Gary Lee Nelson

I always roll my eyes when someone mentions a max feature they've found or

noticed and someone else replies "Oh, that's been there since version x.x.x"

I've used Balsamic vinegar forever but only recently learned of the thick

expensive version that is fantastic on ice cream. It wouldn't do me much

good to hear now that Cleopatra knew about when Pete was a pup. At least it

was in the vinegar section of my local Italian grocery.

My point? The help folder for listpackage and a lot of other useful things

that are new to me is deep in the cycling '74 folder. I try to be aware of

what's available and one of the things I do regularly is skim the help

folder. I always find something new or useful but I would have never run

across listpackage. I'm a packrat but I am pretty sure I didn't download

and install myself so it must have come with max. It isn't in the manual

either. Can we agree as a standard that help files and folder belong in

I always roll my eyes when someone mentions a max feature they've found or
noticed and someone else replies "Oh, that's been there since version x.x.x"

I've used Balsamic vinegar forever but only recently learned of the thick
expensive version that is fantastic on ice cream.  It wouldn't do me much
good to hear now that Cleopatra knew about when Pete was a pup.  At least it
was in the vinegar section of my local Italian grocery.

My point?  The help folder for listpackage and a lot of other useful things
that are new to me is deep in the cycling '74 folder.  I try to be aware of
what's available and one of the things I do regularly is skim the help
folder.  I always find something new or useful but I would have never run
across listpackage.  I'm a packrat but I am pretty sure I didn't download
and install myself so it must have come with max. It isn't in the manual
either.  Can we agree as a standard that help files and folder belong in
max-help?

Cheers,
Gary Lee Nelson
TIMARA Department
Oberlin College
www.timara.oberlin.edu/GaryLeeNelson


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On 11 May 2006, at 14:45, Gary Lee Nelson wrote:

> I've used Balsamic vinegar forever but only recently learned of the 

> expensive version that is fantastic on ice cream.

Try mixing some into creme fraiche and serving it with barbecued 

(Especially in the UK today, where it's stonking hot)

> My point? The help folder for listpackage and a lot of other 

> that are new to me is deep in the cycling '74 folder.

etc. i second this - I only found this set of objects because one of 

them was in a patch that someone posted earlier this week. The help 

file briefly explains their functions, but nothing else (I suppose 

this info might be in the docs somewhere, but i couldn't find 

anything). Mind you, to be fair to the guys at C74, there's a _heck_ 

of a lot of new stuff in Max, perhaps they just didn't get round to 

this yet? And I haven't read through the latest versions of the docs 

Hm. Repetition teaches, as antiorp used to say.

>
> I've used Balsamic vinegar forever but only recently learned of the  
> thick
> expensive version that is fantastic on ice cream.

Try mixing some into creme fraiche and serving it with barbecued  
bananas. Hmmmmmmm.
(Especially in the UK today, where it's stonking hot)

>
> My point?  The help folder for listpackage and a lot of other  
> useful things
> that are new to me is deep in the cycling '74 folder.

etc. i second this - I only found this set of objects because one of  
them was in a patch that someone posted earlier this week. The help  
file briefly explains their functions, but nothing else (I suppose  
this info might be in the docs somewhere, but i couldn't find  
anything). Mind you, to be fair to the guys at C74, there's a _heck_  
of a lot of new stuff in Max, perhaps they just didn't get round to  
this yet? And I haven't read through the latest versions of the docs  
yet  :-)
>
> I've used Balsamic vinegar forever but only recently learned of the  
> thick
> expensive version that is fantastic on ice cream.

Actually there is a lot about this in various java folders. Some nice

tutorial info that finally jarred me into looking at writing mxj.

I wasn't complaining about Cycling '74. I know what these guys are doing.

Actually there is a lot about this in various java folders.  Some nice
tutorial info that finally jarred me into looking at writing mxj.

I wasn't complaining about Cycling '74.  I know what these guys are doing.

Sorry about the rep. I cut when I should have dragged. :-)

This reminds me of some software I wrote in APL as a front end to csound.

In addressing the issue of repetition in music, I made it more difficult to

Sorry about the rep.  I cut when I should have dragged.  :-)
This reminds me of some software I wrote in APL as a front end to csound.
In addressing the issue of repetition in music, I made it more difficult to
repeat things than to vary.

I know the details of this belong in java-dev but just a note to general Max

users. Lists are GREAT. I've used Peter Elsea's Lobjects for years and

before that those of James McVartney that have been reincarnated as methods

of the zl object. Vexpr is also very useful along with the ones from

OpenDragon. My latest "discovery" is the mxj list package. They are a bit

hidden in the Cycling '74 folder but they are well worth tracking down. The

package includes help files for most of the objects. The java folder also

Best of all is that the list package is in java so you can see the source.

I was able to use that source to create a few more similar objects. I had

been staying away from java because I didn't have time to get into Xcode or

back into CodeWarrior. My unix chops are so long gone that opening the

Terminal causes a memory freeze - mine. But mxj quickie works great!

You'll have to learn java but it is no longer a monumental task to make your

I know the details of this belong in java-dev but just a note to general Max
users.  Lists are GREAT.  I've used Peter Elsea's Lobjects for years and
before that those of James McVartney that have been reincarnated as methods
of the zl object.  Vexpr is also very useful along with the ones from
OpenDragon.  My latest "discovery" is the mxj list package.  They are a bit
hidden in the Cycling '74 folder but they are well worth tracking down. The
package includes help files for most of the objects.  The java folder also
includes a few other gems.

Best of all is that the list package is in java so you can see the source.
I was able to use that source to create a few more similar objects.  I had
been staying away from java because I didn't have time to get into Xcode or
back into CodeWarrior.  My unix chops are so long gone that opening the
Terminal causes a memory freeze - mine.  But mxj quickie works great!
You'll have to learn java but it is no longer a monumental task to make your
own simple externals.

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