm having trouble understanding is your hostile attitude to  
someone who tried to help. It would have been very simple, not to  
mention courteous, to simply explain where the provided patch didn't  
meet your needs and thank him for his attempt anyway, right in the  
first reply. The rest just seems both needless and counter-productive  
to me.

I like the fact that this list is here, and that folks enjoy trying  
to help each other out. Let's try and keep it that way, please.

>
> You
> 1) didn't think through the issues of zl nth clearly
> 2) aren't familiar with the zl object
> 3) didn't read my post
>
> I described explicitly the required behaviour, but your definition  
> of "exact" means "vaguely similar."
>
> There was a missing wire in the patch I posted due to trying to  
> format it for the forum to not use third party objects. I've  
> updated it to provide an "*exactly*" demonstration to show why you  
> are wrong and unfamiliar with zl nth.
>
> I have outlined the order that you need to press the buttons in.  
> Follow the 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 comments and click them in that order.
>
> Try the example, become more familiar and learn a bit about zl nth,  
> then re-read my post and then you'll get it and see that my  
> description was explicit.

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This one is for the courteous ones - others... please don't copy it.

Quote: Manuel Poletti wrote on Sat, 08 March 2008 15:44

> This one is for the courteous ones - others... please don't copy it.

This example doesn't remember the changes.

Quote: Manuel Poletti wrote on Sat, 08 March 2008 15:44
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> This one is for the courteous ones - others... please don't copy it.
>

This example doesn't remember the changes.


> This example doesn't remember the changes.

On my machine (MacBook Pro, OSX 10.4.11, MaxMSP 4.6.3), the results 

of Manuel's patch are identical to the results of yours when I follow 

the numbered steps in each case. How do your results differ, or what 

steps other than the specified numbers produce different results?

> Quote: Manuel Poletti wrote on Sat, 08 March 2008 15:44

>> This one is for the courteous ones - others... please don't copy it.

On my machine (MacBook Pro, OSX 10.4.11, MaxMSP 4.6.3), the results  
of Manuel's patch are identical to the results of yours when I follow  
the numbered steps in each case. How do your results differ, or what  
steps other than the specified numbers produce different results?

>
> Quote: Manuel Poletti wrote on Sat, 08 March 2008 15:44
> ----------------------------------------------------
>> This one is for the courteous ones - others... please don't copy it.
>>
>
> Manuel,
>
> This example doesn't remember the changes.

three objects: "t b l", "zl nth", "zl reg"

>
> Quote: Manuel Poletti wrote on Sat, 08 March 2008 15:44
> ----------------------------------------------------
>> This one is for the courteous ones - others... please don't copy it.
>>
>
> Manuel,
>
> This example doesn't remember the changes.
>
>


OK, what am I missing? I see the change in the subpatch routing, but 

once again the results are identical to your previous one and 

OK, what am I missing? I see the change in the subpatch routing, but  
once again the results are identical to your previous one and  
Manuel's as far as I can tell.

>
> Manuel,
>
> a fix to your patch posted,

If you press it in the order 1, 2, 4, 5... leaving out step 3 (the bang in between), then the changes (777 being put into position 3) are lost.

I just wanted to let you know that after reading this thread, I personally don't feel like ever trying to help you in any way.

I hope you realize that by acting so ungrateful, hostile, arrogant and downright rude you efficiently convinced many of the hundreds of knowledgeable, helpful and above all _friendly_ people on this list to further ignore you.

Good luck with your issues - I don't mean the Max ones.

Quote: kjg wrote on Sat, 08 March 2008 17:41

> I just wanted to let you know that after reading this thread, I personally don't feel like ever trying to help you in any way.

> I hope you realize that by acting so ungrateful, hostile, arrogant and downright rude you efficiently convinced many of the hundreds of knowledgeable, helpful and above all _friendly_ people on this list to further ignore you.

> Good luck with your issues - I don't mean the Max ones.

Quote: kjg wrote on Sat, 08 March 2008 17:41
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> Glot,
>
> I just wanted to let you know that after reading this thread, I personally don't feel like ever trying to help you in any way.
>
> I hope you realize that by acting so ungrateful, hostile, arrogant and downright rude you efficiently convinced many of the hundreds of knowledgeable, helpful and above all _friendly_ people on this list to further ignore you.
>
> Good luck with your issues - I don't mean the Max ones.
>
> kjg
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Got it, thanks. See what I get for following directions...

> If you press it in the order 1, 2, 4, 5... leaving out step 3 (the 

> bang in between), then the changes (777 being put into position 3) 

>
> Steven,
>
> If you press it in the order 1, 2, 4, 5... leaving out step 3 (the  
> bang in between), then the changes (777 being put into position 3)  
> are lost.
>
> - G

> I just wanted to let you know that after reading this thread, I personally

> don't feel like ever trying to help you in any way.

