Live 9 clicks on tempo changes

Oct 14, 2013 at 11:48am

Live 9 clicks on tempo changes

Hi,
I have big problems using Live 9 together with some M4L Devices and tempo changes. A Sampler playing back some midinotes plays just fine before and after a tempo ramp. During the ramp I listen to glitches and clicks. CPU goes up, too (significant change). I admit, that I often use CPU “heavy” sets, but the behavior starts at about 10% CPU, which should be absolutely no problem.

Maybe someone here experienced this, too? Or do you have any tips?

A strange thing is, that the glitches/noises aren’t recorded, they only occur during playback.
I tested with 32/64 Bit release (9.0.6) and beta versions, with many different audio interfaces (internal, Firewire, USB) – but always the same.

Could you try the attached set to reproduce the behavior? I would be very thankful to know, if there is something wrong with my MBP/System (OSX10.8.5) or if it’s a bug, which occurs also on other machines (I’m already in touch with cycling and Ableton support, but with ambiguous/unclear results).

Thank you, Martin

#268038
Oct 15, 2013 at 3:02am

I just downloaded your files and tested them out, even with a buffer size of 128 samples there are no clicks and pops. so I think its your buffer size settings, to try it out put the buffer size for your soundcard on 2048 samples. Having an external soundcard is a must with heavy sets.
I use osX 10.6.8 with a presonus firestudio card. Live.9.05.
Soi its not a bug.
Stick with 32 bit (thats what i used) 64 bit is still flakey with other VSTS and so on..
Also disable all the inputs and outputs you don’t use with your soundcard.
Try it with all external usb devices not connected as well.
Hope this helps

#268095
Oct 15, 2013 at 9:44am

I’m not saying you’re wrong, Andro, but you are using a different version of live than Martin is; it *could* theoretically still be the issue.

#268121
Oct 15, 2013 at 10:51am

Hi Andro, hi Wetterberg,
thank you very much for testing!
My standard interface is a fireface 400 (I installed newest firmware and drivers). So I use an external soundcard already. I tried different buffersize settings, too – it sounds better with a higher setting, but should work also with a lower setting. E.g. with 64 bit it doesn’t click, when the tempo change is over. Today I tried my set on another machine running OSX 10.8.2 with Live 9.05 64 Bit without any problems!
That’s why I believe now, that this problem is OS related. I personally run the newest OSX (10.8.5) and I experience these issue since a while, maybe since 10.8.4.
That would explain, that Ableton support couldn’t reproduce it (maybe they use another version), but cycling74 support could reproduce it at the end with the 32 bit Version of Live 9(!). You, Andro couldn’t reproduce it with 32 Bit – quite confusing. I shall ask them, which OS versions they use and post it back here.
So thanks again,
Martin

#268143
Oct 15, 2013 at 3:00pm

Cycling74 support uses 10.8.5, too. So it seems to have nothing to do with different OS versions.
The initial point for my support request to cycling74 were problems with the line~ object, which definitely has a bug on tempo changes. It puts out bangs on the right outlet without any purpose. This seems to trigger CPU spikes and could lead to the clicks (even, if the bangs are filtered). This was introduced in Max 6.1.3 (I’m not totally sure). Cycling takes a look on it and I hope, that this is the main reason for this issue. In my dummy-set in the original post I included lots of dummy devices with line~.

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