> I hope you realize that by acting so ungrateful, hostile, arrogant and

> downright rude you efficiently convinced many of the hundreds of

> knowledgeable, helpful and above all _friendly_ people on this list to

On 09/03/2008, Klaas-Jan Govaart  wrote:
>
>
> Glot,
>
> I just wanted to let you know that after reading this thread, I personally
> don't feel like ever trying to help you in any way.
>
> I hope you realize that by acting so ungrateful, hostile, arrogant and
> downright rude you efficiently convinced many of the hundreds of
> knowledgeable, helpful and above all _friendly_ people on this list to
> further ignore you.
>
> Good luck with your issues - I don't mean the Max ones.
>
>
> kjg
>
>

I guess I still don't understand the hostility. It makes no sense to 

me to intentionally antagonize people who you have asked for help. 

What's the point of asking for help and then being ungrateful and 

> Quote: kjg wrote on Sat, 08 March 2008 17:41

>> I just wanted to let you know that after reading this thread, I 

>> personally don't feel like ever trying to help you in any way.

>> I hope you realize that by acting so ungrateful, hostile, arrogant 

>> and downright rude you efficiently convinced many of the hundreds 

>> of knowledgeable, helpful and above all _friendly_ people on this 

>> Good luck with your issues - I don't mean the Max ones.

I guess I still don't understand the hostility. It makes no sense to  
me to intentionally antagonize people who you have asked for help.  
What's the point of asking for help and then being ungrateful and  
rude in return?

>
> Quote: kjg wrote on Sat, 08 March 2008 17:41
> ----------------------------------------------------
>> Glot,
>>
>> I just wanted to let you know that after reading this thread, I  
>> personally don't feel like ever trying to help you in any way.
>>
>> I hope you realize that by acting so ungrateful, hostile, arrogant  
>> and downright rude you efficiently convinced many of the hundreds  
>> of knowledgeable, helpful and above all _friendly_ people on this  
>> list to further ignore you.
>>
>> Good luck with your issues - I don't mean the Max ones.
>>
>> kjg
> ----------------------------------------------------
>
> Too bad for me, rofl

> I guess I still don't understand the hostility.

You're not alone. I don't understand it either.

However, it might be easier to understand once you realize that "Glot" 

is actually the troll formerly known as "Zola".

I want everyone to remember that the best policy here is to not feed 

trolls. If anyone finds Glot/Zola's behavior unappealing, please don't 

post your disapproval, because honestly, trolls thrive on you posting 

However, it might be easier to understand once you realize that "Glot" 
is actually the troll formerly known as "Zola".

I want everyone to remember that the best policy here is to not feed 
trolls. If anyone finds Glot/Zola's behavior unappealing, please don't 
post your disapproval, because honestly, trolls thrive on you posting 
your disapproval. Just ignore them.

On a practical level, however, it's not so easy. Trolls rarely 

announce themselves as such with the first post. It usually takes a 

few posts to ferret out the weasels, meaning they've usually already 

been fed at least a few scraps before they can be identified. Oh 

well, file it under 'imperfect world' and carry on...

On Mar 10, 2008, at 2:50 PM, Wallace Winfrey wrote:

>> I guess I still don't understand the hostility.

> You're not alone. I don't understand it either.

> However, it might be easier to understand once you realize that 

> "Glot" is actually the troll formerly known as "Zola".

> I want everyone to remember that the best policy here is to not 

> feed trolls. If anyone finds Glot/Zola's behavior unappealing, 

> please don't post your disapproval, because honestly, trolls thrive 

> on you posting your disapproval. Just ignore them.

On a practical level, however, it's not so easy. Trolls rarely  
announce themselves as such with the first post. It usually takes a  
few posts to ferret out the weasels, meaning they've usually already  
been fed at least a few scraps before they can be identified. Oh  
well, file it under 'imperfect world' and carry on...

> Steven Miller wrote:
>
>> I guess I still don't understand the hostility.
>
> You're not alone. I don't understand it either.
>
> However, it might be easier to understand once you realize that  
> "Glot" is actually the troll formerly known as "Zola".
>
> I want everyone to remember that the best policy here is to not  
> feed trolls. If anyone finds Glot/Zola's behavior unappealing,  
> please don't post your disapproval, because honestly, trolls thrive  
> on you posting your disapproval. Just ignore them.

> ...it might be easier to understand once you realize that "Glot" 

> is actually the troll formerly known as "Zola".

> ...it might be easier to understand once you realize that "Glot" 
> is actually the troll formerly known as "Zola".

this is me
http://www.caveyourtrolls.com/img3.jpg


> On a practical level, however, it's not so easy. Trolls rarely announce 

> themselves as such with the first post.

But on the second it is fine enough, because the first answer will be 

still helpful for non-trolls as it was in this case...

Steven Miller schrieb:
> Wallace,
>
> The policy makes sense to me.
>
> On a practical level, however, it's not so easy. Trolls rarely announce 
> themselves as such with the first post.

But on the second it is fine enough, because the first answer will be 
still helpful for non-trolls as it was in this case...

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list in right inlet, index newval in left inlet?